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Diet and hypothyroidism

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Created November 26, 2011 at 7:30 AM

As far as diet goes, what are the biggest impactors on the thyroid? Specifically the causes of hypothyroidism?

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on February 17, 2012
at 07:06 PM

Though I now gotta say, I don't agree with this statement at all. There's so much more...

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on December 22, 2011
at 03:01 PM

Your pulse and body temp are low and your hypothyroid? Seems like it works pretty good. I didn't say it was the only way or most accurate, just the easiest way to indicate thyroid function. I believe a achilles reflex test is the best for accurately testing thyroid.

164ed7cd8d84c926bc66f366619bf853

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on December 22, 2011
at 02:58 PM

BPM & Body temp are individual. I have hypothyroid have a low body temp & my bpm is about 66 - but I'm a runner.

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on December 22, 2011
at 02:58 PM

BPM & Body temp are individual. I have hypothyroid have a low boy temp & my bpm is about 66 - but I'm a runner.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on December 22, 2011
at 02:08 PM

If you don't eat seafood it's extremely easy to be iodine-deficient, cliff.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 22, 2011
at 01:25 PM

I agree- I also switched last summer and feel much better than when I was on synthetic Eltroxin.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on November 28, 2011
at 04:42 PM

Lots of people fit the description you describe Alexandra and die mysteriously of a heart attack like "real healthy" people suddenly just dropping dead. Great energy is very subjective and normal body fat doesn't mean much. Dry skin and hair falling out are just 2 symptoms you could be mild hypothyroid and not even realize it. Doctors aren't there to help you. I think body temp is one of the best indicators of thyroid and health.

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on November 28, 2011
at 03:55 PM

Bear in mind that Peat's plan is not some holy grail to prevent hypothyroidism. He himself takes thyroid hormone. In one interview at Shomon's thyroid support site he advocates "nibbling" on a cytomel throughout the day. His diet may encourage the conversion of T4 to T3 and could prevent malnutrition related hypothyroidism, but guzzling milk and orange juice or eating copious amounts of sweet fruit etc is not some magic cure for true hypothyroidism.

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on November 28, 2011
at 03:51 PM

If my body temp was lower than the so-called ideal and I had great energy and normal body fat and no clinical signs of hypothyroid such as dry skin, falling hair etc, I doubt any doc would prescribe thyroid hormone. I would not use low temp alone, in isolation of other signs, as a reason to add carbs.

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on November 28, 2011
at 03:49 PM

I thought Rosedale's latest response explains that his plan causes the body to run "cooler" but more efficientl and that in his view, it does not create a true hypothyroid condition.

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

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on November 28, 2011
at 03:34 PM

Rosedale defeats himself with regards his argument to longevity in his latest post. The body needs glucose to turn T4 into T3, very high fat keto diets are basically starvation diets without the hunger, hence a reduction in T3 to preserve lean mass as much as possible. Of course, the body needs glucose so will eventually get some from lean mass if there's not enough in the diet.

76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

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on November 28, 2011
at 03:29 PM

I don't think spinach is a cruciferous veggie. Good answer though.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on November 26, 2011
at 06:36 PM

its actually provbably easier to take in to much iodine negatively impacting thyroid.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on November 26, 2011
at 06:35 PM

Iodine is a pretty much a non issue for people in developed countries

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on November 26, 2011
at 06:33 PM

broda barnes also says temperature is the only accurate way to measure thyroid as the blood tests for thyroid don't really tell much unless you are in a state of severe hypothyroidism. Rosedale dieters are hypothyroid they even admit this, low carb diets down regulates t3. They think that's good....

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on November 26, 2011
at 04:36 PM

I think the body temp test may provide some useful information about metabolism but it alone is by no means a definitive test for hypothyroidism. The late great Broda Barnes wrote that some people never achieve so-called normal body temp despite adequate thyroid hormone replacement. Rosedale diet followers achieve lower temps without hypothyroidism. Hormones and mental state during testing also affect the temperature.

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at 07:48 AM

"wheat, soy, and other autoimmune-promoting or goitrogenic toxins" source: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=2998

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Cdee7454bccdc4ac14ec23b9657eb573

on November 26, 2011
at 02:59 PM

The diet with the largest impact on the thyroid would be an iodine-deficient diet.

-Steve

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 26, 2011
at 06:36 PM

its actually provbably easier to take in to much iodine negatively impacting thyroid.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 26, 2011
at 06:35 PM

Iodine is a pretty much a non issue for people in developed countries

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on December 22, 2011
at 02:08 PM

If you don't eat seafood it's extremely easy to be iodine-deficient, cliff.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on February 17, 2012
at 07:06 PM

Though I now gotta say, I don't agree with this statement at all. There's so much more...

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2433de50007b0b9a4ccfcd1a787c1581

on December 22, 2011
at 08:04 PM

Here's my anecdotal evidence on the diet/hypothyroid connection:

In 2005, I retired from the military, a healthy 39 yo male, 5'11, 200lbs. On no medicine. By 2007 I was 240lbs, on meds for high BP, high trigs, hypothyroid and gout. My diet was total crap and I didn't exercise. I was stressed out from moves and career changes, I had sleep apnea and just started using a CPAP. In 2010, doc said I was diabetic and needed more meds. I said "NO WAY". I found Mark's Daily Apple and the Primal Blueprint exactly 1 year ago today. Full on paleo/primal by Feb 2011. By May, I was down to 185--my bp, trigs, gout all cured--off those meds. Doc said "Synthroid is for life, my boy!"

In 2006, my TSH was 40. They treated me with Synthroid in varying doses until it got down to 2. After I started paleo eating, my TSH was always .55 (low end of normal). Doc said "this is good, it's because of the Synthroid--not your silly new diet".

June 2011 I quit taking my Synthroid. I had my TSH tested in Sept and it was 2.55 (mid-range normal). Tested it two weeks ago and it was 2.00.

Now, I was never diagnosed with Hashimotos or tested for Thyroid antibodies. When I would ask the doc why my thyroid wasn't working, he'd say, "sometimes they just don't".

I think that once I got my weight under control, fixed my sleep, and reduced my stress--my TSH returned to normal. I don't think there was ever anything wrong with my thyroid, just a bunch of metabolic derangement that caused high TSH.

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27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on November 28, 2011
at 05:59 PM

@ Cliff:

We're all dying of something. I realize there are more indications of low thyroid than the few I mentioned. I agree that low body temp can be a sign of it but it is by no means definitive when taken in isolation. Other health conditions, hormonal status, seasons,sex, and emotional state amont other factors can also affect body temp. If you choose to believe that everyone with less than the so-called normal body temp at all times is hypothyroid, that's your choice. I disagree. Here's some interesting info on the so-called normal body temp and factors affecting it:

http://www.anaturalhealingcenter.com/documents/Thorne/articles/bodytemp.pdf

http://www.anaturalhealingcenter.com/documents/Thorne/articles/BodyTemp12-1.pdf

Getting back to the actual original question which had to do with diet and it's impact on thyroid -- from my own personal experience as someone with hypothyroidism who takes medication and who gets labs taken regularly to monitor thyroid levels and antibodies -- I think each person's susceptibility to goitregens and to iodine vary. No difference in how I feel from eating lots of steamed goitrogens, tea (all varieties, cocoa, raw nuts in general. Foods that have made a difference -- a negative one -- are soy, dairy, wheat, raw walnuts in excess (I love them but have to eat these in moderation -- raw almonds on the other hand, also a goitrogen don't have the same impact) and too much iodine. I love seaweed but overdoing kelp or Lugol's has a negative impact. I think most important universal diet tip for thyroid health is adequate protein -- not high --- but adequate from a variety of organic sources -- seafood, pastured eggs, grassfed animal flesh and organs. For autoimmune (Hashis/Graves) or overweight non Hashi hypos, avoiding wheat and legumes seems helpful. From the many women I know with hypothyroidism who are also overweight, they appear to all be addicted to wheat. Just a personal observation for what it's worth.

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76c885d7d27e6c83542ea493ca866dcd

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on November 28, 2011
at 01:34 PM

I don't know if particular foods cause hypothyroidism, but I do have hypo and based on research I've done, I stay away from cruciferous veggies -- spinach, cabbage, brussels sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, etc. Apparently they have a negative effect on thyroid function when eaten raw, but cooked they're fine. I don't think that eating these things raw has any effect on people with normal-functioning thyroids.

76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

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on November 28, 2011
at 03:29 PM

I don't think spinach is a cruciferous veggie. Good answer though.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on November 26, 2011
at 01:24 PM

According to ray peat who has studied the subject for decades the biggest impactors on thyroid are PUFAs, stress and certain amino acids(methinone, trytophan, cysteine). Estrogenic foods like soy and certain vegetables are problematic as well. Not getting enough nutrition is very anti-thyroid too.

Ray also thinks that burning free fatty acids is very stressful therefore anti-thyroid so he recommends enough sugar to keep liver glycogen full, sugar in my experience has the biggest impact on thyroid as its very pro-thyroid.

A very easy way to test for hypothyroidism is body temp, you want it to be ~97.7 upon waking and 98.6 after you eat your first meal. You want your pulse around 80-90 bpms as well, high pulse+high temp could indicate adrenal stress. You can use these numbers in combination with diet to see what lowers and raises your thyroid.

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

(1590)

on November 28, 2011
at 03:34 PM

Rosedale defeats himself with regards his argument to longevity in his latest post. The body needs glucose to turn T4 into T3, very high fat keto diets are basically starvation diets without the hunger, hence a reduction in T3 to preserve lean mass as much as possible. Of course, the body needs glucose so will eventually get some from lean mass if there's not enough in the diet.

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

(1880)

on November 28, 2011
at 03:49 PM

I thought Rosedale's latest response explains that his plan causes the body to run "cooler" but more efficientl and that in his view, it does not create a true hypothyroid condition.

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

(1880)

on November 26, 2011
at 04:36 PM

I think the body temp test may provide some useful information about metabolism but it alone is by no means a definitive test for hypothyroidism. The late great Broda Barnes wrote that some people never achieve so-called normal body temp despite adequate thyroid hormone replacement. Rosedale diet followers achieve lower temps without hypothyroidism. Hormones and mental state during testing also affect the temperature.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 26, 2011
at 06:33 PM

broda barnes also says temperature is the only accurate way to measure thyroid as the blood tests for thyroid don't really tell much unless you are in a state of severe hypothyroidism. Rosedale dieters are hypothyroid they even admit this, low carb diets down regulates t3. They think that's good....

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

(1880)

on November 28, 2011
at 03:51 PM

If my body temp was lower than the so-called ideal and I had great energy and normal body fat and no clinical signs of hypothyroid such as dry skin, falling hair etc, I doubt any doc would prescribe thyroid hormone. I would not use low temp alone, in isolation of other signs, as a reason to add carbs.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 28, 2011
at 04:42 PM

Lots of people fit the description you describe Alexandra and die mysteriously of a heart attack like "real healthy" people suddenly just dropping dead. Great energy is very subjective and normal body fat doesn't mean much. Dry skin and hair falling out are just 2 symptoms you could be mild hypothyroid and not even realize it. Doctors aren't there to help you. I think body temp is one of the best indicators of thyroid and health.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on December 22, 2011
at 03:01 PM

Your pulse and body temp are low and your hypothyroid? Seems like it works pretty good. I didn't say it was the only way or most accurate, just the easiest way to indicate thyroid function. I believe a achilles reflex test is the best for accurately testing thyroid.

164ed7cd8d84c926bc66f366619bf853

(495)

on December 22, 2011
at 02:58 PM

BPM & Body temp are individual. I have hypothyroid have a low boy temp & my bpm is about 66 - but I'm a runner.

164ed7cd8d84c926bc66f366619bf853

(495)

on December 22, 2011
at 02:58 PM

BPM & Body temp are individual. I have hypothyroid have a low body temp & my bpm is about 66 - but I'm a runner.

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D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

(1590)

on November 28, 2011
at 03:36 PM

Avoid toxic foods (wheat, soy etc) and listen to Ray Peat (although I'm still not convinced of fructose over starch...). :-)

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

(1880)

on November 28, 2011
at 03:55 PM

Bear in mind that Peat's plan is not some holy grail to prevent hypothyroidism. He himself takes thyroid hormone. In one interview at Shomon's thyroid support site he advocates "nibbling" on a cytomel throughout the day. His diet may encourage the conversion of T4 to T3 and could prevent malnutrition related hypothyroidism, but guzzling milk and orange juice or eating copious amounts of sweet fruit etc is not some magic cure for true hypothyroidism.

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7f7c9c51253d8d4c8a643a429b3a56d2

on May 23, 2013
at 09:39 PM

To reduce the symptoms of hypothyroidism and also to keep your weight in check, you should eat a diet that is high in fibers. Fresh fruits and green leafy vegetables are high in minerals and fibers, so eat them regularly.

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Ee4ae94858215558c7323546d741c078

on December 22, 2011
at 01:20 PM

For the last three years, I have suffered symptoms of hypothyroidism then someone recommended natural thyroid supplements and I tried it as soon as possible. After few weeks I felt the incredible changes in my body. I’m so happy.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on December 22, 2011
at 01:25 PM

I agree- I also switched last summer and feel much better than when I was on synthetic Eltroxin.

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E483b97d55d606c6205f5b46a221dca8

on December 14, 2011
at 10:18 AM

Hypothyroidism is a thyroid disorder caused due to the insufficient production of thyroid hormones. However, with the help of healthy diet and thyroid supplements, the condition can be controlled easily. Food like sea fish, meat, yogurt, wheat germ, oyster, herbal, tea, green tea are beneficial for dealing with hypothyroidism.

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