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Did anyone lose weight on medium to high carb paleo?

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Created September 27, 2012 at 1:30 AM

There is a lot of information that while low carb helps to lose weight rapidly at first, many people (not all) face side effects and it stops working after a while.

This what happened to me. Now, for the healthy and fit individual safe carbs shouldn't be a problem, but I have around 20 kg to lose, my metabolism is deranged since childhood.

Seems like low carbing or fasting is not an option for me. I tried both (even fasting for two weeks on water). It all works for a short time, but causes a lot of stress not providing long term results.

So I am willing to try new strategy by reintroducing safe carbs. Main point is no gluten, refined carbs and vegetable oils. With this diet getting healthy and more energetic is a first step, weight loss hopefully will follow (maybe not as fast as with low carb, but it might be more stable).

What do you think? Did anyone had experience eating medium to high carb and losing weight?

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

High carb can totes be paleo, dawg! Personally, I do better with more carbs rather than less. Of course, I don't infer from my personal experience that everyone else would feel better eating like I do =)

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at 04:45 PM

I can sympathize with you on this. Low carb for me = no fat loss. Intermittent Fasting = stress on my body leading to overtraining and fat gain around my middle. Moderate carb with 3 meals a day and a snack if I get hungry...fat loss. Feelin' good. It must be how I'm wired. (I'm a 34 year old female.)

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on September 30, 2012
at 01:26 PM

In our detox, 30 day phase we avoided white potatoes but ate sweet potatoes around twice a week. And no, to the grains. I haven't done enough research on alternative grains to consider any of them safe at this point. :)

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at 05:28 AM

Ha! Me too Lindsay- low carb was a very bad diet for me as well... ultimately gained weight, felt horrible and sent my hormones into a tailspin. Now I eat 200+ grams of carbs and am so much happier.

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I think what you are feeling is very natural. From what I know, if you don't need to lose weight, you can have up to 150 carb grams per day which is plenty for some starchy things. If you want to lose weight, you have to limit your carbs to 70 - 90. Which still gives you plenty of rooms for starchy things.

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on September 28, 2012
at 12:42 AM

The problem is that only protein/fat/vegetable food doesn't feel right to me. I tried it for a while but I get reflux one hour after it and felts some anxiety. On the other hand when I add some carbs into the mix, I feel like that food is balanced.

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at 09:25 PM

We could say the same thing about *most* of the lower-carb veggies and plenty of different fruits...not so much the GI, but the GL -- how *much* of a food would you have to consume in order for it to throw your blood glucose out of whack.

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Good call on glycemic *load*, Jamie. I can laugh at myself now as I look back on it, but I went a very long time avoiding carrots b/c of their glycemic index. For cryin' out loud... Now I have plenty of carrots and have discovered the insane deliciousness of beets. YUM. (Don't get me started on my obese, diabetic mother who swears she has to avoid beets "because of the sugar," while she starts every morning with a big glass of prune juice! Gaaah!

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Interesting. If I replaced "high carb" with "low carb" in your second sentence, Heidi, that would perfectly explain my personal experience with low carb.

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In fact I am not sure GI would even impact glycation, the same amount of glucose is still there, just over more time. Just what the heck use is GI? Seems like an imaginary concept...

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Where is atkins in a loincloth? I thought he was dead ...

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^ This is for weight loss, if you didnt read the question (for weight loss lower carb is superior, even according to studies). Besides, without wheat, its not unreasonable to be under or equal 100 grams carbs, _naturally_, on a whole foods diet without trying, even a few tubers here and there. That makes lower carb perfectly paleo. The ice age is in our evolutionary history (very little plant food of any kind), and we would have went periods of VLC, as well as higher carb, reasonably often dependant on food availability. Saying low carb or medium carb isnt paleo seems very odd to me.

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Insulin resistance is not dependant on glucose spikes. Its simply too much insulin being used overall (not per time slice) ie gyclemic load, not glycemic index. In fact apart from glycation, I am really not sure how useful GI is (I would say probably not much). But IMO, if you were very active, you could still lose weight on 150 grams carbs. Youd just be losing weight via the exercise primarily, not the diet. 150 grams seems more like a maintenaince level for diet alone tho. You might think about more like 100, if you want to lose primarily from diet.

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IDk if thats right, but it seems about right.

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Even eating a tuber a day, and a fair load of low-medium sugar fruit, id still be under 150 grams. Id guess youd need to be like two tubers a day to get up to around 150.

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I personally dont put any faith in glycemic index. Glycemic load is what id pay attention to.

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:28 AM

-1. The Paleo you describe is not paleo in the ancestral sense. It's Atkins in a loincloth.

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This is very interesting Daibreak, thanks for sharing! Did you also consume tubers and "safe" grains (like buckwheat, quinoa, rice)?

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Thanks for answer Heidi! I'm planning to stay in medium range. Feeling hungry all the time shouldn't happen as I'm not going to overeat fast carbs anyway and I'll keep decent amount of fats and proteins.

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Of course billions of people eat over a 100 carbs a day and are not overweight. This is not what I said. I said that it's hard to LOSE weight while feeling satisfied (not hungry) when you eat over 100 or so carbs a day. Lots of people also lose weight on high carb diets, too, but it's hard to do without feeling hungry all the time. The magic in Paleo weight loss is feeling full and satisfied and losing all those crazy cravings. For most of us (not the elite athletes) this comes in the lower medium of low carb range (under 100 grams or so a day).

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Sisson defines medium as 100-150grams, and refers to this as "weight maintenance range" I beleive. because higher amounts are suggested for very active people, if your exercising, I dont see why you couldnt lose weight still. Simply the exclusion of vege oils, and refined sugar should help too.

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at 02:53 AM

Billions of people consume over 100 g carbs per day and are not overweight.

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I consider 150 on the high side personally. I spent 15 years trying to regulate my blood sugar and maintain or lose weight following the Zone Diet and eating between 130 and 160 carbs a day and it just didn't work. I couldn't lose the carb cravings and hypoglycemia problems until this last year, when I went Paleo and dropped under 80 or so carbs a day. That's when the magic started to happen for me!

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Thanks Shelley, I'm aware of possible sugar swings. Shouldn't slow carbs prevent them? I'm also planning to eat potatoes with fat and protein, to slow absorption. No soda with chips :)

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CD, medium is around 150 grams, that's where I'm planning to stay, high has no limits, included it out of curiosity :)

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Beat me to it!! That was my question too! this is where it going to get REAL gray as everyone's opinion of what's medium to high will be different.

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what is your definition of medium to high carb paleo?

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on September 27, 2012
at 02:33 AM

High carbs do not necessarily equal high glycemic index and therefore do not necessarily equal spikes in blood sugar. I have lost 45 pounds on Paleo, eating lots of vegetables, meats, nuts (carbs!), and LOTS of fruit (CARBS!)... (I started on Paleo in February of this year and have lost the weight since then.) Listen to your body. Eat the things it needs. Make sure you load up on the proteins and fats, too, because this is the best fuel for your body but if you want a piece of fruit or an occasional sweet potato or gasp white potato, have one! Moderation in eating whole, natural foods is a cornerstone of Paleo - NOT low carb and NOT lean meat. Additionally, I'd say that if you limit the fruits and nuts, you will be depriving yourself of the important nutrients your body needs to function optimally.

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:40 AM

IDk if thats right, but it seems about right.

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on September 27, 2012
at 04:21 AM

This is very interesting Daibreak, thanks for sharing! Did you also consume tubers and "safe" grains (like buckwheat, quinoa, rice)?

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:37 AM

I personally dont put any faith in glycemic index. Glycemic load is what id pay attention to.

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:39 AM

Even eating a tuber a day, and a fair load of low-medium sugar fruit, id still be under 150 grams. Id guess youd need to be like two tubers a day to get up to around 150.

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:25 PM

We could say the same thing about *most* of the lower-carb veggies and plenty of different fruits...not so much the GI, but the GL -- how *much* of a food would you have to consume in order for it to throw your blood glucose out of whack.

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:24 PM

Good call on glycemic *load*, Jamie. I can laugh at myself now as I look back on it, but I went a very long time avoiding carrots b/c of their glycemic index. For cryin' out loud... Now I have plenty of carrots and have discovered the insane deliciousness of beets. YUM. (Don't get me started on my obese, diabetic mother who swears she has to avoid beets "because of the sugar," while she starts every morning with a big glass of prune juice! Gaaah!

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on September 30, 2012
at 01:26 PM

In our detox, 30 day phase we avoided white potatoes but ate sweet potatoes around twice a week. And no, to the grains. I haven't done enough research on alternative grains to consider any of them safe at this point. :)

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on September 27, 2012
at 02:18 AM

I would like to know as well what you consider to be high carb..I think anything above maybe 75g would be medium and doesn't eating high carb make it..not paleo? high carbs equal high blood sugar spikes and that will mean storing fat and no weight loss..having done...high carbs myself..don't wastes your time. Give up the carbs and embrace the lifestyle and reap the full benefits of it..safe starches do not apply when there is weight to be lost in my humble opinion..you are setting yourself up for failure. As long as your body in burning glucose instead of fat you will have craving, mood swings..etc but become fat adapted and you will really get some where..go for the gold! good luck!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:44 AM

Insulin resistance is not dependant on glucose spikes. Its simply too much insulin being used overall (not per time slice) ie gyclemic load, not glycemic index. In fact apart from glycation, I am really not sure how useful GI is (I would say probably not much). But IMO, if you were very active, you could still lose weight on 150 grams carbs. Youd just be losing weight via the exercise primarily, not the diet. 150 grams seems more like a maintenaince level for diet alone tho. You might think about more like 100, if you want to lose primarily from diet.

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on September 27, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Thanks Shelley, I'm aware of possible sugar swings. Shouldn't slow carbs prevent them? I'm also planning to eat potatoes with fat and protein, to slow absorption. No soda with chips :)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 27, 2012
at 10:01 AM

In fact I am not sure GI would even impact glycation, the same amount of glucose is still there, just over more time. Just what the heck use is GI? Seems like an imaginary concept...

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on September 27, 2012
at 10:49 AM

I eat maybe 100-150g per day but I am quite active (weight/circuit training 4-6 times a week) and have maintained my leaning out. It's slower but I feel dreadful on low carb.

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on September 27, 2012
at 07:33 AM

I do not believe in high carb Paleo. Just as I do not believe in very low carb Paleo.

I also do not believe in "everything in moderation". As someone on this site put it, you cannot have "arsenic in moderation".

Yes, I do know people who lost weight on high carbs diet, even on processed food diet, just to gain all this weight back. Plus it creates other health problems. I lost weight on a medium carb diet, but developed binge eating disorder due to low nutritional value of my food.

I think that the ideal diet should include healthy fats (and this does not necessarily means coconut oil all the time, it could be animal fat as well), bone broths, fermented foods, fish, meat on the bone, organ meats, vegetables, including some raw vegetables, green leafy, sulfur-rich and rainbow colored, healthy carbs (pumpkin, sweet potato), berries, nuts and seeds in season. Even home-made yogurt made from raw grass-pastured milk. So would it be high-carb? But this ideal diet would only work for a person, who is already healthy and not metabolically deranged.

If your goal is to lose weight, I do not believe high-carb will work. For people who are overweight it makes sense to reduce their carb intake (but never too low) until they lose their weight. Then they will probably have to keep their carbs in moderation for the rest of their lives.

Plus I think once in a while we were designed to pig out on fruits and berries, when they were in season. So there could be a biological need for some high-carb days.

High carbs in processed foods are different. We were not designed to eat them and I think our bodies are ill-equipped for doing so. So to answer your question:

I do not think it is possible to lose weight on high carb diets and keep the weight off. But I think it is quite healthy to keep your carbs moderate if you do not need to lose weight and even once your lost weight and if it works for you.

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on September 28, 2012
at 12:42 AM

The problem is that only protein/fat/vegetable food doesn't feel right to me. I tried it for a while but I get reflux one hour after it and felts some anxiety. On the other hand when I add some carbs into the mix, I feel like that food is balanced.

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on September 28, 2012
at 04:30 AM

I think what you are feeling is very natural. From what I know, if you don't need to lose weight, you can have up to 150 carb grams per day which is plenty for some starchy things. If you want to lose weight, you have to limit your carbs to 70 - 90. Which still gives you plenty of rooms for starchy things.

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on September 27, 2012
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If it's high carb, it's not Paleo. I have lost weight on high carb diets before as have probably a lot of people, but it was a miserable hungry experience and I gained it all back (BTW, I have never been more than twenty pounds overweight.)

Medium carb is a very grey area. What do you consider medium carb? To me, very low carb is probably 25 grams or less carb a day. Low carb is about 26 - 75 grams a day. And medium carb could be anywhere from 75 - 150 grams a day. Any thing over that I consider high carb. for "normal folks" although elite athletes may go into this higher range and be fine. So, yes, many people lose lots of weight on a very low carb diet, but many people also have a hard time with it and it may not be a sustainable diet for them over the long run. Many people also lose weight in what I consider the low range. This is the range where I lose weight and feel the best eating. I think a lot of folks on this site feel good in this range. If you are active or an athlete, you can up those carbs into the lower medium range and still lose weight without too much sacrifice. But I seriously doubt many people could go any higher than about 100 grams of carb a day and still lose weight without reverting to the typical American miserable, hungry diet experience where you rarely feel satisfied and are always hungry or crabby or craving some carby thing.

If you want to lose weight while feeling satisfied, I would keep in the lower medium to low carb range. And if you find yourself craving carbs all the time, this is a sign to reduce your carbs, not add them!

Good luck. I hope you find what works for you.

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:28 AM

-1. The Paleo you describe is not paleo in the ancestral sense. It's Atkins in a loincloth.

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on September 27, 2012
at 04:20 AM

Thanks for answer Heidi! I'm planning to stay in medium range. Feeling hungry all the time shouldn't happen as I'm not going to overeat fast carbs anyway and I'll keep decent amount of fats and proteins.

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on September 27, 2012
at 02:53 AM

Billions of people consume over 100 g carbs per day and are not overweight.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

High carb can totes be paleo, dawg! Personally, I do better with more carbs rather than less. Of course, I don't infer from my personal experience that everyone else would feel better eating like I do =)

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:53 AM

^ This is for weight loss, if you didnt read the question (for weight loss lower carb is superior, even according to studies). Besides, without wheat, its not unreasonable to be under or equal 100 grams carbs, _naturally_, on a whole foods diet without trying, even a few tubers here and there. That makes lower carb perfectly paleo. The ice age is in our evolutionary history (very little plant food of any kind), and we would have went periods of VLC, as well as higher carb, reasonably often dependant on food availability. Saying low carb or medium carb isnt paleo seems very odd to me.

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on September 27, 2012
at 09:59 AM

Where is atkins in a loincloth? I thought he was dead ...

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on September 27, 2012
at 03:13 AM

Of course billions of people eat over a 100 carbs a day and are not overweight. This is not what I said. I said that it's hard to LOSE weight while feeling satisfied (not hungry) when you eat over 100 or so carbs a day. Lots of people also lose weight on high carb diets, too, but it's hard to do without feeling hungry all the time. The magic in Paleo weight loss is feeling full and satisfied and losing all those crazy cravings. For most of us (not the elite athletes) this comes in the lower medium of low carb range (under 100 grams or so a day).

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at 01:38 PM

Interesting. If I replaced "high carb" with "low carb" in your second sentence, Heidi, that would perfectly explain my personal experience with low carb.

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at 05:28 AM

Ha! Me too Lindsay- low carb was a very bad diet for me as well... ultimately gained weight, felt horrible and sent my hormones into a tailspin. Now I eat 200+ grams of carbs and am so much happier.

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on March 26, 2013
at 04:51 PM

I'm stil fine tuning my approach, but low carb doesn't work for me. I like veggies, but it was just too much meat and greens all the time. Plus I lost weight like crazy and felt pretty miserable. I'm adopting now a more Perfect Health Diet-like approach and sweet potatos, white potatos, yams and rice. Early days but seems to be working well with good energy levels during the day and in the gym.

I don't think I will have problems leaning out more with this approach, but time will tell.

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on March 26, 2013
at 12:40 PM

I have, but not by choice. I think it's part of my genetic structure, and I believe everyone's genes have something to do with how many carbs they can handle. Re: episode 167 of Robb Wolf's podcast.

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I tried increasing my intake of starchy carbs but my symptoms of carbohydrate intolerance returned. I suggest you run self-tests to determine what your own symptoms are and what your own limits are. That way you don't have to listen to dogmatic pro- or anti-carbohydrate messages from anybody.

Also, very low-level aerobic exercise can improve your adaptation to using body fat for energy. If you can spend more of your day at this low level, you will improve your health and your sensitivity to carbohydrate. You may even find that you can worry less about your total carbohydrate intake, within reason of course.

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on March 26, 2013
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It's important if you are looking to lose weight primarily you stick to a strict 21 gm a day carb diet, don't worry about calories, just try and make the meals balanced. eggs, bacon, cheese green veggies, salad NO SUGAR products NO Sweetener stuff, (no Atkins bars etc. any kind of no car sugar alcohol product). Keep diary low but you can have half and half for coffee and heavy cream for a treat . After you purchase some Ketone sticks at a pharmacy, check after the third day to see if you are in ketosis, once in ketosis stay on the low carb until you lose 10 lbs, which will come off in one week if you are disciplined. Then at the second week add slowly things that you might want to add like tomatoes, onions, avocados other colored veggies that have higher carb counts. Stay on about 30 gms, if that stops you weight loss, take away the last items until you start losing again. Your body is different than everyone else s so it's a trail and error to make sure you allow yourself to jump start your body..it doesn't happen in a day. Once in ketosis though, even when you add carbs you will still lose weight just on the ketosis vibe going on in your body still from the start, but it will wear off soon so don't think you are losing weight when you haven't allowed the ketosis to go away yet. Check it with your ketosis sticks. If once out of ketosis you continue to lose weight while you slowly add carbs then the next week at 5 more carbs, keep adding each week until you again stop losing weight, then remove some cars. You don't have to eat a low calorie diet, on the contrary, it's good to eat high calories, it makes no difference in a no carb diet because the structure of you digestion and kidneys change their way of breaking down and you can eat salts and things that once carbs are low, totally change your kidneys to letting go of water instead of holding on to it like it does when you eat high carbs. So help yourself, fat is great and always remember fat doesn't create fat and animal fat is good for lubricating your disks and keeping your arteries slippery and not sticky. That only happens when you take away the quick digesting carbs like sugar and flour products. Also potatoes, rice, bread, they do have tortillas at some groceries that only have 2 net carbs they work wonders in keeping your proteins together to eat.

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