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CrossFit and TKD: Good combo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 11, 2010 at 3:30 AM

Male, 48, on a straightforward LC diet for several years. Started Crossfit about 4 months ago. I'm having problems with both intensity and recovery. I'm considering trying out the targeted ketogenic diet (TKD) outlined in the book "The Ketogenic Diet" by Lyle McDonald. Wondering if anyone else has tried TKD in conjunction with Crossfit and what kind of results they got using it. The bodybuilder/powerlifter crowd seems to like TKD, except for when they don't. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

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on June 10, 2010
at 04:13 PM

yeah i was going to joke that is wasn't quite as good ans Crossfit and MT (Muay Thai) but that really doesn't make any sense now!:)

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on April 11, 2010
at 06:43 PM

I completely agree with you regarding recovery time. I never do workouts two days in a row, and I keep my activities fairly low on the off days. As it is, I'm doing CF WODs only 2x or 3x per week, which in the grand scheme of things, isn't that much. Not sure if I could stand the BBS program, 'cause it seems monotonous to me. CF offers a lot of variety in workouts, which I prefer. Also, CF is almost entirely outdoors (here in Austin, TX), which is a big win for me. Thanks for the info.

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on April 11, 2010
at 06:36 PM

Whoops, sorry, didn't know that...

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on April 11, 2010
at 06:35 PM

Thanks for the info. I'm a little reluctant to add dextrose to my diet -- Right now, it could be a simple conditioning problem for me; I was fairly out of shape when I started CF, so I'm going to give it a few more weeks to see if the situation gets any better before I consider trying a TKD. Not sure if I could tolerate the coconut oil before my (early morning) workouts, but I'll start researching it... Thanks again.

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on April 11, 2010
at 05:09 AM

LOL! I thought you meant taekwondo which is also referred to as TDK. ;)

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on April 11, 2010
at 04:19 AM

You sound like Chris D at http://paleohacks.com/questions/3236/how-much-exercise-is-too-much A chronic exerciser who has not yet learned that the body needs recovery time to rebuild the muscle fibres...both fast twitch and slow twitch.

Take some time off from CrossFit to recover and read Dr. McGuff's book in the interium.

Lyle McDonald is loved or despised but I think putting yourself into a constant state of ketosis is ok for a while but long term it is problematic.

I do the Body by Science regime and am quite happy with my strength gains on only 15-20 min a week workout and recover quite well. It is counter intuitive to most gym rats who think more is better until they completely run down their minds and their bodies to exhaustion...thinking more is better.

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on April 11, 2010
at 06:43 PM

I completely agree with you regarding recovery time. I never do workouts two days in a row, and I keep my activities fairly low on the off days. As it is, I'm doing CF WODs only 2x or 3x per week, which in the grand scheme of things, isn't that much. Not sure if I could stand the BBS program, 'cause it seems monotonous to me. CF offers a lot of variety in workouts, which I prefer. Also, CF is almost entirely outdoors (here in Austin, TX), which is a big win for me. Thanks for the info.

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on April 11, 2010
at 08:37 PM

What are your goals with doing TKD while doing CF WODs? The only problem would be that some people run better on more carbs, so you might drag a bit doing CF. Here is a post on Robb Wolf's blog about someone who did TKD along with CF and saw good results: http://robbwolf.com/2009/12/07/low-carbs-and-crossfit/

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on April 11, 2010
at 03:59 PM

I have tried TKD, but not with crossfit. I think it worked pretty well in terms of feeling able to lift heavy. I stopped because I wanted to exclude all sugar from my diet (I was using Smarties -- pure dextrose for fast entry) even in small amounts. And I haven't been lifting for awhile, so I'm not sure how well I will do. I'm eager to try, though, because I've now eliminated all carbs from my diet, and I've heard other zero carbers report that they can lift with just as much intensity as before.

I think this is a matter of self-experimentation. You pretty much have to just try it and decide for yourself.

Another idea, if you are reluctant to dose yourself with sugar, is coconut oil. This I haven't tried, but I have read it can be used as fast fuel for weight lifting.

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on April 11, 2010
at 06:35 PM

Thanks for the info. I'm a little reluctant to add dextrose to my diet -- Right now, it could be a simple conditioning problem for me; I was fairly out of shape when I started CF, so I'm going to give it a few more weeks to see if the situation gets any better before I consider trying a TKD. Not sure if I could tolerate the coconut oil before my (early morning) workouts, but I'll start researching it... Thanks again.

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on April 11, 2010
at 11:45 AM

Lyle has some wonderful concepts but for me, a diabetic, he doesn't think carbs are a problem, when they clearly are and isn't pro paleo. My concern with CrossFits, now that they are coming to terms with the out dated Zone diet and heading toward Paleo is that they sacrifice 'form' over time in they workouts which leads to a lot of unnecessary injury.

I agree with Dexter. I'm more in the camp of Robb Wolf on 'most' things and one important one that took a while to get in my head is recovery and sleep. As important as moving heavy weight. Less is more- yes it is. Be very INTENSE but get some recovery

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