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Can you help with a problem I'm having with GERD when eating meat?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 10, 2010 at 6:36 PM

Until recently, the only flesh foods I ate were fish and seafood. After considerable reading, I decided to add meat back into my diet, but I have been having problems with GERD frequently. It occurs after the first few bites of meat. It's fixed with anti-acid calcium tabs, but I'd rather not keep going that route.

Before now, GERD usually only affected me when eating bread, fried food, or when under stress during a meal. Those are totally out of my diet, and I'm not stressed about the meat because I'm satisfied with the conditions the animals are raised in, with the slaughter methods, etc. And the flavor of the meat I'm getting is wonderful. Help!

88905cfc5bb098ad3830671a1af373a8

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on August 31, 2010
at 12:06 PM

any chance you could give us a heads up on his instructions, for those of us reading (and refluxing) in southeast Asia? ;)

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on June 24, 2010
at 03:14 AM

how's it going?

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on June 12, 2010
at 10:59 AM

On the evolutionary scale, I can picture blood type being important to some micro-nutrient choices, but not the big categorical macro-nutrient choices.

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on June 11, 2010
at 10:54 PM

No problem, forgot about another discussion on GERD, that was in episode 23. If you haven't subscribed to his podcast I highly recommend it. Plus Robb is a pretty funny dude.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 11, 2010
at 04:29 PM

In any case, you guessed wrong on my blood type.

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on June 11, 2010
at 04:25 PM

Eating beets before your meal with raw pasteurized apple vinegar and maybe olive oil for better taste is not bad either.

947b190e4cb0f4e0356b959d6fa7b50a

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on June 11, 2010
at 03:05 PM

Dr. Cordain's recent newsletter contains his paper on the blood type diet. D'Adamo didn't get the blood type info correct, either.

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on June 11, 2010
at 12:43 PM

If fat (dairy, olive oil, etc) is ok for you, I'm thinking that it's really just the spices that you're adding.

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on June 11, 2010
at 12:12 PM

The Blood Type diet is a load of nonsense.

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on June 11, 2010
at 09:30 AM

No dairy except butter. I'll make up a batch of ghee, but I usually only eat butter when I have my every other day 1/2 sweet potato.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 10, 2010
at 10:51 PM

Thanks, I will look into this further. It was quite a few years of no meat, and the pescatarian years were preceded by several years of being vegan.

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on June 10, 2010
at 10:48 PM

Only a few weeks adding back in beef. I had to find a reasonably priced source that fit in with the other requirements ie. grass fed/finished, humanely raised, humanely slaughtered and ideally local. Thanks, I will check out the melatonin.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 10, 2010
at 10:45 PM

Thanks, I'll ask my doctor to check for hiatal hernia.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 10, 2010
at 10:41 PM

Mostly acidic marinades - lime juice, garlic, ginger etc. I like flank steaks a lot. It's pretty lean. I use hot sauce some, but always have in mass quantities. Might be the hardiest not very paleo (salt) thing to give up. On fats - fried things always gave me trouble, but not fatty fish, butter, olive oil, fish oil....

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on June 10, 2010
at 10:14 PM

hiatal hernia = physical issue that a doctor should be able to diagnose. GERD= immune system issue that's hard to fix and diagnose.

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on June 10, 2010
at 09:16 PM

Results may vary... especially for people with hiatal hernia...

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6188c402b800087ffda0d69f5147285e

on June 10, 2010
at 07:42 PM

Chances are without meat in the diet for an extended period of time you might well be hypochloridic (too little stomach acid), which is quite normal for those coming to paleo from a more vegetarian or vegan diet. Now super foods enzyme should assist with your digestion. Begin by supplementing with 1 capsule during a meal, continue adding 1 capsule to the initial dose until you reach a point where you feel a warming sensation in the epigastric region. At that point dial back your dosage by 1 capsule. Robb Wolf also has a pretty neat little breakdown on this in his paleolithic solutions episode 13. Here is a link episode 13

6188c402b800087ffda0d69f5147285e

on June 11, 2010
at 10:54 PM

No problem, forgot about another discussion on GERD, that was in episode 23. If you haven't subscribed to his podcast I highly recommend it. Plus Robb is a pretty funny dude.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 10, 2010
at 10:51 PM

Thanks, I will look into this further. It was quite a few years of no meat, and the pescatarian years were preceded by several years of being vegan.

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on June 10, 2010
at 07:25 PM

How long since you added it back in? If you haven't eaten meat for a long time it might take a while for your stomach to adjust to the fat/protein block.

I don't have any noticeable symptoms of GERD, but my gastro told me that I have damage in my esophagus consistent with chronic GERD. I started taking 6mg of melatonin before bed (see here) and aside from deeper sleep I haven't noticed any real effects. The link has links to studies where people had relief from GERD after taking melatonin bearing supplements for just a few weeks, so maybe you could benefit from it.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 10, 2010
at 10:48 PM

Only a few weeks adding back in beef. I had to find a reasonably priced source that fit in with the other requirements ie. grass fed/finished, humanely raised, humanely slaughtered and ideally local. Thanks, I will check out the melatonin.

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on June 10, 2010
at 07:25 PM

Are you adding spices to the meat? Try it a few more times with just plain meat. There's nothing in meat that should cause GERD. In fact, protein typically cause less reflux. Does non-meat fat cause the same problem for you?

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 10, 2010
at 10:41 PM

Mostly acidic marinades - lime juice, garlic, ginger etc. I like flank steaks a lot. It's pretty lean. I use hot sauce some, but always have in mass quantities. Might be the hardiest not very paleo (salt) thing to give up. On fats - fried things always gave me trouble, but not fatty fish, butter, olive oil, fish oil....

4a1512c822f4698855f126e16236668a

(116)

on June 11, 2010
at 12:43 PM

If fat (dairy, olive oil, etc) is ok for you, I'm thinking that it's really just the spices that you're adding.

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on June 10, 2010
at 08:11 PM

Taking anti-acid calcium is exactly what you don't want to do. Chase your meal with diluted apple cider vinegar or Betaine HCL/Pepsin (what Captain Paleo said).

15d23403fb836f2b506f4f3ad2c03356

(1219)

on June 10, 2010
at 09:16 PM

Results may vary... especially for people with hiatal hernia...

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 10, 2010
at 10:14 PM

hiatal hernia = physical issue that a doctor should be able to diagnose. GERD= immune system issue that's hard to fix and diagnose.

03db20f160e58814827ae5a05a5c8792

(520)

on June 11, 2010
at 04:25 PM

Eating beets before your meal with raw pasteurized apple vinegar and maybe olive oil for better taste is not bad either.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 10, 2010
at 10:45 PM

Thanks, I'll ask my doctor to check for hiatal hernia.

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on June 11, 2010
at 03:00 PM

Karen,

I was experiencing GERD as well, despite having been gluten-free for nearly a year, and grain-free for at least half a year. I prepare all my own food and never stray from the path I have set myself on. It was frustrating to me when the GERD from my gluten eating days came back. I eat PaNu style, using some heavy cream and Kerrygold butter.

Even though I am not diabetic, I found a book by Dr. Richard Bernstein titled "The Diabetes Solution." In it, he had an entire chapter on Gastroparesis. This is "delayed gastric emptying." Reading through that chapter was certainly an eye-opener for me. It became the answer to so many of the questions I had. You may find this useful. I was able to get rid of my GERD by following his instructions.

I picked up the 2007 edition at my library, via inter-library loan. I bet you could find a copy too. He is a low-carb, paleo friendly Doc. His personal experiences over many decades provide a lot of insight into long-term health and repair.

88905cfc5bb098ad3830671a1af373a8

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on August 31, 2010
at 12:06 PM

any chance you could give us a heads up on his instructions, for those of us reading (and refluxing) in southeast Asia? ;)

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on June 11, 2010
at 02:56 AM

Are you eating any dairy besides butter? If not, try ghee at all meals for a week.

If so, a dairy elimination trial may be in order. I realize that the GERD and the dairy consumption may not line up in a way that seems logical. That's just how food intolerances work. You'd need at least a week off dairy to test this.

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on June 11, 2010
at 09:30 AM

No dairy except butter. I'll make up a batch of ghee, but I usually only eat butter when I have my every other day 1/2 sweet potato.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on June 24, 2010
at 03:14 AM

how's it going?

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on June 11, 2010
at 11:40 AM

Hey Karen,

Sorry about the Gerd.. I hate to say this but you're probably Blood Type A which is generally incompatible with a paleo diet. A's have lower stomach acid, an ability to break down lots of fat and thicker blood. Red Meats NEED high levels of stomach acid for digestion so.... You can force yourself of course by masking your symptoms with HCL and pills etc.. but your body is clearly trying to tell you something and I'd advise you'd listen. I am a hardcore Paleo eater and this way of life is amazing for sooo many people. However, I'd never be arrogant enough to think that EVERY since person should do it this way. There are many thriving Vegan types.. If you eliminate the RED MEAT and stick with chicken, turkey, fish your GERD will be a thing of the past. I'd advise you check/research more info about eating for your Blood Type..(Wheat is a no no for all types, which shouldn't surprise you).

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 11, 2010
at 04:29 PM

In any case, you guessed wrong on my blood type.

947b190e4cb0f4e0356b959d6fa7b50a

(55)

on June 11, 2010
at 03:05 PM

Dr. Cordain's recent newsletter contains his paper on the blood type diet. D'Adamo didn't get the blood type info correct, either.

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(19245)

on June 11, 2010
at 12:12 PM

The Blood Type diet is a load of nonsense.

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on June 12, 2010
at 10:59 AM

On the evolutionary scale, I can picture blood type being important to some micro-nutrient choices, but not the big categorical macro-nutrient choices.

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