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Is diabetes an illness?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 23, 2012 at 6:10 AM

Our favorite Dr. Quilt had an interesting post on his blog today, and included some radical ideas on the causes and role of diabetes. He is hinting at the idea that it is not a disease. What do you think about this? http://jackkruse.com/cold-thermogenesis-two/

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on March 03, 2012
at 10:13 PM

"I have a lot of diabetics in my practice becoming un diabetic while the rest of the world believes it is a disease……its not a disease. it is a metabolic derangement that the cold fixes. Anyone can rid them selves of this disease if they cold adapt at home." The Quilt wrote this. I'm skeptical.

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on February 24, 2012
at 12:53 AM

What said this chap straight? Was even English? Possibly isn't English its first language? If not, then is which? Possibly it' s the secret? ...... or Babel Fish?

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on February 23, 2012
at 08:21 PM

Um, you failed to refute any of my arguments. You are basically impossible to argue with because you start getting all emo and saying how we just don't see things the way you do.

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on February 23, 2012
at 08:19 PM

But Quilt, many of the basic facts upon which you are building your grand theory are simply incorrect or misinterpreted, and they remain so whichever reality you claim to be in.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on February 23, 2012
at 07:40 PM

difficult because you have no understanding of it........but you will soon and you will then have to rethink your beliefs. What you have done to me is precisely what you accuse modern medicine of doing to modern patients......Im not mad about it because you really not aware of it......YET. We'll see who turns out right. I already the answer. Your in inning one of massive learning project.

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on February 23, 2012
at 03:45 PM

First article I've read from Kruse... Even if his hypothesis was not completely ridiculous, this man could not compose a sentence to save his life. I only made it about a quarter of the way through before giving up.

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on February 23, 2012
at 02:31 PM

Anybody can be an expert and have references to back up whatever wild-ass theory they come up with. Thanks, Pubmed!

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on February 23, 2012
at 10:26 AM

Is there no end to the nonsense? :)

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on February 23, 2012
at 10:24 AM

Seriously that was the biggest pile of twaddle I have read for some time :)

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on February 23, 2012
at 09:45 AM

Is no end to the nonsense? :)

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 23, 2012
at 07:50 AM

It would be helpful to write out the argument, since it is very hard to follow in the first place and has questionable assumptions right out of the gate. There is absolutely no evidence that hibernation is an ancestral characteristic in the hominid line. Or that pre-hominids in our line (Plesiadapis for example) were adapted to cold weather. You pretty much have to have no education whatsoever on primate evolution to even accept his starting points. The only known primate that hibernates does so at tropical temperatures.

And if his theory panned out, diabetes would be more common in polar cultures, particularly those in which neolithic diets have been introduced. But if you look at the data on Siberians (Leonard et al.) that is not the case at all.

And the vast amount of evidence shows that cold weather adaptations are derived, IE pretty recently evolved, and not ancestral to the homo sapiens species. That's why they are so poorly distributed. In fact, they might even be relics of interbreeding with sub-species like Denisovans and Neanderthals.

And if diabetes were an evolutionary relic, why is there so much evidence that it has to do with autoimmunity?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 23, 2012
at 08:21 PM

Um, you failed to refute any of my arguments. You are basically impossible to argue with because you start getting all emo and saying how we just don't see things the way you do.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on February 23, 2012
at 08:19 PM

But Quilt, many of the basic facts upon which you are building your grand theory are simply incorrect or misinterpreted, and they remain so whichever reality you claim to be in.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on February 24, 2012
at 12:53 AM

What said this chap straight? Was even English? Possibly isn't English its first language? If not, then is which? Possibly it' s the secret? ...... or Babel Fish?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on February 23, 2012
at 07:40 PM

difficult because you have no understanding of it........but you will soon and you will then have to rethink your beliefs. What you have done to me is precisely what you accuse modern medicine of doing to modern patients......Im not mad about it because you really not aware of it......YET. We'll see who turns out right. I already the answer. Your in inning one of massive learning project.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on March 03, 2012
at 10:13 PM

"I have a lot of diabetics in my practice becoming un diabetic while the rest of the world believes it is a disease……its not a disease. it is a metabolic derangement that the cold fixes. Anyone can rid them selves of this disease if they cold adapt at home." The Quilt wrote this. I'm skeptical.

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