They are apparently the biggest consumers of rice-per-capita and eat twice as much as second place Japan. There biggest issue seems to be infectious disease/poverty overall. Anyone know if they have diabetes and/or obesity issues??
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on June 16, 2011
at 10:31 AM
I don't think consumption of starch is a cause of obesity and diabetes. This is what I glean from all the health blogs I've reading over the last year or so, including those of Chris Kresser, Dr. Harris, and The Perfect Health Diet. There are many traditional cultures that have a diet very high in starch, and have very low rates of diabetes and almost no obesity.
Mark Sisson does great, great, work, but I think his stance on carbohydrate has lead a lot of people down an unsustainable path. I eat rice pretty often (hard to avoid living in China) but I have still managed to lose quite a lot of weight.
on June 16, 2011
at 02:19 PM
I have no doubt Indonesia will soon become the diabetic capital of the world. Right now, Malaysia supposedly is. But as sugar and gluten flour infiltrate Indonesia's food infrastructure, Indonesians will contract diabetes at a rate higher than the West -- the same pattern in India, Malaysia, Singapore, China, Vietnam, Polynesia, Papua New Guinea, Nigeria, Inuitland, Greenland, Indian reservations, etc.
The reason for this is simple. Their diet is already starchy to begin with. We agree that a safe starch diet in itself will not lead you to diabetes. However, when you start mixing enough sugar/fructose and gluten grains to the safe starch diet, the synergistic effect is like this: 1 + 1 = 6. The skyrocketing blood sugar from both safe and unsafe starches will just overwhelm your metabolism.
Since sugar/fructose is supposedly toxic, its toxic effect is magnified when mixed with starches, safe or not. If you go to China and Malaysia, you'll see Dunkin Donuts selling their breakfast menu. The Thrid World is rapidly copying the eating habits of the developed countries and paying for it double with their wrecked metabolism.
Ron Martin on LLVLC recently put forth his theory on this: he said that if you're from a hunter-gatherer tribe and have not been exposed to the ways of agriculture (e.g., the Kitavans), then your metabolism is more susceptible to being wrecked by sugar and gluten grains. Something like that.
But the conventional wisdom is that non-whites contract diabetes at a higher rate than whites. Also, there are some patterns: Asians seem to contract diabetes more easily (despite their supposedly agricultural backgrounds) upon consuming sugar and gluten grains but they do not tend to become overtly obese in doing so. A relatively lean, type 2 diabetic (vs. a typically obese Western diabetic) is the standard in East Asia and I suspect in Southeast Asian countries like Indonesia and Malaysia. The reason for this, I suspect, is that they do not produce as much insulin as whites or blacks.
on August 01, 2013
at 02:59 AM
Dietitians over here still believe that fat makes you fat and gives you heart disease. They're now even recommending 'heart healthy' canola and soybean oil over animal fats and coconut oil for cooking... I hate my country.
on June 16, 2011
at 05:45 PM
Depends entirely upon their fructose intake. Aside from maybe some extremely rare cases, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there's no type-II diabetes without a prolonged heavy fructose intake.
on June 16, 2011
at 05:00 PM
Based on my experiences with my (Indonesian) wife, her family and friends, I would say that Indonesian food tends to be much less healthy than stereotypcial "Asian" cuisines. There are an awful lot of greasy and fried foods that I attribute to their several hundred year period under Dutch colonization. My wife's mother had a serious stroke in her early 50's and both of her parents have heart disease in their mid 60's. My wife is about 20 lbs overweight and has high blood pressure but her diet is more SAD than Indonsian.
They eat tremendous amounts of rice but also a lot of PUFA's and their "Kecup" (pronounced like "ketchup") is a VERY highly sweetened soy sauce and they eat it on many of their dishes. Other than that, their cuisine is like a mixture of Indian and Thai with lots of curries, coconut milk and peppers.
I was surprised to discover that what they eat is very different from what I expected and have experienced with people from other Asian countries (primarily China and Vietnam). Those cuisines tended to be healthier in their ingredients.
I will also add that my wife's dad struggles with his weight. He eats constantly and develops a typical "gut" that you often see in American men and then he increases his activity and loses it. This has been a continuous cycle for as long as I've known him and it happens whether he's here in the states (where he eats more Indonesian food than American) or back home in Indonesia.