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I just found out that I have diabetes (Glucose level 500).

Commented on October 01, 2013
Created September 26, 2013 at 5:02 PM

The doctor has put me on metformin and handed me a diet. No, I have just lost 50lbs and I'm very discouraged to have found out that I have diabesity now. I'm on a budget and am okay with spending money for quality foods, but can you tell me what you eat in a day on the Paleo lifestyle? I need to obviously lower my sugar intake. Very concerned about giving up my pumpkin spice lattes. Thank you.

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on October 01, 2013
at 04:45 PM

Sataran, you were right, the Doctor put me on insulin as well. Just curious, why don't you recommend low carb? I have to see him in a week and ask about my fasting C-Peptide. I'm feeling a lot overwhelmed. Thank you for the info.

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on September 30, 2013
at 02:58 PM

I have an appointment with the doctor today and fully intend to take the medication prescribed. I will be trying to eat healthier and get more exercise, which I feel is pretty subjective. I appreciate all of the comments. I'm not a troll, just trying to understand what is happening now that I've lost 50 lbs and my body is freaking out. I posted about the pumpkin spice lattes because they are one of my favorite, however, I've given them up. I've been trying the bulletproof method as of last week and green tea.

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on September 30, 2013
at 11:40 AM

Bulletproof with roasted pumpkin is an option at Starbucks now?

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:02 AM

Also, consider extremely common deficiencies such as Mg(transdermal, handmade is most absorbable & /reliable.), K2, and D3 (sunlight! & supplement in winter).

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on September 30, 2013
at 05:45 AM

Perhaps try a homemade Bulletproof Coffee with no sweeteners or cream and a roasted pumpkin/various sweeter squashes blended in?

Also - diabetes and many pathologies are associated with gut dysfunction. Try some naturally fermented foods, such as non-dairy (water) kefir, raw sauerkraut, raw pickles, raw kimchi, raw fermented vegetables, etc.

Avoid sugar, obviously, and be extremely careful of ingredients in pre-prepared foods. Avoid foods which are not obtained in their natural state.

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on September 28, 2013
at 03:08 AM

Try to read for understanding. I said "eventually eliminate the need for medication, not "don't take it."

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on September 28, 2013
at 03:05 AM

Look I've been your post around here and you're not giving sound advice. 500 BG usually is not from mere insulin reistance. And when you're overweight, Metformin can be very helpful by enabling you to lose weight . Not all medications are harmful. Having that duality of a mindset limits your worldview and is responsible for making irresponsible comments when someone has 500 BG. This could be a troll but you're enabling it.

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on September 28, 2013
at 02:26 AM

It doesn't necessarily mean very little insulin is being secreted. Insulin resistance causes glucose to build up, no matter how active the pancreas is.

Low carb can reverse IR and eventually eliminate the need for meds. Unless consuming all meat, zero carb is impossible.

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on September 27, 2013
at 05:06 AM

Yes.. sorry for the shorthand. BF meant Body Fat %.

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on September 27, 2013
at 12:22 AM

@samc Good points...my bad. I'm having trouble with posting comments & editing answer.

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on September 27, 2013
at 12:16 AM

@MathGirl72 The comment system does not seem to be working 100%. I got a notification that Matt11 posted a comment but cannot find. Additionally a comment I wrote clarifying my BF comment did not seem to post. :(

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on September 27, 2013
at 12:16 AM

Listen to an interview with Sherri Shepherd of TV Show the View. She got the diabetes news from her doctor and went to a restaurant right after and stuffed her face with food. People get addicted to food and stress makes them want it even more. I am a recovered foodaholic.

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on September 27, 2013
at 12:11 AM

@cissybaby3 - My apologies for thinking you were a troll. My "comment" / answers to your inquiry is probably going to run LONG so I'll insert it into my previously posted & edited answer. I wrote a long edit to my answer but somehow it didn't post. :(

I'll try again later. cheers

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on September 26, 2013
at 11:33 PM

My bad...too much shorthand.. Yes BF = Body Fat %. I was 220 at 6' not hugely fat but by no means trim.....now I'm 190.

I was beer tasting (july 2012) in Mammoth Lakes, CA when a "friend" told me I was fat. I started with Seth ROberts, then Mark Hyman - Blood Sugar Solution ,Tim Ferris - 4 Hour Body, Mark Sisson

I have been ~ paleo since early 2013... shortly after that I found PH.

BTW I'm still thinking the question that started this thread might be a troll.

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on September 26, 2013
at 11:10 PM

12 of 38 grams of sugar come from the milk. 26 grams from the simple syrup which is 2 ounces or so… in a tall. Talking 3 ounces of sugar in a grande, and 4 ounces in a venti (which so many folks order).

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:55 PM

I think BF might be Body Fat, but I'm not positive.

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:50 PM

What is BF? Yes, my carb limit counts carbs from all sources and yes, I am grain-free.

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:49 PM

Huh? I didn't post a picture Bob. LOL I was glad to hear that you lost weight on that amount of carbs as well. What do you eat in a typical day? I've been eating eggs, fish, chicken, and lots of veggies. It is hard to give up the sugar, if it wasn't, everyone would be doing it.

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:48 PM

You or the OP?

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:43 PM

Matt11- A little dramatic... loss of hand is a much lower probability. j/k

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:33 PM

MathGirl72- Do I correctly assume you're grain free?

Does your 50g carb limit count all carbs? Like those is spinach, lettuce, kale, carrots?

cheers

Bob

My low carb weight loss experience mirrors yours but mine was BF motivated not Type 2.

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on September 26, 2013
at 09:31 PM

Your choice: a pumpkin spice latte or your foot/hand/vision? Seems easy to me!

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on September 26, 2013
at 09:29 PM

As if the lactose was the worst offender in the pumpkin spice latte! Try the 2-3 ounces of simple syrup-based flavorants.

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on September 26, 2013
at 08:50 PM

I was able to get my blood glucose down to normal levels within a couple weeks with carb reduction. Like you, the weight came off with minimal hunger considering the amount I had also cut my daily food intake to speed things up. At the start I was losing 2-3 lbs a week with very little effort. Hunger came back with a vengeance once I had lost 25 lbs though.

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on September 26, 2013
at 08:44 PM

I didn't drink much milk while I was dealing with diabetes, but I ate lots of yogurt and berries, with a little maple syrup to sweeten. The lactobacilli convert a lot of the lactose into lactic acid, reducing the glycemic effect. I still make and use a lot of homemade yogurt.

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on September 26, 2013
at 08:44 PM

Why not use a little heavy cream for the latte and avoid the lactose carbs? Or switch to cream-based mochas, or cream teas?

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on September 26, 2013
at 08:28 PM

I want to keep losing the weight either way. I don't drink lattes everyday, but they were my splurge. I will find a low carb, maybe dairy free version or just give them up along with bread and pasta and......

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on September 26, 2013
at 08:22 PM

Yeah, the organ damage. I feel okay, other than a bladder infection, which is why I went to the doctor. I started reading about how the diabetes attacks your organs, etc. No, the lattes aren't that good :)

Did you keep taking the metformin until the levels went down? I've been consuming about 50 carbs a day to lose this 50 lbs, which is what is puzzling me the most. Why is this showing up now that I've lost weight. Anyways, thank you for the honesty.

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on September 26, 2013
at 08:22 PM

Yeah the Latte comment is scary. I hope that it is just a shock reaction, which I hear is common with diabetes diagnosis. People just go out and indulge on the crap that put them in the fix in the first place.

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on September 26, 2013
at 05:51 PM

diabesity made me lol for some reason! i wish that was a disease.

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on September 30, 2013
at 05:59 AM

Enjoy simple, well-prepared meals with grass-fed meats, and consume plenty of bone broths or grass-fed gelatin. Splurge with something simple, yet beautiful, like an aesthetic, delicately spiced, perfectly-cooked meal. Grass-fed/pastured meats/eggs, and wild fish/shellfish are by far the most important bang for the buck.

You might also try some offal or very bitter foods (such as long-fermented yogurts -- if tolerated -- or kefir or brussels sprouts) to readjust your palate away from sweet. (Also, the nutrient density of offal like grass-fed/pastured livers will provide very dense energy and nutrients.)

Eating an extremely nutrient-rich diet, preferably with fats like coconut oil or grass-fed ghee (again, only if tolerated) in significant quantity, will cure cravings and lead to stable, peaceful energy.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:02 AM

Also, consider extremely common deficiencies such as Mg(transdermal, handmade is most absorbable & /reliable.), K2, and D3 (sunlight! & supplement in winter).

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on September 27, 2013
at 08:45 PM

If your post-prandial or fasting BG is 500 or higher, that means there is very little insulin being secreted. Did your doc ever check you for T1 antibodies? You could be T1, T1.5, LADA or a T2 with impaired beta cell functionality in need of insulin. I would at least try to get that straight. Get your fasting C-Peptide measured ASAP. If your doc isn't an endo, he might be clueless. You'll have to ask him for it. If it's below 0.5, you might need insulin, no matter how low or zero carb you go (which I dont' recommend by the way).

You need to get that BG under control ASAP; when you start going over 400, depending on your age, the risk of thrombosis multiplies because of blood viscosity. The last thing you should be concerned about now is your pumpkin spice Starbux.

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on September 28, 2013
at 03:05 AM

Look I've been your post around here and you're not giving sound advice. 500 BG usually is not from mere insulin reistance. And when you're overweight, Metformin can be very helpful by enabling you to lose weight . Not all medications are harmful. Having that duality of a mindset limits your worldview and is responsible for making irresponsible comments when someone has 500 BG. This could be a troll but you're enabling it.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on September 28, 2013
at 02:26 AM

It doesn't necessarily mean very little insulin is being secreted. Insulin resistance causes glucose to build up, no matter how active the pancreas is.

Low carb can reverse IR and eventually eliminate the need for meds. Unless consuming all meat, zero carb is impossible.

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on September 27, 2013
at 04:51 AM

I am type 1 diabetic, and drastically reducing my carbs helped bring my fast-acting insulin use down to nearly zero. Strenous physical activity actually leaves me hypoglycemic unless I skip the fast insulin. I now take 0-10 units of said insulin a day instead of 30-35, and as long as I keep things in check, my blood glucose is in the 80s-100s all the time.

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:45 PM

Looks like a troll to me....... Edited 9-26-13 5pm PST

Looks like I'm wrong... I mistakenly assumed someone couldn't possibly consider NOT giving up the "Pumpkin Spice Latte" at BGL of 500.

I hate for PHer's to put effort into a spoof.

Hmmm answer edit seems flaky too... I tried to edit this "answer" a number of times & the edits appear lost. I'll try again later.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:48 PM

You or the OP?

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on September 27, 2013
at 12:16 AM

Listen to an interview with Sherri Shepherd of TV Show the View. She got the diabetes news from her doctor and went to a restaurant right after and stuffed her face with food. People get addicted to food and stress makes them want it even more. I am a recovered foodaholic.

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:49 PM

Huh? I didn't post a picture Bob. LOL I was glad to hear that you lost weight on that amount of carbs as well. What do you eat in a typical day? I've been eating eggs, fish, chicken, and lots of veggies. It is hard to give up the sugar, if it wasn't, everyone would be doing it.

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on September 26, 2013
at 08:41 PM

@cissybaby3: The site isn't allowing me to respond to your comment, so I had to put it as another answer:

I took the Met until I found out I was pregnant. I used insulin while pregnant since I was consuming about 100 gr carbs a day to stay out of ketosis, but as soon as I had the baby, I went back to low carb and take nothing. My glucose levels are completely in check and my A1c is out of even prediabetic ranges. I do still have about 60 lbs to lose, which will probably hang around until I am no longer breastfeeding.

You may have been diabetic before you lost the weight and didn't realize it. I had never been tested discovered I was diabetic when I started checking my levels on a whim.

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on September 27, 2013
at 12:16 AM

@MathGirl72 The comment system does not seem to be working 100%. I got a notification that Matt11 posted a comment but cannot find. Additionally a comment I wrote clarifying my BF comment did not seem to post. :(

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on September 26, 2013
at 08:14 PM

I eliminated the need for Metformin through diet. I consume fewer than 50 carbs everyday. The weight also started coming off with very little effort. It takes lots of determination in the beginning, but a year later, it is perfectly natural to eat this way. If that latte is worth the neuropathy and organ damage, then by all means continue sucking them down.

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on September 26, 2013
at 10:33 PM

MathGirl72- Do I correctly assume you're grain free?

Does your 50g carb limit count all carbs? Like those is spinach, lettuce, kale, carrots?

cheers

Bob

My low carb weight loss experience mirrors yours but mine was BF motivated not Type 2.

3b5679337efb5400fd3ddbaeb7e324fb

on September 26, 2013
at 08:22 PM

Yeah, the organ damage. I feel okay, other than a bladder infection, which is why I went to the doctor. I started reading about how the diabetes attacks your organs, etc. No, the lattes aren't that good :)

Did you keep taking the metformin until the levels went down? I've been consuming about 50 carbs a day to lose this 50 lbs, which is what is puzzling me the most. Why is this showing up now that I've lost weight. Anyways, thank you for the honesty.

3b5679337efb5400fd3ddbaeb7e324fb

on September 26, 2013
at 08:28 PM

I want to keep losing the weight either way. I don't drink lattes everyday, but they were my splurge. I will find a low carb, maybe dairy free version or just give them up along with bread and pasta and......

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(10611)

on September 26, 2013
at 08:50 PM

I was able to get my blood glucose down to normal levels within a couple weeks with carb reduction. Like you, the weight came off with minimal hunger considering the amount I had also cut my daily food intake to speed things up. At the start I was losing 2-3 lbs a week with very little effort. Hunger came back with a vengeance once I had lost 25 lbs though.

Medium avatar

(238)

on September 26, 2013
at 08:22 PM

Yeah the Latte comment is scary. I hope that it is just a shock reaction, which I hear is common with diabetes diagnosis. People just go out and indulge on the crap that put them in the fix in the first place.

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on September 26, 2013
at 06:35 PM

My blood glucose was 200 fasting on repeated tests, with A1C of 8, when I was diagnosed. I was put on an ADA carb counting diet, which was a complex mix of exchanges designed to force you away from starchy, sugary foods. After doing this diet for a while I discovered that the worst foods have high glycemic index. Starchy carbs - safe or not - would spike my blood sugar worse than anything. I found that the best control came from losing weight down to a normal range (this took 6 months and a loss of 50 lbs), and I hope that it works for you. The metformin made me feel sick, and I was allowed to go off it after I had my blood sugar back down to normal levels. No fun. Good luck!

Regarding the paleo foods, once again you need to drastically reduce the starchy carbs (sushi rice was the worst for me) and sugars. I'd stick with lots of vegetables like cabbage and broccoli, lots of seafood, and moderate amounts of fat. Nuts are OK, but don't let high calorie foods impede getting to a normal weight.

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on September 26, 2013
at 05:49 PM

Many diabetics have a worse blood glucose spike from milk/lactose (the lower the fat % of the milk, the higher the spike) than from sugar, so you might want to think over the lattes...maybe modify ingredients if you must have them?

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on September 26, 2013
at 08:44 PM

I didn't drink much milk while I was dealing with diabetes, but I ate lots of yogurt and berries, with a little maple syrup to sweeten. The lactobacilli convert a lot of the lactose into lactic acid, reducing the glycemic effect. I still make and use a lot of homemade yogurt.

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