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Can diet cure type 1.5 diabetes?

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Created June 29, 2011 at 10:18 PM

We know how good paleo is for type 2 diabetes, but what about type 1.5 diabetes?

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on July 02, 2011
at 05:07 PM

I think it is hard to stop the autoimmune attack; but the autoimmune form of the Paleo diet is the best weapon out there.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

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on July 01, 2011
at 12:22 PM

I fix U, I fix me.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on July 01, 2011
at 12:22 PM

And it is. You are wise to catch it now. Get a meter from Walmart, check your BS in the morning fasting. Should be 83. Check your BS 1-2 hours after each meal. You should go no higher than 120. If you do, look at what you ate. You don't have to ask me if a food is good for you, the first test is if your BS stays under 120...that can be a good sign. If it goes over 120 that IS a bad sign. Read Dr. Bernstein's work, read Dr. Rosedale's work, eat whole foods, fat first, protein second, carbs last. Study Paleo and let's get a program that works for you and keeps you from Diabetes Gulag.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on July 01, 2011
at 12:15 PM

Karen, had I known then what I do now I never would have gone thru what I did. You can stop and reverse the progression of blood sugar imbalances and never become diabetic. My symptoms were hypoglycemea for 10 years, then I kept my BS in control with massive exercise. Too much work and not the results you want. Classic hypos...I would eat a bag of family sized doritos, bounce off the walls for 45 minutes then colapse on my bed for 2 hours hardly able to lift my arm off the bed. I felt like a truck hit me. This was most days. Like you, it was in the back of my mind that something was wrong.

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on June 30, 2011
at 09:40 PM

How did you know you burned out your betas? In other words, what were the symptoms? I have blood sugar problems and I wonder if that's where I am headed.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:57 PM

Oh...I forgot to mention, I started out pre diabetic, charged into Type 2 and then, after maintaining stringent high blood sugars, I burned out my betas and now have to take insulin by shot 4x per day. I am your study and so is every Type 2 that transitioned into insulin dependancy. Now you have millions of studies.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:13 PM

Please cite a study that says high blood sugars are not burning out your betas, please cite a study that says that sulphonureas can't burn out your betas. Please cite a study that says high insulin doesn't make you insulin resistant and thus drive up your insulin output. Studies on the shit that causes you to be diabetic, to be unhealthy, to be sick, dying or dead...oh, lots of them.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

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on June 30, 2011
at 02:01 PM

Firstly, there are no "studies" to test beta cell burnout to my knowledge. They would have to sacrifice some diabetics to get at the pancreas and count the betas that are living, dying or dead. So...sorry. No studies Dr. Bernstein has stated that there a three kind of Betas...Living, dying and dead. He has stopped all prescription long ago of sulphonureas because they "whip a dying horse". Dr. Ron Rosedale concurs. By resting the betas from high glucose and drugs that whip them, A1cs have taken up to 3 years to go high again. sulphonhttp://www.endocrinetoday.com/view.aspx?rid=28307

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on June 30, 2011
at 04:28 AM

That's very interesting, thanks for the comment. This is the type of anecdotal evidence that I really like hearing. I value it just as much as I value discussions and links to published research.

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on June 30, 2011
at 03:00 AM

Please cite a study where "burning out your betas" has ever been documented.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

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on June 30, 2011
at 12:21 AM

The diet interventions are the same. The information that she has is bullshit. Not to slam her but her info. She didn't get that from Dr. Bernstein or Dr. Rosedale. Perhaps a Type 2 can get away with a few more carbs than a Type 1 or 1.5, but sugar in any form, be it non fiber carb or sugar, is not healthy or recommended to any diabetic.. by me. Diabetics are all carbohydrate intolerant. Sorry, us diabetics, but we are not normal. We can't eat normal or it will kill us faster than normal eating kills everyone else. A high fat/moderate protein/low carb Paleo is great for diabetics.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

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on June 29, 2011
at 11:39 PM

Hi Dr K, you always do this thing where you give my comments short answers that dont contain the info I'm looking for. A few more sentences or a link would be greatly appreciated :)

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

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on June 29, 2011
at 11:38 PM

I don't actually have diabetes, but I was discussing the types with a friend, and she noted that the typical diet interventions are not the same for type 1.5, which results from an impaired pancreas. So I was wondering if anyone had a paleo perspective on this.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 29, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Some of us do.....

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

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on June 29, 2011
at 10:37 PM

I appreciate your answer, but there's no mention of type 1.5 diabetes - nobody ever talks about type 1.5! :)

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on June 30, 2011
at 01:18 AM

IF you're Type 1.5 or LADA, you may have been taken for a type 2 diabetic but now tested positive for type 1 antibodies, so you need to eventually be on insulin. GAD65 is the definitive antibody test for you to be classified as LADA.

What's happening is that many internists that treat diabetes simply think you're automatically type 2. They may look at you a little closely if you're not obese. But most will not bother testing you antibodies every year like they should.

So if you all of a sudden lose BG control, increase your T2 medication, but still can't normalize your BG, well, then, now you're Type 1, I mean a 1.5 or a Johnny Come Lately Adult Type 1 Diabetic, i.e., adult onset as opposed to juvenile onset.

About 20% is the estimate that those with T2 diabetes currently are 1.5s and will need to ultimately get on insulin, as their beta cells are being destroyed. 1.5 is an autoimmune disease.

Hey, wait, but didn't the most recent study show that the beta cells actually aren't being destroyed but being "blocked" by pancreatic fat cells? How little do we really know what on earth is really going on.

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149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

on June 29, 2011
at 11:21 PM

When you say Type 1.5...do you mean that you were Type 2 but now have burned out your Betas and have to shoot insulin? I have been Type 2 now Type 1.5...or as Dr. Rosedale said I am Type 3. Double Diabetes. Please read Dr. Bernstein's book "The Diabetes Solution". Go to his web http://www.diabetes-book.com/ and http://www.diabetes911.net/ Listen to his monthly pods. He is more protein/moderate fat/low carb. Bernstein taught me the importance of "normal" BS. Dr. Rosedale taught me the importance of "normal" insulin and leptin. He is high fat/moderate protein/low carb. Check out and read Dr. Ron Rosedale. www.drrosedale.com. Between the 2 Drs., with paleo principles and exercise in place, you will acheive your goals and be as healthy as the best and the rest in this community. As for curing it...ah, no. What I can tell you is that the paleo community here will support and educate you better by a factor of 100 than on any other web that purports to give you info. I look forward to hearing of your experiences to come. Paleo is a great base for me and I am into base jumping. Geronimo...oops, that was Bin Ladin...sorry.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:13 PM

Please cite a study that says high blood sugars are not burning out your betas, please cite a study that says that sulphonureas can't burn out your betas. Please cite a study that says high insulin doesn't make you insulin resistant and thus drive up your insulin output. Studies on the shit that causes you to be diabetic, to be unhealthy, to be sick, dying or dead...oh, lots of them.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:57 PM

Oh...I forgot to mention, I started out pre diabetic, charged into Type 2 and then, after maintaining stringent high blood sugars, I burned out my betas and now have to take insulin by shot 4x per day. I am your study and so is every Type 2 that transitioned into insulin dependancy. Now you have millions of studies.

425aa4bfb79556ed50ea693c3edd7e13

(609)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:00 AM

Please cite a study where "burning out your betas" has ever been documented.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on June 29, 2011
at 11:38 PM

I don't actually have diabetes, but I was discussing the types with a friend, and she noted that the typical diet interventions are not the same for type 1.5, which results from an impaired pancreas. So I was wondering if anyone had a paleo perspective on this.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:21 AM

The diet interventions are the same. The information that she has is bullshit. Not to slam her but her info. She didn't get that from Dr. Bernstein or Dr. Rosedale. Perhaps a Type 2 can get away with a few more carbs than a Type 1 or 1.5, but sugar in any form, be it non fiber carb or sugar, is not healthy or recommended to any diabetic.. by me. Diabetics are all carbohydrate intolerant. Sorry, us diabetics, but we are not normal. We can't eat normal or it will kill us faster than normal eating kills everyone else. A high fat/moderate protein/low carb Paleo is great for diabetics.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:01 PM

Firstly, there are no "studies" to test beta cell burnout to my knowledge. They would have to sacrifice some diabetics to get at the pancreas and count the betas that are living, dying or dead. So...sorry. No studies Dr. Bernstein has stated that there a three kind of Betas...Living, dying and dead. He has stopped all prescription long ago of sulphonureas because they "whip a dying horse". Dr. Ron Rosedale concurs. By resting the betas from high glucose and drugs that whip them, A1cs have taken up to 3 years to go high again. sulphonhttp://www.endocrinetoday.com/view.aspx?rid=28307

Medium avatar

(178)

on June 30, 2011
at 09:40 PM

How did you know you burned out your betas? In other words, what were the symptoms? I have blood sugar problems and I wonder if that's where I am headed.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on July 01, 2011
at 12:22 PM

I fix U, I fix me.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on July 01, 2011
at 12:22 PM

And it is. You are wise to catch it now. Get a meter from Walmart, check your BS in the morning fasting. Should be 83. Check your BS 1-2 hours after each meal. You should go no higher than 120. If you do, look at what you ate. You don't have to ask me if a food is good for you, the first test is if your BS stays under 120...that can be a good sign. If it goes over 120 that IS a bad sign. Read Dr. Bernstein's work, read Dr. Rosedale's work, eat whole foods, fat first, protein second, carbs last. Study Paleo and let's get a program that works for you and keeps you from Diabetes Gulag.

149af6e19a06675614dfbb6838a7d7c0

(3202)

on July 01, 2011
at 12:15 PM

Karen, had I known then what I do now I never would have gone thru what I did. You can stop and reverse the progression of blood sugar imbalances and never become diabetic. My symptoms were hypoglycemea for 10 years, then I kept my BS in control with massive exercise. Too much work and not the results you want. Classic hypos...I would eat a bag of family sized doritos, bounce off the walls for 45 minutes then colapse on my bed for 2 hours hardly able to lift my arm off the bed. I felt like a truck hit me. This was most days. Like you, it was in the back of my mind that something was wrong.

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Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on June 30, 2011
at 03:18 AM

My nutrition instructor was type 1.5, and eating a paleo type diet very rarely needed insulin. She'd been managing this way for years. Her diet: meat, eggs, low sugar veggies, a little dairy (butter and cream), nuts and seeds, fermented veggies, and lots of animal fats(she told us that just for fun, she actually kept track of her macronutrients, and typically ate about 70-80% fat).

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on June 30, 2011
at 04:28 AM

That's very interesting, thanks for the comment. This is the type of anecdotal evidence that I really like hearing. I value it just as much as I value discussions and links to published research.

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Dbb6872f139877fe1a94aeb471baa7d1

on June 29, 2011
at 11:06 PM

I'm either 1 or 1.5 but was misdiagnosed as t2 for so long that my pancreas is toast anyway.

From what I've read, I think once the autoimmune system starts attacking the beta cells, it's kind of inevitable.

Go to http://www.diabetesforums.com -- they know all this stuff and they're VERY pro LC/paleo/primal. At least they were the last time I was there :)

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on July 02, 2011
at 05:07 PM

I think it is hard to stop the autoimmune attack; but the autoimmune form of the Paleo diet is the best weapon out there.

1
66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

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on June 29, 2011
at 10:27 PM

Diabetes can never really be 'cured' it can be managed for a lifetime though. I was Type 2 but paleo has pretty much taken care of that, my blood glucose reading are near normal and my doctor is very impressed. As for type 1 paleo can sure help a lot, I know a couple people that are type 1 and now rarely need their meds at all but they are LC or VLC and never eat grains or sugar.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on June 29, 2011
at 11:39 PM

Hi Dr K, you always do this thing where you give my comments short answers that dont contain the info I'm looking for. A few more sentences or a link would be greatly appreciated :)

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on June 29, 2011
at 10:37 PM

I appreciate your answer, but there's no mention of type 1.5 diabetes - nobody ever talks about type 1.5! :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 29, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Some of us do.....

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