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Do you know why we doctors generally don't believe krill oil is as good as marine DHA oil?

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:31 AM

There is absolutely no problem with krill in terms of the ecosystem or overfishing. Krill are the largest biomass in the world.

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Agreed. Krill is more effective and powerful than fish. Plus, krill is absorbed better in the body which is another reason why you don't have to take such large doses compared to fish oil.

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on November 20, 2011
at 03:55 AM

my issue is im allergic to the fish oil capsule part lol...fail.

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on March 24, 2011
at 08:46 PM

that's from Jurassic Park.

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on March 24, 2011
at 06:52 PM

yah i suppose there are no wild fish left. the sea is barren. cmon doc.

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on March 24, 2011
at 06:46 PM

and I dont think for one minute this is exagerated. I think it is very balanced and fair. Taking omega 3 supplementation is appropriate and very paleo sinc eyou cant find "wild" pure source any longer anywhere. We need science to give it to us.

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on March 24, 2011
at 06:39 PM

Jack I dont and I dont think we will ever know because omega 3 levels were not measured long ago. I think we do know however that the marine food chain has been radically altered therefore I will opt for the purest source of oligo DHA available because that is what is scientifically best. And telomere lengths are the absolute best way to measure the epigenomic effects of a paleo diet. That is what Paleo 3.0 is going to be all about.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 24, 2011
at 05:48 PM

*deer in headlights

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 24, 2011
at 05:47 PM

I'm not trying to be "old school Paleo". I'm not trying to cling tightly to some kind of mantra. I'm simply skeptical of a sudden need to supp fish oil instead of just eating wild fish. I think wild cold water fish of 2011 has just as much healthy omega3 fatty acids as wild cold water fish of 1911. I also fear of overdoing the fish oil, as it is a poly and as such has the potential to become oxidized if overconsumed. I am NOT saying that I'm completely and definitely against fish oil. I'm simply saying that my 'dear in headlights' response, at this moment in time, is to not take supplements.

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on March 24, 2011
at 04:56 PM

Dr K. Making exaggerated claims about dietary supplements is not new, or Paleo 3.0, people have been making similar claims for decades. Such claims rarely pan out in the long run.

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on March 24, 2011
at 03:22 PM

I don't care which version of paleo we're on, I'm not going back to fish oil supplementation because of "longer telomeres."

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on March 24, 2011
at 03:05 PM

...adaptation-thriving, not as retreat into mythic past, but thriving here...working with what can be optimized now...moving to evolution-as-development-as-functional-fit in our contexts. some may say this is too philosophical, but if our worldview is not adequate, then to 'krill or not'...or 'hemp seed or not'...are questions that will cause more shadow-boxing in abstractions (did HG's do it or not), rather than...what is optimizing for us now given our paleo genetics. so paleo is a 'functional lens'but can be missused if we do not recognize differences of our contexts-opportu.-restraints

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on March 24, 2011
at 03:00 PM

yes, we need to reconceptualize Paleo from merely transference of 100,000+ years ago to a fantacy of what that may mean now...to Paleo 3.0+ (if you will), a reconstituting or reinvention (science as art as innovation) that does not transcend biology/genetics, but integrates this within our own contemporary contexts-restraints-opportunities.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 02:20 PM

That is Paleo 1.0...I'm all Bout Paleo 3.0 and more

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:17 PM

have you priced rib eyes ?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 24, 2011
at 04:13 AM

this is good info doc. but saying that I can eat wild fish all day and not offset the O6 because of what we humans have done to the ocean sounds a bit far fetched. The ocean is fine. not sure what you meant by that, but if sardines have (x) amount of O3, and wild salmon caught from cold deep waters have (x) amount, then how can you say that they don't. I don't eat any veggie oils, ever. I rarely eat chicken (maybe 3-4 meals per month). I eat lots of pasture butter with O3 in it. I eat lots of pastured eggs with O3. How could I be so far off that I need supplementation more that I can imagine?

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on March 24, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Logic implies that eating actual krill is no worse than eating the salmon that eat the krill, but salmon have low levels of mercury. So, reference for your claim that unprocessed krill oil is higher in mercury than unprocessed salmon oil?

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on March 24, 2011
at 02:15 AM

Longer telomeres... surrogate marker for health... not a great reason to diverge from "paleo" theory... think we've been down that path before... Where is there evidence that you can't get the same results with a low omega 6, moderate fish intake diet anyway? And even if you can't, where is the evidence to support the notion that anything that lengthens telomeres leads to good health? Besides, there's plenty out there that leads to good epigentic effects (short chain fatty acids, EGCG, resv, genistein, sulforaphane, more choline/less folate, and more); should we mainline all? IMHO, no.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Krill can have alot of DHA.....and there in lies the riddle of why?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 02:03 AM

very paleo Jack.....but you cant eat enough Fish as a caveman to offset what you have done to your body already......that is how bad we have screwed the ocean already. You need supplmentation worse than you can imagine.

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:53 AM

krill oil does not have any effect on telomeres......so if you want to listent o Stephen or Mercola......go for it. Me....if the science says the telomeres are longer.....that is the behavior a caveman goes for because its how evolvution dictates we survive.

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:38 AM

doc, u forget that i have no science training. i just remembered that from reading encyclopedias as a kid(no tv in my house til age 10)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:32 AM

nice lucky.......now follow it up. Be a bastard! LOL

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:31 AM

i think life finds a way melissa......the enviroment is what it is and life finds a way. May not be your way......but there is a point to this

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:18 AM

whales- baleen to be specific

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:04 AM

lol....i spit out my wine.

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:47 AM

So people who sell krill oil think krill oil is great and that everyone should take their great krill oil?

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:44 AM

That would have been my guess. Krill oil is just so damn expensive. I bet you get more bang from your buck by eating fish instead.

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:40 AM

So people who sell expensive krill oil think expensive krill oil is better?

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:36 AM

I'm sure we would all love a Dr. K blog. Just putting that out there.

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:32 AM

Nice one Stabby :)

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:20 AM

this is not how paleohacks works. You are supposed to ask questions you would like the answer to. If you want to answer your own questions, a blog is a good idea.

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on March 23, 2011
at 11:36 PM

My recollection is that there's still no studies on Krill oil other than what the company (and/or some supplement manufacturer selling it) paid for. Compared to massive numbers of studies for fish oil. Also, they've got some pretty hinky marketing in my book. They like to say X times better than fish oil. They usually don't really say it's based on antioxident levels vs. the benefit for DHA.

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on March 23, 2011
at 11:33 PM

Dexter - I don't take either. I was just biting the bait and taking a stab at what the Doc might be thinking.

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on March 23, 2011
at 10:25 PM

Ooer! So Dr. K is even more cutting-edge than Dr. Mercola. Dr. Mercola is so cutting edge that he has info that hasn't even began to exist yet, in anywhere other than his own mind. It must be all of that high-quality krill oil. Stuff does a brain good.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 23, 2011
at 10:18 PM

MAYBE.....or maybe the info evolves huh?

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on March 23, 2011
at 10:08 PM

Jack, I have seen references to fish oil being made from farmed fish and I recall some manufacturer of salmon oil used farmed salmon and it was basically rancid/poor quality. Krill, I don't think can be farmed and as I understand it, the whales seem to do fine, and there seems to be a trememdous abundance of krill.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Fish oil is an essential fatty acid. The current supply world wide is very un paleo.....even if you eat fish all day long you can never come close to Robb's formula can you? therefore it MUST come from outside your diet unless your Jordan TooToo. Morevoer, the intake must be constant because it is burned up (oxidized daily over our needs) Moreover, Robb and the rest of the paleosphere dont realize the more oxidative stress metabolically or from stress hormones the requirements get even steeper. It also pleomorphic effects. Meaning it effects us in many different pathways of paleo genomic biology, in the blood, in the cell, and within the membrane. /but its greatest effect is a new one.....In JAMA in 2010 they followed 608 CAD pts for 5 yrs recording the amt of fish oil each took. Those that took the greatest dose of suppplemented fish oil had the longest telomeres......proof positive of an epigenomic effect and a nutrigenomic effect. To get the same dose you would need to eat like a grizzly bear at rivers edge......you cant do it. and if you did you become Hg,PVC,PCB toxic first because the supply is tainted badly. And here is the reason Krill is substandard. Whales it by the tons.....ever wonder why we cant eat whale as humans? Why the Inuit (TooTOO reference) stopped? Because you get Hg toxic in one meal. Whales are not consumed any longer by humans because humans die if they do. And its because the krill have ungodly amounts of Hg in them. Krill oil has to be totally purified and that process completely knocks the DHA levels to the ground....so the moral of the story.......you can believe youre paleo eating wild fish......but you cant eat enough that way to offset the omega six in your body anyother way than supplementing. That is why marine DHA rocks the free world........and that is totally Paleo. Humans have evolved to be smart enought to do what is right when they know better.....if the caveman lived today he'd be supplementing based upon the current data known. Medicine is art and science in a sensual embrace.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on March 24, 2011
at 02:15 AM

Longer telomeres... surrogate marker for health... not a great reason to diverge from "paleo" theory... think we've been down that path before... Where is there evidence that you can't get the same results with a low omega 6, moderate fish intake diet anyway? And even if you can't, where is the evidence to support the notion that anything that lengthens telomeres leads to good health? Besides, there's plenty out there that leads to good epigentic effects (short chain fatty acids, EGCG, resv, genistein, sulforaphane, more choline/less folate, and more); should we mainline all? IMHO, no.

43c4473fda7e6f6bae82680a6a2333ef

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on March 24, 2011
at 03:05 PM

...adaptation-thriving, not as retreat into mythic past, but thriving here...working with what can be optimized now...moving to evolution-as-development-as-functional-fit in our contexts. some may say this is too philosophical, but if our worldview is not adequate, then to 'krill or not'...or 'hemp seed or not'...are questions that will cause more shadow-boxing in abstractions (did HG's do it or not), rather than...what is optimizing for us now given our paleo genetics. so paleo is a 'functional lens'but can be missused if we do not recognize differences of our contexts-opportu.-restraints

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 24, 2011
at 01:53 AM

krill oil does not have any effect on telomeres......so if you want to listent o Stephen or Mercola......go for it. Me....if the science says the telomeres are longer.....that is the behavior a caveman goes for because its how evolvution dictates we survive.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 24, 2011
at 04:13 AM

this is good info doc. but saying that I can eat wild fish all day and not offset the O6 because of what we humans have done to the ocean sounds a bit far fetched. The ocean is fine. not sure what you meant by that, but if sardines have (x) amount of O3, and wild salmon caught from cold deep waters have (x) amount, then how can you say that they don't. I don't eat any veggie oils, ever. I rarely eat chicken (maybe 3-4 meals per month). I eat lots of pasture butter with O3 in it. I eat lots of pastured eggs with O3. How could I be so far off that I need supplementation more that I can imagine?

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

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on March 24, 2011
at 03:22 PM

I don't care which version of paleo we're on, I'm not going back to fish oil supplementation because of "longer telomeres."

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on March 24, 2011
at 06:52 PM

yah i suppose there are no wild fish left. the sea is barren. cmon doc.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on March 24, 2011
at 04:56 PM

Dr K. Making exaggerated claims about dietary supplements is not new, or Paleo 3.0, people have been making similar claims for decades. Such claims rarely pan out in the long run.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 06:46 PM

and I dont think for one minute this is exagerated. I think it is very balanced and fair. Taking omega 3 supplementation is appropriate and very paleo sinc eyou cant find "wild" pure source any longer anywhere. We need science to give it to us.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 24, 2011
at 06:39 PM

Jack I dont and I dont think we will ever know because omega 3 levels were not measured long ago. I think we do know however that the marine food chain has been radically altered therefore I will opt for the purest source of oligo DHA available because that is what is scientifically best. And telomere lengths are the absolute best way to measure the epigenomic effects of a paleo diet. That is what Paleo 3.0 is going to be all about.

43c4473fda7e6f6bae82680a6a2333ef

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on March 24, 2011
at 03:00 PM

yes, we need to reconceptualize Paleo from merely transference of 100,000+ years ago to a fantacy of what that may mean now...to Paleo 3.0+ (if you will), a reconstituting or reinvention (science as art as innovation) that does not transcend biology/genetics, but integrates this within our own contemporary contexts-restraints-opportunities.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on March 24, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Logic implies that eating actual krill is no worse than eating the salmon that eat the krill, but salmon have low levels of mercury. So, reference for your claim that unprocessed krill oil is higher in mercury than unprocessed salmon oil?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 24, 2011
at 02:20 PM

That is Paleo 1.0...I'm all Bout Paleo 3.0 and more

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 24, 2011
at 05:48 PM

*deer in headlights

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 24, 2011
at 05:47 PM

I'm not trying to be "old school Paleo". I'm not trying to cling tightly to some kind of mantra. I'm simply skeptical of a sudden need to supp fish oil instead of just eating wild fish. I think wild cold water fish of 2011 has just as much healthy omega3 fatty acids as wild cold water fish of 1911. I also fear of overdoing the fish oil, as it is a poly and as such has the potential to become oxidized if overconsumed. I am NOT saying that I'm completely and definitely against fish oil. I'm simply saying that my 'dear in headlights' response, at this moment in time, is to not take supplements.

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on November 20, 2011
at 03:55 AM

my issue is im allergic to the fish oil capsule part lol...fail.

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:36 PM

However, Dr Mike Eades thinks Krill Oil is superior. http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/why-krill-oil/

As does Dr Mercola. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/08/14/is-krill-oil-48-times-better-than-fish-oil.aspx

I guess this is why medicine is a combination of art and science....as you stated.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:04 AM

lol....i spit out my wine.

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:47 AM

So people who sell krill oil think krill oil is great and that everyone should take their great krill oil?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on March 23, 2011
at 10:18 PM

MAYBE.....or maybe the info evolves huh?

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:40 AM

So people who sell expensive krill oil think expensive krill oil is better?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:32 AM

Nice one Stabby :)

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 23, 2011
at 10:25 PM

Ooer! So Dr. K is even more cutting-edge than Dr. Mercola. Dr. Mercola is so cutting edge that he has info that hasn't even began to exist yet, in anywhere other than his own mind. It must be all of that high-quality krill oil. Stuff does a brain good.

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on February 21, 2012
at 11:04 PM

Doesn't eating all that krill oil rob oceans of a valuable/essencial part of its ecosystem, or is it obtained from farmed krill? I know that low krill populations has diminished the number of whales that enter the St-Lawrence Seaway

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:31 AM

There is absolutely no problem with krill in terms of the ecosystem or overfishing. Krill are the largest biomass in the world.

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:58 PM

Many Krill Oil manufacturers like to spotlight high levels of the antioxidant Asataxanthin, but haven't fish oils been found to have high levels as well, especially high quality fish oils. Also, both contain significant pollutants, but fish oil is usually a safer bet when it comes to purity, since many brands of Krill oil do not remove the pollutants as well. Plus Krill Oil does not have as much DHA, which is why it's generally more expensive.

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on March 23, 2011
at 10:08 PM

Jack, I have seen references to fish oil being made from farmed fish and I recall some manufacturer of salmon oil used farmed salmon and it was basically rancid/poor quality. Krill, I don't think can be farmed and as I understand it, the whales seem to do fine, and there seems to be a trememdous abundance of krill.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Krill can have alot of DHA.....and there in lies the riddle of why?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 23, 2011
at 11:33 PM

Dexter - I don't take either. I was just biting the bait and taking a stab at what the Doc might be thinking.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 02:03 AM

very paleo Jack.....but you cant eat enough Fish as a caveman to offset what you have done to your body already......that is how bad we have screwed the ocean already. You need supplmentation worse than you can imagine.

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:27 AM

There is absolutely no problem with krill in terms of the ecosystem or overfishing. Krill are the largest biomass in the world.

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on February 03, 2012
at 03:15 PM

Krill has MUCH better data than Fish Oil for lipid parameters as well as inflammatory markers such as MPO and crp. Anybody with a computer and nothing better to do can find this information...

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Agreed. Krill is more effective and powerful than fish. Plus, krill is absorbed better in the body which is another reason why you don't have to take such large doses compared to fish oil.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:05 AM

clue......maybe I should do a bounty? Who eats krill by the ton?

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:18 AM

whales- baleen to be specific

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:38 AM

doc, u forget that i have no science training. i just remembered that from reading encyclopedias as a kid(no tv in my house til age 10)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:32 AM

nice lucky.......now follow it up. Be a bastard! LOL

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Because a tiny tiny bottle of krill oil costs the same amount as 5-6 fat juicy grass-fed ribeyes?

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:17 PM

have you priced rib eyes ?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:44 AM

That would have been my guess. Krill oil is just so damn expensive. I bet you get more bang from your buck by eating fish instead.

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on March 24, 2011
at 12:10 AM

I'm inclined to suggest (over?) caution; multiple studies have demonstrated the efficacy of fish oil, and although krill oil should in theory have the same effect, there is as yet no documentary to back this up.

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