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Why do I feel terrible?

Answered on November 02, 2013
Created October 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Started Paleo 9 days ago. Starting yesterday I have a very unusual headache behind my eyes. I am tired. Like it is 8:00pm and I am ready for bed tired. And I have been having occasional diarrhea, nothing too bad and a gurgling stomach. I have been pretty strict, about 95% Paleo. No grains whatsoever. I do and will continue to use a couple TBSP of non-dairy coffee creamer every day. And I have had several 8 ounce glasses of milk (my favorite thing and hard to give up.) I am eating my veggies alot my making smoothies with various raw veggies. I am eating leans meats, avacados, yams a couple times, bananas, apples, Clementines. I have lost 6 pounds in 9 days. I am trying to figure out if the way I am feeling is related to some sort of detox effect and will go away in time? Or maybe I am just sick (but I don't think I am)? And if this is somehow related to detoxing myself from all the crap I have been poisoning myself with all these years, how long should I expect it to last? I can live with it but it would be nice to know how long it will last. Thanks in advance. I am still trying to figure all this stuff out.

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on November 02, 2013
at 03:36 PM

Run for the hills when anyone recommends huge amounts of refined salt. The only time anybody needs refined salt is during an ULTRA endurance race, 50+ miles on foot, and 100+ miles on bike, its not even absolutely necessary then. I would totally not load up on salt, examine your dietary choices, from real foods, don't load on refined oil or sodium, thats ridiculous.

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:52 PM

You can buy "Electrolyte water" at WF for about $0.99--it's a mixture of potassium and sodium in water, no flavors, just tastes like plain water. And some people sprinkle salt substitute on their veggies to get more potassium. But I still think your best source is potassium rich foods.

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on November 01, 2013
at 07:25 PM

Swiss chard (any variety) is loaded with potassium (800 mg/cup of raw vegetable). I also drink a cup of low-sodium V8 (800 mg potassium/cup). Try adding those items and see what cron-o-meter has to say.

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on November 01, 2013
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I recently realized (after tracking with cronometer for a while) that my potassium (and sodium depending on whose prescriptions you adhere to) was/were the only thing(s) I was seriously missing on a regular basis. I find it pretty difficult to get adequate potassium from diet alone and am starting to consider supplementation. I hope it doesn't come to that.

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:12 PM

It makes sense to me that as long as you're meeting all your basic nutritional needs (macro and micro) then you can fill in the rest with fat, and majorly restricting fat intake is not something I'd advise. I personally make a conscious effort to get more fat in my diet because it seems to help with gut healing.

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on November 01, 2013
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Honestly I've never had to lose weight and I'm not sure if the OP is in that situation either. I just remember reading in the Perfect Health Diet about how fat is the one macronutrient to play with if attempting calorie restriction. You need to get X amount of carbs and protein (or just protein if you're going ketogenic) and can fill in the rest with fat, more or less depending on requirements.

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on November 01, 2013
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Don't agree that you need to avoid fat if morbidly obese. Eating fat helps with satiety and helps your body rev up the metabolism to burn body fat. My 70 pound weight loss speaks for itself. When I reduce fat, weight loss stalls. Make sure it's good quality mono-unsaturated fat or saturated fat. Stay away from added PUFAs. Mct's in coconut oil are especially helpful. That non-dairy creamer at work if full of sugar and PUFA which work against your efforts to lose weight and improve health. Agree with taking your own heavy cream to work.

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:21 AM

I hadn't thought much about the oxidation issue. Good call. (This reinforces my want to live somewhere I can eat raw seafood more frequently.) Maybe some distinction needs to be made between MCTs and other types of saturated fats (or would you still say that it is healthier to eat things like cheddar and mozzarella cheese than salmon roe?)

I've read that wine can boost o3 absorption. It seems like the antioxidants in the wine could help the oxidation. Not that I would benefit, as I have some alcohol intolerance.

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on November 01, 2013
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Perfect Health Diet addresses this concern and suggests that there is an optimal mix of fats in the diet. The main concern is with PUFAs and the rate at which they oxidize (don't eat salmon with wine). The thinking is, you're best to limit PUFAs in the diet overall, whilst balancing the O3/O6 ratio. MUFAs are much safer (oxidizes hundreds of times less than PUFAs - I've read), and SFA is the safest, and the reason why the human body will carry so much of it. (If it was toxic, they body would have a quick disposal pathway.)

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on October 31, 2013
at 09:42 PM

I eat a ton of fish / sea creatures throwing the pufa up there. Although, I have days of cheese / coconut oil / butter where it's stupid saturated.

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on October 31, 2013
at 09:39 PM

Hmm I tend to get MUFA > SFA > PUFA... Not sure how your PUFA is over your SFA unless you eat veggie oils and loads of nuts? I'm pretty curious about this too. Let's start a thread.

Oh, and to the OP - if it's a thing about non-dairy creamer being next to the free coffee at work? I had that situation and kept eating the non-dairy creamer for a while until it struck me that I could put my own heavy cream in the fridge in the break room. I also keep a big stick of butter in there :-)

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on October 31, 2013
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I've been curious if there is an 'optimal' mix of sfa/mufa/pufas. Are there any advocates out there of a certain ratio or amounts? I tend to go more MUFA > PUFA > SFA in my diet by default.

Edit: I haven't been tracking my nutrition in a while. It's clearly MUFA > SFA > PUFA now that I'm looking at it. I take it back! =]

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on November 02, 2013
at 03:50 PM

I know some people need to do it cold turkey because it suits their personality, but I think a more gradual change is easier on the body and easier on the mind. It would be a shame to feel terrible and ditch the diet thinking that it's not working, when in fact you're just shocking the body with such a big change all at once.

I second what Methodician said. Non-dairy creamer is nasty stuff. Phase it out. And make sure you get plenty of the good fats. Water intake is very important while your body is adjusting to the change.

Good luck!

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on November 01, 2013
at 02:52 PM

Whether you are deliberately reducing carbs or not, the Paleo diet is lower in carbs than SAD. Carbs cause our bodies to store excess glycogen, and with that glycogen comes water. So when glycogen stores are depleted, we excrete that excess water (which is why the first week or two of weight loss is water, not fat). If you aren't careful, it's easy to become dehydrated early on. Besides drinking a lot of water, up your sodium and potassium levels to keep your electrolytes up. You are also probably getting far less sodium in your diet because you aren't eating processed foods, so don't be afraid of adding salt.

Bone broth, with plenty of salt is a great way to balance out your sodium levels and increase fluid levels. And avacado is a great source of potassium.

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:52 PM

You can buy "Electrolyte water" at WF for about $0.99--it's a mixture of potassium and sodium in water, no flavors, just tastes like plain water. And some people sprinkle salt substitute on their veggies to get more potassium. But I still think your best source is potassium rich foods.

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on November 02, 2013
at 03:36 PM

Run for the hills when anyone recommends huge amounts of refined salt. The only time anybody needs refined salt is during an ULTRA endurance race, 50+ miles on foot, and 100+ miles on bike, its not even absolutely necessary then. I would totally not load up on salt, examine your dietary choices, from real foods, don't load on refined oil or sodium, thats ridiculous.

Medium avatar

(624)

on November 01, 2013
at 04:15 PM

I recently realized (after tracking with cronometer for a while) that my potassium (and sodium depending on whose prescriptions you adhere to) was/were the only thing(s) I was seriously missing on a regular basis. I find it pretty difficult to get adequate potassium from diet alone and am starting to consider supplementation. I hope it doesn't come to that.

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on October 31, 2013
at 02:59 AM

Do not use non-dairy creamer. Use heavy cream. Is your milk of the low-fat kind? Use whole milk. Your meat is low fat cuts? Stop that. People new to Paleo often don't realize that it's very important to eat fat. Not just any but GOOD fat. That is - saturated >monounsaturated>polyunsaturated>trans. Never eat trans fat. Avoid all processed vegetable oils except olive oil (olive isn't a veggie anyway).

Aside from that, your body does have to get used to a new way of eating. And you need to do lots of research to make sure you're doing it right. Try using cronometer.com - they have a pre-set "paleo" option but I tweak my settings daily. Zoning in on perfection.

Another word on the whole fat thing. If you're morbidly obese then you may consider just concentrating on protein and carbs and getting all your micronutrients for a while, cutting back a little on fat. If you're not SERIOUSLY obese, then eat your fat. And research a lot.

You may one day decide to give up the milk/dairy after experimentation. I don't give up dairy but I rarely drink plain milk any more. When I do, it's whole milk or even half and half. I put heavy cream in my coffee.

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on October 31, 2013
at 09:39 PM

Hmm I tend to get MUFA > SFA > PUFA... Not sure how your PUFA is over your SFA unless you eat veggie oils and loads of nuts? I'm pretty curious about this too. Let's start a thread.

Oh, and to the OP - if it's a thing about non-dairy creamer being next to the free coffee at work? I had that situation and kept eating the non-dairy creamer for a while until it struck me that I could put my own heavy cream in the fridge in the break room. I also keep a big stick of butter in there :-)

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on October 31, 2013
at 06:43 AM

I've been curious if there is an 'optimal' mix of sfa/mufa/pufas. Are there any advocates out there of a certain ratio or amounts? I tend to go more MUFA > PUFA > SFA in my diet by default.

Edit: I haven't been tracking my nutrition in a while. It's clearly MUFA > SFA > PUFA now that I'm looking at it. I take it back! =]

3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on November 01, 2013
at 03:12 PM

Don't agree that you need to avoid fat if morbidly obese. Eating fat helps with satiety and helps your body rev up the metabolism to burn body fat. My 70 pound weight loss speaks for itself. When I reduce fat, weight loss stalls. Make sure it's good quality mono-unsaturated fat or saturated fat. Stay away from added PUFAs. Mct's in coconut oil are especially helpful. That non-dairy creamer at work if full of sugar and PUFA which work against your efforts to lose weight and improve health. Agree with taking your own heavy cream to work.

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on October 31, 2013
at 02:32 AM

Everyone reacts differently. Some have the low carb flu others just mild reactions. In my case I just lost weight, no ill effects as I felt like crap eating the way I had been. Seriously consider losing the non dairy creamer, try some coconut milk. Weaning yourself down or off the milk is also a good thing in my opinion. Otherwise it sounds like you are on the way to better health.

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