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Help me get rid of Derealization/Spaced Out Feeling

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 16, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Hi all, been paleo over a year and been having a problem with something called derealization. It's like looking at everything through a screen, a constant spaced out feeling that's not affected by diet or exercise. It started soon after I went paleo which cured every other problem I had a made my poops solid again... yay!

I've tried:

  • Low carb
  • High Carb
  • Mid Carb
  • Junk Food
  • 100% clean
  • No dairy
  • Complete elimination diet
  • Exercise
  • Supplemented everything

The only thing that seemed to help was epsom salt baths. Unfortunately I moved to a house without a bath shortly after trying this. According to the Internet, derealization is caused by your body detoxing and you need to help it along.

Has anyone had experience with this and has anyone successfully cured it?

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

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on June 17, 2013
at 07:36 PM

Hey are you a software developer? Me too! hehe

E3bbc0cdfcdea8560dfad23539175c2f

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on June 17, 2013
at 06:17 PM

I am slowly, very slowly, getting better. I'm pretty sure of this, 4-5 months ago, driving was very difficult, now it's much easier. Programming has also become easier since feeling more hereness.

E3bbc0cdfcdea8560dfad23539175c2f

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on June 17, 2013
at 06:16 PM

Hi paleot, yes I have, with kefir and VSL#3 several months ago, interestingly when this problem started to pick up...

E3bbc0cdfcdea8560dfad23539175c2f

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on June 17, 2013
at 06:14 PM

I've never taken meds or drugs, even when I was at my worse, not about to start now. Probiotics on the other hand seem like a good idea.

E3bbc0cdfcdea8560dfad23539175c2f

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on June 17, 2013
at 06:13 PM

Thanks Jessica, that's a good point with the foot soak, didn't think of that! I moved house 6 weeks ago and got a new job 3 months ago, no change, although I have been slowly improving it seems. Sauna's would be a good idea. Only depression, anxiety, paranoia, CFS and IBS which have now gone.

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

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on June 17, 2013
at 02:16 PM

also have you considered that it might be something in your house or immediate environment that is causing the spaced out feeling? have you tried sauna alternated with cold water? also have you gone through any thing traumatic, physically, mentally, that caused this depersonalization? I finally broke down after about 15 years of abuse and depression and definitely spent a whole year feeling VERY out of myself, patience and time are great healers :) I agree with everyone though, blood work, with follow ups, probiotics....

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

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on June 17, 2013
at 02:15 PM

do you have a small tub that will fit your feet? try an Epsom salt foot soak.

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

(1533)

on June 17, 2013
at 02:14 PM

Ive definitely felt a heightening of the ability to pick up on the vibrations of plants.

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

(1533)

on June 17, 2013
at 02:12 PM

also have you gone through any thing traumatic, physically, mentally, that caused this depersonalization? I finally broke down after about 15 years of abuse and depression and definitely spent a whole year feeling VERY out of myself, patience and time are great healers :) I agree with everyone though, blood work, with follow ups, probiotics....

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

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on June 17, 2013
at 02:09 PM

what part of the world are you in hardeepsura? they might be available from mother nature. I honestly wish that you were able to safely procure this in our society. it is extremely beneficial at low doses of 1gram or less dry weight (definitely not "trippin out maaan!" doses) and very safe, no side effects, less burdensome on the body then any pharmaceuticals. you can also look into growing your own supply, it will take some research but, try shroomery.org. I also agree that probiotics are extremely important, as well as SAUNA, very low carb, high fat, high green leafy veg, raw ovo lacto

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on June 17, 2013
at 01:02 PM

where would you get this from?

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on June 17, 2013
at 02:30 AM

Not that I am recommending anything illegal.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on June 17, 2013
at 02:30 AM

Honestly, that could work. Psychedelics can provide a real sense of safe, flowing engagement with the world. Though some people also _get_ derealization when they trip. If you try it, make sure you have a compassionate and trustworthy tripsitter!

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on June 16, 2013
at 09:02 PM

That's really great! Maybe a little bit more time to let the body fix last issues? Hope you can find some answer to this! And if you do, report back :)

E3bbc0cdfcdea8560dfad23539175c2f

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on June 16, 2013
at 08:24 PM

Before paleo I had CFS, IBS-D, Depression, Anxiety, Insomnia and Paranoia. Now I'm 99% awesome, more energy than I've had in my entire life, no depression, no anxiety, I sleep 8 hours a night and fall asleep within 10 minutes.

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Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on June 17, 2013
at 07:46 AM

I recently read something on probiotics that might be relevant

After the four weeks, those women who drank the probiotic milk had significantly different brain activity changes. Their task-related responses increased, and their activity within the sensory cortex regions changed, which was dramatically illustrated during rest periods. Their midbrain connectivity increased, which the researchers concluded probably explained their task-related response increases.

Their altered brain activity also illustrated changes in the brain signaling pathways for emotional responses among the women.

Also, this one on psychoactive bacteria -- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23139216

With the change in stool (1/3rd of which is bacteria by weight), maybe that could be related. Have you experimented with probiotics?

E3bbc0cdfcdea8560dfad23539175c2f

(15)

on June 17, 2013
at 06:16 PM

Hi paleot, yes I have, with kefir and VSL#3 several months ago, interestingly when this problem started to pick up...

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2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

on June 17, 2013
at 01:40 AM

honestly look into psilocybin.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on June 17, 2013
at 02:30 AM

Honestly, that could work. Psychedelics can provide a real sense of safe, flowing engagement with the world. Though some people also _get_ derealization when they trip. If you try it, make sure you have a compassionate and trustworthy tripsitter!

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on June 17, 2013
at 02:30 AM

Not that I am recommending anything illegal.

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

(1533)

on June 17, 2013
at 02:09 PM

what part of the world are you in hardeepsura? they might be available from mother nature. I honestly wish that you were able to safely procure this in our society. it is extremely beneficial at low doses of 1gram or less dry weight (definitely not "trippin out maaan!" doses) and very safe, no side effects, less burdensome on the body then any pharmaceuticals. you can also look into growing your own supply, it will take some research but, try shroomery.org. I also agree that probiotics are extremely important, as well as SAUNA, very low carb, high fat, high green leafy veg, raw ovo lacto

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(496)

on June 17, 2013
at 01:02 PM

where would you get this from?

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

(1533)

on June 17, 2013
at 02:12 PM

also have you gone through any thing traumatic, physically, mentally, that caused this depersonalization? I finally broke down after about 15 years of abuse and depression and definitely spent a whole year feeling VERY out of myself, patience and time are great healers :) I agree with everyone though, blood work, with follow ups, probiotics....

E3bbc0cdfcdea8560dfad23539175c2f

(15)

on June 17, 2013
at 06:14 PM

I've never taken meds or drugs, even when I was at my worse, not about to start now. Probiotics on the other hand seem like a good idea.

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62a1d1c6abef538616ebcb66c216b7b4

on June 17, 2013
at 12:41 PM

I agree with some of the above. Cubensis is our friend. The psilocybin will allow for you to see personal truths and drop the figment of this "reality." At least that is what it does for me. I also think it allows for me to communicate with plants, or them to communicate with me. But that is a different story.

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

(1533)

on June 17, 2013
at 02:14 PM

Ive definitely felt a heightening of the ability to pick up on the vibrations of plants.

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048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

on June 16, 2013
at 08:21 PM

The best way to know what could be happening would be doing comprehensive blood work and then post results, I'm sure many people would chime in and give some advice. Without blood work clues we can only guess and try things blindly and you seem to have checked many options already. My bet, if it can help, would be adrenal fatigue issues and probably low serotonin due to this that might explain symptoms. Are you under sever physical/psychical stress? Do you sleep well and enough? Also be sure you have proper hydration and sodium levels, and watch out caffeinated drinks.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on June 16, 2013
at 09:02 PM

That's really great! Maybe a little bit more time to let the body fix last issues? Hope you can find some answer to this! And if you do, report back :)

E3bbc0cdfcdea8560dfad23539175c2f

(15)

on June 17, 2013
at 06:17 PM

I am slowly, very slowly, getting better. I'm pretty sure of this, 4-5 months ago, driving was very difficult, now it's much easier. Programming has also become easier since feeling more hereness.

E3bbc0cdfcdea8560dfad23539175c2f

(15)

on June 16, 2013
at 08:24 PM

Before paleo I had CFS, IBS-D, Depression, Anxiety, Insomnia and Paranoia. Now I'm 99% awesome, more energy than I've had in my entire life, no depression, no anxiety, I sleep 8 hours a night and fall asleep within 10 minutes.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on June 17, 2013
at 07:36 PM

Hey are you a software developer? Me too! hehe

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