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Recurring depression no matter what diet

Commented on October 05, 2013
Created October 04, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I've been on a GAPS diet for maybe three months (it's paleo, but more restrictive, as it also eliminates things like nightshades, dairy, egg whites, etc). At first it made my depression almost miraculously better, but then I started having flare ups and now it's almost every other day that I feel depressed. And truth be told that this has always happened whenever I make a change in my diet. When I at first eliminated the three big baddies, sugar, grains and vegetable oils, it made a big difference, but after a while the depression just came back. Then I went full paleo/low carbs, then the GAPS diet, and now I am trying to stay as ketogenic as possible, as many people with mental issues swear by it. Whatever change I make always improves my condition at first, and then it reverts back.

It makes me think of those people who always lose weight when they first start on a diet, of whatever kind, but after a few weeks gain all the weight back. I can accept the concept that there is no such thing as a one size fits all type of diet that, as long as you stick to it, will always work. I understand that there's some trial and error involved and you just have to find out for yourself what works best for you - fine. I can also accept that maybe some diseases (namely mental diseases like chronic depression) may quite simply be incurable and it's not the diet's fault. What I don't understand is why changing your diet can, for the duration of a few days/weeks have the power to improve a chronic illness that you've battled all your life, and then stop.

I suppose the answer could be that in that case I should just keep changing what I eat? What I don't know is a) why this happens (does anyone have any theories?) and b) how to keep changing my diet within the limitations set both by my budget (which is very limited and does not alow me to buy varied and expensive food) and also by the paleo rules. Any thoughts or similar experiences?

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on October 05, 2013
at 03:33 PM

"A correct diet is not the panacea for all ills, I'm sorry to say." - Blasphemy!

im off to assemble the lynch mob!

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on October 05, 2013
at 03:19 PM

Just saying, medication can be helpful when it does not respond to "traditional" treatments.

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on October 05, 2013
at 02:08 PM

Thank you for the advice. It's not helpful, but it was kindly meant. :)

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on October 05, 2013
at 12:52 PM

One shouldn't take it personally when one's wrong assumptions are corrected, and call the correction "anger". It's not an attack, it's a reply. In any case, it's extremely kind of you to be so helpful, thanks. I don't believe I need it, but it's something to consider. :)

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on October 05, 2013
at 12:46 PM

If anything, I would say that constantly tweaking one's diet as a way of keeping oneself distracted and mentally occupied is yet another symptom of depression, as obssessiveness tends to be one of its characteristics. That said, I would only consider that a worry if after much careful consideration I was still following the wrong diet and it made me worse. If, however, the end result turns out to be perfect health (as perfect as possible) I would have good reason to be thankful for my obssessiveness, and discouraging me from persuing this is not helpful.

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on October 05, 2013
at 04:07 AM

You didn't understand what I wrote. I didn't say it was dependent on objective problems. Whatever the cause, diet, chemical, emotional, physical or ? , having a distraction can take you away for a time from your ability to be focused on the depression. The things I mentioned were for use as a distraction. I submit that the temporary relief from the diet changes are not from the actual diet itself. I think you have somewhat proven that with the short term transient benefit provided. It is a possible scenario, don't dismiss it out of hand because you think I don't get it.

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on October 05, 2013
at 01:45 AM

Thanks for the info, I'm researching on it. :)

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on October 05, 2013
at 01:07 AM

that podcast states that gaba can be used to test for leaky brain, which is commonly linked with leaky gut? not sure if there are better/easier ways of testing assuming your not working with a doctor.

its a shame that depression is so ubiquitous, can be caused/fixed by so many things.

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on October 05, 2013
at 01:05 AM

yea that sounds like a pretty solid diet, not really sure. if i was you i'd look more into, like you said, gut issues, also brain issues(interlinked) aswell as hormone stuffs ^.^

recently listened to ThiS is a cast about brains(mostly fog) but it states that the brain can often become inflamed and not fix itself over time. also i know chris kressers site has a good amount on gut health. i also imagine general outlook and exercise and other fringe stuff may impact depression.

i cant imagine playing musical diets is the solution.(maybe a bandaid)

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on October 05, 2013
at 02:00 PM

A correct diet is not the panacea for all ills, I'm sorry to say. It's quite likely there is no nutritional/dietary cause of your depression, that it's simply is aberrant biology that you're not going to fix on your own.

What you describe really does sound like some sort of placebo effect or power of positive thinking phenomenon. You think the diet is going to help, so you perceive that it is helping for sometime. You begin to question the effectiveness and it fails. It's not diet. It's you, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. Seek out professional help.

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on October 05, 2013
at 02:08 PM

Thank you for the advice. It's not helpful, but it was kindly meant. :)

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on October 05, 2013
at 03:33 PM

"A correct diet is not the panacea for all ills, I'm sorry to say." - Blasphemy!

im off to assemble the lynch mob!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 05, 2013
at 03:19 PM

Just saying, medication can be helpful when it does not respond to "traditional" treatments.

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on October 05, 2013
at 05:52 AM

Listen. I battled depression my whole life, too. For the past two years I would lie awake every night partly because I couldnt sleep, and partly because I was trying to convince myself to overdose on my sleeping pills. I started paleo and made a valiant effort to be more positive, and my depression faded over the course of two weeks. You can do any diet in the world that's MEANT to fix your depression, but if you're still a pessimistic person, who cant look on the bright side of life, even with fixed serotonin and dopamine levels, then you're going to be depressed no matter HOW you eat. You can't just change your diet. A lot of depression comes from our thoughts and our mindset, regardless of the chemical imbalances. So get a therapist, don't cheat on your diet (especially if you have depressive tendencies), and start looking up positive quotes every day. It will help, and if you can start shaping your mind to not always think about the bad shit, then you will be on the road to recovery.

However its not like depression will just magically vanish... it's a thing that takes time.. tht takes changing the people you're around, takes having new interests in things, and takes an actual effort to make yourself stop being negative. Trust me, I've been through some bad shit, too, but I had to change my mindset. And you can too. Check out the books Primal Body, Primal Mind And Calming Your Anxious Mind

They will help with your endeavors. If you can't afford them, email me at [email protected] and I'll send you pdf versions or something. And please don't be so quick to anger on these forums. We're here to help you, so try not to be a smart alec, even when people may be misinformed. Good luck! You can do it. We can shape our bodies, and we can shape our minds too.

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on October 05, 2013
at 12:52 PM

One shouldn't take it personally when one's wrong assumptions are corrected, and call the correction "anger". It's not an attack, it's a reply. In any case, it's extremely kind of you to be so helpful, thanks. I don't believe I need it, but it's something to consider. :)

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on October 05, 2013
at 03:58 AM

This just shows misinformation about the illness. Depression is not dependent on objective problems in one's life, like the wrong job or a lack of a better hobby. It just influences how you feel. So you might, for instance, have a tough life full of obstacles but be able to enjoy it and love it because you're mentally healthy, or if you're depressed you could have the world on a platter and still end up killing yourself because you are quite simply unable to enjoy any of it. I'm not interested in using diet as a way to pass the time or to distract myself, but rather to solve my illness. I am on the right track, as evidenced by the fact that my symptoms are significantly improved (just sadness as opposed to suicidal ideation), I was just wondering if I was right in noticing that the moodiness and its frequency seem to increase as one's body adjusts to a new diet, because then keeping the diet changing could be a useful tool, and I was wondering how that might be done.

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on October 05, 2013
at 04:07 AM

You didn't understand what I wrote. I didn't say it was dependent on objective problems. Whatever the cause, diet, chemical, emotional, physical or ? , having a distraction can take you away for a time from your ability to be focused on the depression. The things I mentioned were for use as a distraction. I submit that the temporary relief from the diet changes are not from the actual diet itself. I think you have somewhat proven that with the short term transient benefit provided. It is a possible scenario, don't dismiss it out of hand because you think I don't get it.

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on October 05, 2013
at 03:44 AM

"What I don't understand is why changing your diet can, for the duration of a few days/weeks have the power to improve a chronic illness that you've battled all your life, and then stop."

Could be a distraction, that is you are so focused on initiating your new diet and maintaining it that you forget about what is making you depressed. If my sore foot is bothering me and then I wrench my back, I'll quickly forget about the foot issue. Seems like something else in your life needs to change and some new job, hobby, etc. needs to come into play. I'm no psychiatrist but that is my takeaway from your description. Personally I try to link everything to diet, but once in a while it can't be done. Best of luck with your healing.

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on October 04, 2013
at 11:27 PM

I eliminate sugar (with the exception of very small portions of pectine rich fruits like quince and prunes), vegetable oils (except olive oil, infrequently), corn, soy, nightshades, egg whites, all grains including rice; and eat every day organ meats (liver, kidneys and heart), meat, bone broth, fish, fish eggs, clams, cruciferous like brocoli and cabage, onions and garlic, clarified butter and lardo, egg yolks, carrots and cauliflower. I also take a tbs spoon full of apple cider vinegar before each meal, d3 drops, and a multivitamin. I am not worried about eating a "too" nutritious diet, as I'm acting on the assumption that I have a leaky gut, quite possibly with candida, and therefore am, if anything, leaking nutrients, and so am not going to suffer from too many vitamins toxicity.

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on October 05, 2013
at 01:05 AM

yea that sounds like a pretty solid diet, not really sure. if i was you i'd look more into, like you said, gut issues, also brain issues(interlinked) aswell as hormone stuffs ^.^

recently listened to ThiS is a cast about brains(mostly fog) but it states that the brain can often become inflamed and not fix itself over time. also i know chris kressers site has a good amount on gut health. i also imagine general outlook and exercise and other fringe stuff may impact depression.

i cant imagine playing musical diets is the solution.(maybe a bandaid)

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on October 05, 2013
at 01:07 AM

that podcast states that gaba can be used to test for leaky brain, which is commonly linked with leaky gut? not sure if there are better/easier ways of testing assuming your not working with a doctor.

its a shame that depression is so ubiquitous, can be caused/fixed by so many things.

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on October 04, 2013
at 11:07 PM

might want to be a bit more specific as to what your dietary practices are, and which foods you include. if a defficiency is the cause of the issue i wouldnt imagine cutting out bad foods would fix having a lack of nutrients.

also you may be following an unhealthy diet if your

"and now I am trying to stay as ketogenic as possible"

your supposed to refeed on ketogenic diets, long term without carbs isnt too ideal for the body.

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