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Please Hack my Plaque

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Created March 30, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Around the time I started eating a paleo diet (including small amounts of dairy + a little sourdough rye bread and crackers some of the time) I started taking care of my gums regularly. I had bleeding gums for some 20 years and got my teeth cleaned infrequently. Then, for the last year I???ve been: getting teeth cleaned every 3 month. using dental floss or a dental toothpick daily. brushing with baking soda or toothpaste with no fluoride. oil pulling. Presto! No bleeding gums. But, I went to the dentist last week and she said I had a ton of plaque (and a cavity too). It???s only been 2 ?? months since I last got it cleaned. WTF? Second, it???s been 2 ?? months since I???ve been going out with someone new. (I???ve been a little negligent during that time with my flossing, oil pulling etc.) John Durant just linked to an article http://www.hunter-gatherer.com/blog/more-reasons-date-paleo that claims that we can get cavity-causing bacteria from someone else. The guy I???ve dating has been so patient with my unusual diet that I don???t want to tell him to go clean his teeth and start flossing. So my questions are this: I???ve always produced a lot of plaque. Why does this happen in the first place and is there any way to hack this? Any thoughts on what to do with the boyfriend situation? Has anyone had similar experience? Getting rid of him definitely not an option :) BTW, don't know if it's related, but I drink a teaspoon or two of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water with a straw - daily.

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on August 02, 2012
at 06:41 PM

Upon re-reading Richard Nikolay's accounts, he emphasized that for this to work, you need to also take the fermented cod liver oil by Green Pastures. I've been on that cod liver oil for several years. Perhaps that's why I had such great results.

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on March 31, 2011
at 07:37 AM

I'll try taking extra D3, but in tablet form, which is what I have at home.

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on March 30, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Have you considered an electric toothbrush? I think that also made a huge difference for me.

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on March 30, 2011
at 06:16 PM

Glad to cause a giggle. I have been brushing regularly, just not flossing and oil pulling as much as a few months ago. But until a year ago, I wasn't doing anything but brushing, so I have great expectations!

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on March 30, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Still quite a lot of plaque with vit D being @ 63 units. Cause (probably) ? Inulin supplementation (inulin is quite sweet and tends to "grab" the teeth somehow. I always had this sticky feeling on them after ingesting inulin) plus toothbrush ban (I know but tigers don't floss, right ?).

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on March 30, 2011
at 04:41 PM

Sorry Kelly, no eBay here.

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on March 30, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Still need to supplement with D3. Get a brand that uses olive oil as the carrier...not soybean oil or some other industrial oil.

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on March 30, 2011
at 02:54 PM

P.S. The title of your post made me giggle. :)

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on March 30, 2011
at 02:49 PM

I take 1/2 teaspoon of fermented cod liver oil and 1/2 teaspoon of butter oil every day. I thought I had those things covered. Plus, I cook about a pound/half kilo of liver every few weeks and eat all of it over a few days. Rami Nagel claims liver is the one food that helps the most... but maybe he's talking about cavities, not gums.

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on March 30, 2011
at 02:46 PM

I've never been a soda drinker, and I did brush before I left, but I don't think it makes a difference. Plaque builds up over time. Brushing would just have removed traces of the last meal.

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

After 24 hours, plaque hardens into tartar. So if you're negligent for even one day you will get some buildup. I had a situation with gingivitis a couple years ago. My dentist told me the amount of plaque produced is hereditary, and based on your body will build up either your gums or your teeth. This is just a guess, but since your gum health improved, maybe the plaue was just more noticeable on your teeth. It is also possible that your mouth is trying to protect your teeth from the acid by producing more plaque. In my case, I bought a Waterpik and used it every night, the gingivitis cleared up right away.

2cdd1c775683f760390d80cdb984fc13

on March 30, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Have you considered an electric toothbrush? I think that also made a huge difference for me.

Medium avatar

(3029)

on March 30, 2011
at 06:16 PM

Glad to cause a giggle. I have been brushing regularly, just not flossing and oil pulling as much as a few months ago. But until a year ago, I wasn't doing anything but brushing, so I have great expectations!

2cdd1c775683f760390d80cdb984fc13

on March 30, 2011
at 02:54 PM

P.S. The title of your post made me giggle. :)

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on May 16, 2013
at 03:19 PM

Just to clarify some terms here because I see a lot of confusion; dental plaque is a bacterial buildup, a biofilm of bugs that grows on your teeth all the time. Dentists recommend brushing and flossing daily to disturb this biofilm and prevent the damage (gum disease and tooth decay) that it can cause. Some foods fuel the plaque action more than others and a paleo diet is a pretty good one for starving your dental plaque, all in all. If you have plaque on your teeth then you need to brush and floss, and that will get it off if you do it properly and thoroughly. The stuff that many people get on the backs of their lower front teeth (and elsewhere) is calculus, aka tartar. It's really hard to remove by yourself (sometimes it's really hard to remove even with all the right equipment). It's formed from minerals that precipitate out of your saliva, and your tendency to get it will depend largely on hereditary factors as well as your oral hygiene. It has nothing to do with smoking. Smokers tend to get gum disease more because their smoking leads to a poorer blood supply to their gums. If you are aware that you have calculus on your teeth and none of the interesting and novel methods mentioned above are working for you, then you should really get it removed professionally because it's horrible for your gum health, generally speaking.

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on August 02, 2012
at 04:09 PM

Perfectly clean teeth with vitamin K2. I've stopped going to the dentist for teeth cleaning altogether. Adding vitamin K2 -- the MK-4 from Thorne Labs -- cleaned the calcified krud off the back of my lower front teeth in 2 days! Truly amazing! Now my teeth are smooth and clean all the time. I just brush my teeth once a day (I don't drink coffee or tea, no stains.) I'm saving good money without the dentist 2x year. I learned about it from Richard Nikolay at Free the Animal. (Read down near the bottom) The vitamin K2 is a hard to get vitamin, even if you eat the best pastured eggs, butter and organ meats. It's the 'X-Factor' that Dr. Weston A. Price discovered. It puts the minerals where they are supposed to go, instead of calcifying your arteries and joints. Be sure to get the MK-4 version of vitamin K2. And even though the Thorne bottle costs alot up front, you only need several drops a day -- so the bottle will last you all year. Bottomline: if we get all the nutrients we really need, our body should be clean and smell good -- like all primitive people were.

More: read Chris Masterjohn on Vitamin K2. More: read Stephen Guyenet on Vitamin K2.

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on August 02, 2012
at 06:41 PM

Upon re-reading Richard Nikolay's accounts, he emphasized that for this to work, you need to also take the fermented cod liver oil by Green Pastures. I've been on that cod liver oil for several years. Perhaps that's why I had such great results.

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on March 30, 2011
at 11:41 PM

If you haven't followed the links to Whole Health Source, then I recommend it. I find this to be the most helpful article:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/reversing-tooth-decay.html

Guyenet concisely summarizes the takeaway points at the end of the post, so its probably best just to read it.

Normally, as a person posting I would reread it and formulate the relevant bits as my comment, and in this case I'd say that the person who highlighted calcium might be right. (I have a plaque issue too, which helped me realize that I need to consume more calcium and organ meats.) But I say read the article because it might mention a little something that reminds you of food that you either eat but shouldn't, or don't eat but ought to.

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on March 30, 2011
at 02:36 PM

Do you supplement with Vitamin D3? Drs Mellanby discovered, in addition to all the other health benefits, that plaque buildup and tooth decay will be reduced if not eliminated by supplementation with Vit D3 and by our paleo diet.

Dr Price also was able to reduce the incidence of cavities by diet.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/12/dr-mellanbys-tooth-decay-reversal-diet.html

Not only did the Mellanbys discover vitamin D and end the rickets epidemic that was devastating Western cities at the time, they also discovered a cure for early-stage tooth decay that has been gathering dust in medical libraries throughout the world since 1924.

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on March 30, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Still need to supplement with D3. Get a brand that uses olive oil as the carrier...not soybean oil or some other industrial oil.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on March 30, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Still quite a lot of plaque with vit D being @ 63 units. Cause (probably) ? Inulin supplementation (inulin is quite sweet and tends to "grab" the teeth somehow. I always had this sticky feeling on them after ingesting inulin) plus toothbrush ban (I know but tigers don't floss, right ?).

Medium avatar

(3029)

on March 30, 2011
at 02:49 PM

I take 1/2 teaspoon of fermented cod liver oil and 1/2 teaspoon of butter oil every day. I thought I had those things covered. Plus, I cook about a pound/half kilo of liver every few weeks and eat all of it over a few days. Rami Nagel claims liver is the one food that helps the most... but maybe he's talking about cavities, not gums.

Medium avatar

(3029)

on March 31, 2011
at 07:37 AM

I'll try taking extra D3, but in tablet form, which is what I have at home.

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on March 31, 2011
at 01:22 PM

I also really recommend you checking out Rami Nagel's info at: Cure Tooth Decay. He talks about plaque, cavities, etc. Very useful stuff. He also takes on some of the misconceptions about tooth health and bacteria.

http://www.curetoothdecay.com/Tooth_Decay/tooth_decay_overview.htm

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on March 30, 2011
at 03:55 PM

Before quitting smoking, I used to have a lot of plaque!! It reduced even more when I went paleo :-)

Isn't this a calcium imbalance? Not that you're taking in too little calcium, just taking in too little of the other stuff?

I'm sorry, I can't remember where I read this, but I'm sure it's something to do with WAPF (don't quote me though!).

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on March 30, 2011
at 02:54 PM

I am assuming you would have mentioned any new medications, so the build up is likely from your admitted negligence, and not your new boyfriend. The best possible thing you can do for your plaque build up is to purchase a fairly inexpensive ($25) Oral-B Vitality tooth brush and brush for at least two minutes every morning and every night. I promise you, your next visit to the dentist will be more pleasant.

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on March 30, 2011
at 02:19 PM

Acid can wear away enamel, but if you were drinking any soda at all before your paleo time, it would've been much much worse. The only thing I can think of - did you brush before you went to the dentists? I always try to do so, but if you've got a whole days buildup in there she may just notice it more, especially if you haven't been as rigorous lately and your mouth bacteria were used to being swept away on a regular basis.

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on March 30, 2011
at 02:46 PM

I've never been a soda drinker, and I did brush before I left, but I don't think it makes a difference. Plaque builds up over time. Brushing would just have removed traces of the last meal.

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on March 30, 2011
at 04:20 PM

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Sorry Kelly, no eBay here.

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