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Your best answer to the "caveman died young" argument?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 08, 2010 at 2:16 AM

I see this argument coming back time and time again, but it's still one I have trouble with sometimes. It seems to be somewhat the last excuse people use to judge that the Paleo diet can't be this good.

My general answer is that age of death is a median and that in the paleolithic era a lot of children died at birth or shortly thereafter and that a lot of people died of accidents, injuries or infections, thus skewing the median age of death. I go on an say that today we have emergency services and we are able to sustain sick people for a long time with no regard for their quality of life.

I also explain that people didn't die of heart attacks, diabetes, obesity... But instead stay active until the very end.

So, what's your best counter argument to this annoying excuse that we shouldn't eat like caveman since he died young?

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on November 10, 2013
at 05:21 PM

You're right John, but this isn't something I'd want to say to a close friend or family member who could really benefit from learning about Paleo. I find it best just to show them some articles on the matter, and most come around.

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on June 18, 2013
at 05:09 PM

It is mean to correct statisticians!!!

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on June 18, 2013
at 02:34 PM

Specifically, the median is the RIGHT statistic to use if you want to get across how old the "usual" person was when they died. Mean is the statistic that's distorted by deaths of very young children.

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on November 21, 2012
at 11:16 AM

But of course, if you take a house cat and feed it a cat version of the SAD, they get the same diseases we do: diabetes, obesity, etc. If you take that same house cat and don't feed it grains, but rather appropriate meats, you find a perfectly healthy long living cat. That's what we're the analogs of: domesticated humans being fed crap, discovering that we're being fed crap and returning to a more appropriate diet.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 21, 2012
at 11:14 AM

Yup, it's after all about survival of the fittest. "Mother" Nature isn't this fluffy loving all wise rainbow pooping vegan goddess - think more along the characteristics of Kali. Those that aren't adapted and can't quickly adapt, are culled off and quickly. If you simply look at the life span of feral cats vs house-kept cats, the wild ones live 4-5 years (even without Animal Control Services), while the house cats about 12-15 if not longer. Removing predators, competing members of the same species, parasites, infections, and malnutrition does tend to lengthen one's life.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 21, 2012
at 11:07 AM

Yup, whenever you hear the "alkaline/acidic" diet nonsense, it's a clear indication of pseudo-science. Sounds like science, but smells of bull excrement.

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on July 23, 2012
at 04:07 PM

I give you an A+.

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on July 23, 2012
at 01:37 PM

Troll alert! By the way, if you enjoy that diet, then I am happy for you and wish you the best of luck.

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on July 23, 2012
at 12:46 PM

haha.. thanks for pointing that out. Healthy Vegan here! So glad we evolved past the Flinstone era! ;)

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:12 AM

You're not an idiot, just....different.

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:09 AM

Funny thing is, you don't see Taubes, Cordain and Sisson going back to those paleo ways...PIDOs (paleo in diet only)...

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:07 AM

So much drama. I think worms, infections and viruses killed more of them than lions, tigers and bears.

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:04 AM

I'd argue for sanitation first, medical treatment second (which is what reduced infant mortality). Hospitals showed up pretty late in history.

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on June 03, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Longevity statistics from 9000 years ago are sketchy...it's hard to buy into the shorter lifetime argument. And while childhood obesity has been increasing at alarming rates for the last 30 years, what does this have to do with 9000 years of farming? Why now and not 1500 years ago?

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on June 03, 2012
at 01:46 AM

If cave women didn't live into their 60's where did menopause come from?

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on December 23, 2011
at 10:17 AM

Neanderthal fossils have been found with healed fractures, so families probably nursed and fed sick people, much as they do now when there is no doctor around. Rest and sleep will cure a lot of illnesses!

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on December 23, 2011
at 10:15 AM

Neanderthal fossils have been found with healed fractures, so people probably fed and nursed sick people. An awful lot of illnesses can be cured by rest and sleep!

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on December 23, 2011
at 07:50 AM

I'm tired of people getting high and mighty about their Paleo lifestyles towards other people. Yes, I eat Paleo. But I don't tell other people that they are stupid for not doing it. That's just rude.

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on December 23, 2011
at 01:36 AM

No. Body comp is mostly (I'd say 90%) diet and sleep. Working out is only a small part of it. I only work out 10 minutes a day. If anything working out a lot goes against good body comp goals.

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:43 PM

wow this was an old answer :)

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:41 PM

isn't the body composition more a symbol for how often you lift weights/exercise? A vegan bodybuilder can use the same argument.

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:16 PM

John, I even get snarkier, I pull up my shirt, point to my abs and say "are you giving me nutrition advice?" Though I only do that to the really obnoxious people who won't just let me enjoy my food in peace.

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:15 PM

It's not median, it's mean. But you're right, a lot of infant mortality and death from infections are included in that average. It's generally accepted, that once you survived childhood you'd live a pretty long time. And even if they all did die at 30, who's to say why, it doesn't have to be the result of their diet.

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:12 PM

The word infection in this context would be diseases such as diptheria, strep throat, whooping cough, etc., that without modern antibiotics had a high death rate. Mothers frequently died in childbirth.

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on November 08, 2010
at 11:40 PM

PFW, thank you for the pdf link to the study. It will be interesting reading.

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on July 15, 2010
at 05:23 PM

such an illogical, retarded statement merits a glib response, idiot

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on July 14, 2010
at 05:35 PM

What a brilliant, insightful response. And I see you've specifically addressed all my points, too. Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment.

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on July 13, 2010
at 09:57 PM

then you are a moron

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on July 12, 2010
at 08:48 AM

Thanks for pointing out this paper, it looks very complete.

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on July 10, 2010
at 11:35 AM

Another good line that I have resorted to once or twice in moments of exasperation is: "Look at my body, look at yours, and then tell me that there's something seriously wrong with my dietary choices."

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on July 09, 2010
at 05:49 PM

You only get antibody protection after you have been infected, it takes about a week to develop. Many diseases can kill in less than a week. Also people often died from accidents because of resulting infections not the original trauma.

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on July 09, 2010
at 04:46 AM

How do you know that paleolithic people died of infections? How does that make sense. What was there to infect them that they did not already have antibodies to from living in that environment. It's unnatural living that leads to infections. I'm not saying we can achieve this today, but it makes no sense that they would have died from anything but accidents. Modern life expectancy is more than in past agricultural times, but is nothing compared to the age I believe prehistoric people lived to.

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on July 08, 2010
at 06:27 PM

I bumped Mike's comment up because I agree, but this answer is the one I'd give, LOL! I just designed a new Paleo t-shirt along these same lines. ;)

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on July 08, 2010
at 04:18 PM

that would depend on if their 'diet' at the time of crash was 'alcohol'

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Cbf9ad6e645dc8d655259658fc972e58

on July 08, 2010
at 05:50 PM

"Hey, if you don't like the paleo idea, go ahead and keep eating crap. I don't care."

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on July 08, 2010
at 06:27 PM

I bumped Mike's comment up because I agree, but this answer is the one I'd give, LOL! I just designed a new Paleo t-shirt along these same lines. ;)

Cbf9ad6e645dc8d655259658fc972e58

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on July 10, 2010
at 11:35 AM

Another good line that I have resorted to once or twice in moments of exasperation is: "Look at my body, look at yours, and then tell me that there's something seriously wrong with my dietary choices."

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20898)

on December 22, 2011
at 08:16 PM

John, I even get snarkier, I pull up my shirt, point to my abs and say "are you giving me nutrition advice?" Though I only do that to the really obnoxious people who won't just let me enjoy my food in peace.

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(1453)

on December 22, 2011
at 08:41 PM

isn't the body composition more a symbol for how often you lift weights/exercise? A vegan bodybuilder can use the same argument.

510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20898)

on December 23, 2011
at 01:36 AM

No. Body comp is mostly (I'd say 90%) diet and sleep. Working out is only a small part of it. I only work out 10 minutes a day. If anything working out a lot goes against good body comp goals.

1321554fbe74ad09e97c6e8c354021cc

(524)

on December 23, 2011
at 07:50 AM

I'm tired of people getting high and mighty about their Paleo lifestyles towards other people. Yes, I eat Paleo. But I don't tell other people that they are stupid for not doing it. That's just rude.

A2301f8606e5416d56bdfbb6d3e13132

on November 10, 2013
at 05:21 PM

You're right John, but this isn't something I'd want to say to a close friend or family member who could really benefit from learning about Paleo. I find it best just to show them some articles on the matter, and most come around.

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on July 09, 2010
at 11:52 AM

Your answer is good enough if it's just a dinner party sort of back and forth. The people tossing out that attack aren't really thinking about it, so your response will probably overwhelm them. Its only weakness is that it validates their statement by responding to it directly; you can also simply question where they heard that number and if they've ever validated it. Since no one actually has, this gives you an opportunity to insert your own research to fill the void.

http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/papers/GurvenKaplan2007pdr.pdf

Basically, modern industrial societies beat out modern HGs by a decade or so, likely due to modern medicine. That's a far cry from modern Americans living to 70 and cavemen dying at 40, and disarms the thrust of their argument, which is that cavemen died before manifesting the diseases of civilization.

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on July 12, 2010
at 08:48 AM

Thanks for pointing out this paper, it looks very complete.

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on November 08, 2010
at 11:40 PM

PFW, thank you for the pdf link to the study. It will be interesting reading.

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on July 08, 2010
at 04:49 PM

"Caveman did not die young, he was killed young - by traumatic birth, animal threats, accidents, or a jealous boyfriend (ever wonder why you hesitate to ask a girl out?)."

The caveman lifespan was as long as ours or longer.

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:07 AM

So much drama. I think worms, infections and viruses killed more of them than lions, tigers and bears.

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on July 08, 2010
at 07:28 AM

"If someone is killed in a car smash - does it mean their diet was to blame?"

It is as logical as saying that a cave man who died of, say, a fall from a tree when there were no emergency services to call on died because his/ her diet was faulty.

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on July 08, 2010
at 04:18 PM

that would depend on if their 'diet' at the time of crash was 'alcohol'

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on December 23, 2011
at 04:28 AM

This is my response verbatim regarding my English teacher's response to my argumentative essay about the benefits of the Paleo diet towards t2 diabetes: "the argument that they only lived to 30-40 years is a misconception, average life expectancy at birth (higher rates of death in childhood brings the average way down) does not mean that most people died at 30-40 years of age. ??It is the same as saying that 'the average human has one testicle and one ovary', it is likely that no one is average in that regard."

It was more of a spontaneous response and not a research based one, he did increase my grade however because of it.

43f469552cfd3be73fc88a9821b14986

on July 23, 2012
at 04:07 PM

I give you an A+.

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on July 11, 2010
at 04:29 PM

Ah! But old stone age man (caveman) didn't die young. He outlived his immediate successor, new stone age man (farmer), by about 65%. Take a look at these life expectancy statistics.

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on July 08, 2010
at 10:45 PM

Before 100-200 years ago average life expectancy at birth was low (roughly 30 years?) for everyone everywhere. I have read that in 18th century London it was about 18 years.

Eating a paleo diet does not prevent you dying of infection as a baby or as an adult or during childbirth. Probably half of children died before the age of 15 in both paleolithic and agricultural times, mostly from infectious diseases.

Modern life expectancy is largely due to sanitation, hygine and modern medicine (vaccination, childbirth care, antibiotics etc).

A paleolithic type way of eating healthy food, of which there are many varieties, is about staying "healthy" as best you can and avoiding preventable modern problems including obesity, diabetes and others.

In my opinion many traditional societies ways of eating are likely to be similar to a paleodiet in terms of these benefits, such as Polynesian, Okinawan, Cretan and others. It depends what suits the individual.

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on July 09, 2010
at 05:49 PM

You only get antibody protection after you have been infected, it takes about a week to develop. Many diseases can kill in less than a week. Also people often died from accidents because of resulting infections not the original trauma.

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on July 09, 2010
at 04:46 AM

How do you know that paleolithic people died of infections? How does that make sense. What was there to infect them that they did not already have antibodies to from living in that environment. It's unnatural living that leads to infections. I'm not saying we can achieve this today, but it makes no sense that they would have died from anything but accidents. Modern life expectancy is more than in past agricultural times, but is nothing compared to the age I believe prehistoric people lived to.

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:43 PM

wow this was an old answer :)

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:12 PM

The word infection in this context would be diseases such as diptheria, strep throat, whooping cough, etc., that without modern antibiotics had a high death rate. Mothers frequently died in childbirth.

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on July 08, 2010
at 11:58 AM

Our statistical longevity is primarily due to a decline in infant mortality

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:09 AM

Funny thing is, you don't see Taubes, Cordain and Sisson going back to those paleo ways...PIDOs (paleo in diet only)...

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:04 AM

I'd argue for sanitation first, medical treatment second (which is what reduced infant mortality). Hospitals showed up pretty late in history.

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on July 08, 2010
at 03:00 AM

These days we go to the doctor if we get sick, wounded, or infected. Cavemen died.

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on December 23, 2011
at 10:15 AM

Neanderthal fossils have been found with healed fractures, so people probably fed and nursed sick people. An awful lot of illnesses can be cured by rest and sleep!

559a1bf85bfe38a0fbbf56377c7278b4

(1548)

on December 23, 2011
at 10:17 AM

Neanderthal fossils have been found with healed fractures, so families probably nursed and fed sick people, much as they do now when there is no doctor around. Rest and sleep will cure a lot of illnesses!

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on December 23, 2011
at 06:07 PM

Once you meet modern day cavemen who are 70-80-90 years old you will not believe in that fairy tale any longer.

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on July 09, 2010
at 02:15 PM

Then again, evolution is not about optimization but comparative advantage. Grok didn't need to live forever or always be full of energy. He just needed to be able to scrounge his food when he needd it and make it to reproductive age plus a few years for provision for his offspring. I think that's the discussion to have: Was what we ate in the past, because it sprang from the forces of evolution, necessarily the best for us or was it simply good enough? This is no way posted to support the argument for the modern agri-based diet.

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on July 09, 2010
at 12:02 PM

I read it on the Internet.

Seriously.

That's how much we know about cavemen. What I do know is how I look, feel, and perform in all ways always

And I know what people rating standard health fare:wheat look...

Does it make sense that bad food gives me the body of an athlete and wheat the body of a slob?

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on July 08, 2010
at 11:42 PM

Jared Diamond calls agriculture (and this paper) "The Worst Mistake In The History Of The Human Race"

Our life expectancy went down when agriculture was introduced, not up. Diet had nothing to do with it going back up in the last century.

And you can't forget quality of life. Even if our life expectancy has gone up recently, we now have an explosion of diseases that were virtually non-existent in traditional societies. The gut reaction is to blame this on our longer life expectancy... until you remember that even children are becoming obese at alarming rates.

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on June 03, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Longevity statistics from 9000 years ago are sketchy...it's hard to buy into the shorter lifetime argument. And while childhood obesity has been increasing at alarming rates for the last 30 years, what does this have to do with 9000 years of farming? Why now and not 1500 years ago?

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on November 21, 2012
at 08:43 AM

I see no reason why the lifespan of a paleo would be any different to, say, an Andaman Indian. At least up until the tourist industry found them, that is. Many Indian Indians I know were born, have lived and will die without medical assistance. We boast we have a better diet because we live longer than they but, what if we too lived and died that way? I for one would have died at 51.

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on November 21, 2012
at 11:16 AM

But of course, if you take a house cat and feed it a cat version of the SAD, they get the same diseases we do: diabetes, obesity, etc. If you take that same house cat and don't feed it grains, but rather appropriate meats, you find a perfectly healthy long living cat. That's what we're the analogs of: domesticated humans being fed crap, discovering that we're being fed crap and returning to a more appropriate diet.

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on November 21, 2012
at 11:14 AM

Yup, it's after all about survival of the fittest. "Mother" Nature isn't this fluffy loving all wise rainbow pooping vegan goddess - think more along the characteristics of Kali. Those that aren't adapted and can't quickly adapt, are culled off and quickly. If you simply look at the life span of feral cats vs house-kept cats, the wild ones live 4-5 years (even without Animal Control Services), while the house cats about 12-15 if not longer. Removing predators, competing members of the same species, parasites, infections, and malnutrition does tend to lengthen one's life.

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:14 PM

Caveman died young because all of the women didn't shave their arm pits, legs and arms. Or Aliens.

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on June 02, 2014
at 12:33 PM

I thought I answered this a long time ago.

The best comeback to snide questions is to point how stupid they are. A 5 year old could give an intelligent answer to this. Bears, lack of toilets, no water treatment, no hospitals, starvation, exposure, no vaccines. It's all obvious.

So I guess my best answer is

"It's because you're a modern guy and they weren't".

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on June 02, 2014
at 05:25 AM

When you have no antibiotics or vaccinations coupled by the constant threat of being eaten by a bear, that's bound to cut anyone's life expectancy short

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on May 30, 2014
at 11:02 AM

It is completely true that a statistical average of peoples during the Palaeolithic era may have been approximately 30, but this does not mean it was normal to die at that age. ‘Cave men’ who survived past puberty had a great chance of being fit and healthy until they were 60-70 years old.

Based on evidence from existing hunter-gatherer populations and anthropological findings, child mortality is estimated to have been as high as 40%. As a hunter there was a high chance of injury and with little shelter from the elements, exposure and starvation is likely to have been common. See the example of a possible 10 person scenario to illustrate the point. Evidence suggests that our hunter - gatherer ancestors were in fact much healthier than we are now. It seems that pre - agriculture 10, 000 years ago there was little evidence of the diseases such as obesity, cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, cancer, autoimmune diseases, osteoporosis, acne, myopia, macular degeneration, glaucoma, varicose veins, haemorrhoids, diverticulosis, gastric reflux and gout. Our current high average lifespan is greatly influenced by the benefits of modern medicine. The current passing generation are reaching a record high average age, these robust individuals are from an era of ‘meat and two veg’. During the life of this generation, ‘whole’ foods where generally eaten, these foods came from nutrient rich soils and were grown locally, meat and milk was from grazed animals, food was rarely processed and sugar was an occasional treat. These people on the whole had far more active lifestyles than we do today which kept their bodies lean and muscular. I think it is wrong to assume that modern medicine can fix all the wrongs that a poor diet and lifestyle can create. With our modern diets full of refined 'junk', sugar and cheap meat is it likely that the next generation will live to such an old age? Just imagine what could be possible if we listened to the lessons of our ancestors’ good diet and life habits and reaped the benefits of modern medicine as well! Tomorrow’s ‘comeback’ is to the argument ‘But eating meat is bad for you (quotethe ‘china study’) and animal foods are high in fat which will give you heart attack!

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on November 11, 2013
at 02:29 AM

Cavemen didn't have antibiotics, advanced surgery techniques in sterile environments, a constant source of clean drinking water, constant threat that their food might be poisonous, constant threat of starvation, unreliable shelter to protect themselves from being fried in the sun or frozen in the snow, and getting eaten by a wild animal definitely cuts one's life expectancy short.

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on November 10, 2013
at 01:31 PM

@jac

Caveman is said to be way before Christ, and logically human life in bible is over 800-900 years old and if caveman before or about adam and eve, how could a human in a sudden from age about 40- 50 years old become 800-900 years of age. The ages recorded by some scientists is definitely incorrect.

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on July 10, 2013
at 11:21 PM

"My general answer is that age of death is a median and that in the paleolithic era a lot of children died at birth or shortly thereafter and that a lot of people died of accidents, injuries or infections, thus skewing the median age of death. I go on an say that today we have emergency services and we are able to sustain sick people for a long time with no regard for their quality of life."

Well, your answer is laughingly wrong.

Where in the name of hell do you think we would have access to the infant mortality rate of the Paleolithic Era? Where do you think we would have any data on the mortality rate of anyone from the Paleolithic Era?

When scientists state that cavemen lived an average of 25-30 years that's not a statement based on data from a "Caveman Census"; it's based on analysis of discovered remains, genius. Age can also be determined by observing the ends of the long bones. The appearance of the epiphyseal (growth) plate, along with wear and arthritic changes in the joints, can indicate age.

As for the Paleo Diet itself, the entire premise is idiotic. First of all, human evolution did not stop 10,000 years ago. Second, human cultivation of grain goes back at least 100,000 years based on recent archeological findings. Third, cavemen certainly ate more fruits and veggies than they did meat or were the tree mobile back in the Paleolithic? While the Paleo Diet calls for 2/3 of calories from meat and 1/3 from plant sources the fact remains that actual Paleo's ate the exact opposite.

I know. I know. These are facts and facts are pesky nuisances when folks have personal, emotional investments in otherwise bullshit hypothesis.

Nest, the "original" Paleo Diet (if you will) was focused on survival, not being healthy nor is it environmentally sustainable for the plant. It's expensive, time-consuming and laughingly restrictive.

Lastly, there is the proven fact that early cavemen in Europe ate human meat. Now, why would you possibly want to emulate that?

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on June 18, 2013
at 02:29 PM

If they ate the junk you eat, they'd of died even younger.

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on November 25, 2012
at 11:53 AM

Factors affecting the average life expectancy of cavemen include: poor shelter and clothing in a harsh climate; incidental deaths from encountering dangerous animals; higher infant mortality. All of these will drive the average down, but does not mean that the population is less healthy. Put a modern person eating SAD in a paleolithic context without modern luxuries and they will not live for very long.

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on July 23, 2012
at 04:07 PM

"You see any Saber-tooth Tigers around here bro? No? Yea, I haven't either."

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on July 23, 2012
at 01:20 PM

Mean life expectancy in the paleolithic was around 35. In 1900, world-wide life expectancy was 32.54.

Most of the advancement in life expectancy has come from modern and gestational medical advances. Most of which occurred from 1900 to 1950. Life expectancy is not a valid metric...

The other argument you get is that they see pictures of old Greeks and Romans who lived into their 60s.... Yes, the development of an upper-class increased the life expectancy for the privileged, not everyone.

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on July 23, 2012
at 12:43 PM

cave men ate little meat and ate it raw.. because they couldn't catch the animals that often, not to mention what meats they actually ate were rodents and fish (easier catch). Not to mention they ate alot of grains.. so why deny healthy grains and suggest too much animal protein.. tell me this- can you possibly stay alkaline with this diet. ??

I follow an 80 alkaline and 20 acidic diet to keep my ph in balance. I also eat 5o-75 percent raw foods.. Now that there is a more realistic life-time menu to follow.

This is a diet (too close to atkins) and it will see bad long term results, if it is not generalized on the amount of meat that is a healthy daily intake... and it makes no sense taking away smart health filled grains.

btw.. we ARE NOT cavemen! Duh! Would anyone really want to look like one??

It simply sounds like a 'diet'and seems short term, without an aim for lifestlye that has lifetime benefits..

All bodies need to follow the 80/20 rule to stay healthy period! And all people should consume a majority of their daily food raw.. it's the only way to receive all our foods benefits and antioxidants

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on July 23, 2012
at 01:37 PM

Troll alert! By the way, if you enjoy that diet, then I am happy for you and wish you the best of luck.

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(19413)

on November 21, 2012
at 11:07 AM

Yup, whenever you hear the "alkaline/acidic" diet nonsense, it's a clear indication of pseudo-science. Sounds like science, but smells of bull excrement.

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on June 02, 2012
at 05:53 PM

Saber-toothed tigers, yo.

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on January 11, 2012
at 12:11 AM

I'm confused, I'm a thin,fit,healthy vegetarian who eats most veg foods in moderation... why are so many paleo eaters so crazy sanctimonius? I'm an idiot no doubt, as I don't eat meat..

No doubt you are vaccinating your children... did paleo-man do that?

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on June 03, 2012
at 02:12 AM

You're not an idiot, just....different.

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on July 23, 2012
at 12:46 PM

haha.. thanks for pointing that out. Healthy Vegan here! So glad we evolved past the Flinstone era! ;)

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:09 PM

Infectious disease

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on December 22, 2011
at 08:06 PM

I read in a magazine that some scientist had found out that older people where left behind when the younger hunter and gathers moved on from their camps, if the older people couldn`t keep up with them. The older people were left behind to get killed by wild animals..

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on December 22, 2011
at 07:38 PM

Of course paleo man died young, he was on the menu for everything else. just remind them that they are Genetically identical to the people that lived back then yet they didnt suffer modern diseases and they dont have to either. Eating paleo isnt going to kill me. unless i die in a stanpede of horny old women because im the only old man that can still get it up.

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on July 09, 2010
at 04:42 AM

I don't believe paleo people died routinely of infections. Infections that are unable to be fought by the body are a result of poor diet. People were not crowded together so sanitation was not an issue.

There are researchers doing work now indicating that low/no carbohydrate intake coupled with fasting or less frequent eating leads to increase in lifespan. And the animals being studied age slower. So that an animal living twice as long that is actually 6 weeks old looks like it is 3 weeks old. Given that, how would you actually know the age of paleo skeletons? We're using our point of reference.

Extrapolate this to the bible. I'm not one to use religion to explain science, but I do view the bible as a history book. In the early part, very early in agricultural times, people were living to 900 years. Later the lifespans decreased until they approached what we are more familiar with. I believe that the recording of age was accurate and that prehistoric man actually lived hundreds of years.

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(30)

on July 13, 2010
at 09:57 PM

then you are a moron

485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

(2191)

on July 14, 2010
at 05:35 PM

What a brilliant, insightful response. And I see you've specifically addressed all my points, too. Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment.

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(30)

on July 15, 2010
at 05:23 PM

such an illogical, retarded statement merits a glib response, idiot

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on July 09, 2010
at 03:52 AM

http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/angel-1984/angel-1984-1a.shtml there is a decent chart that tracks life expectancy and a couple health markers over the ages. Not really an "answer" to the assertion cavemen lived shorter lives. But could be emailed to a doubter.

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on July 08, 2010
at 11:39 AM

The average lifespan of the Paleolithic human is a low number because of high infant mortality which influences the average. That's another one.

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on July 08, 2010
at 07:18 AM

Lots of nice answers in this video around 2:55 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFZoqmKf5M

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