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Why does dairy make me fat?!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 09, 2010 at 6:09 AM

I should probably be more specific; why does cheese make me fat?

I am a 29 year old mother of two, and I have lost about 20 lbs and 10% of body fat since going paleo in March. My weight loss obviously stalls and then begins to reverse when I am consuming any significant amount of cheese in my diet, though eating tons of ghee and a little heavy cream don't seem to have any detrimental effect. I also eat homemade kefir every day, and my body seems to thrive on it.

What's the deal? And any tips for avoiding something so evil and delicious? My kids eat alot of cheese, it is soooo easy, and so it is always around.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on December 22, 2013
at 08:45 PM

I like how you troll. But if you're not trolling you might want to read this, well at least the first paragraph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin , try it you might learn something.

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on February 18, 2013
at 09:32 AM

why does nuts make you fat? I know why dairy does, its insulinogenic and has hormones.

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on April 09, 2012
at 10:17 AM

@peter Really? How does that work when it's the signal to take nutrients out of the blood and store them in fat cells when there's too much blood sugar?

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on April 09, 2012
at 12:12 AM

Insulin does not lead to increased fat storage.

724ba4f39f7bbea7f74b45c0a79615f2

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on January 30, 2012
at 04:51 PM

Well, I think what Jake's saying is, are you no longer doing that when you eat cheese, or are you adding cheese to your normal diet? Most of the time when you add foods to your diet, it makes you less hungry and you cut other foods (lots of fat at lunch = smaller dinner), but because cheese is extra yummy and calorie dense, it can become more like a desert, where the amount you eat doesn't cause you to spontaneously consume less of anything else, or at least not proportionally (one cheese plate after dinner can > kcal at dinner).

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on January 30, 2012
at 11:08 AM

I just discovered sharp aged raw grassfed cheddar, and it is one of the most amazing things I've ever tasted, my kiddo seems equally enamored, this could be trouble. I'm trying to dole it out in very small amounts, so if he leaves any on the plate that I feel compelled to "clean up" it won't be a lot.

279700a1070c65fc144eceaa642dcbc7

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on January 30, 2012
at 10:17 AM

And I thought the new paleo lore was that insulin plays a minor role and food that makes fat simply is too rewarding... :)

9dce97b4c4762a78a577a11585eef8f2

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on September 13, 2010
at 05:41 AM

Thanks! Just what I was looking for!

1a8020e101199de55c1b3b726f342321

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on September 09, 2010
at 05:59 PM

Interesting, perhaps try some goats milk cheese for a bit, or another brand.

9dce97b4c4762a78a577a11585eef8f2

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on September 09, 2010
at 03:25 PM

But this is assuming the calorie-in, calorie-out hypothesis, which doesn't seem to stand up in my experience, ie. I can eat everything doused in lard/coconut oil/tallow and ghee by the spoonful and still lose weight.

9dce97b4c4762a78a577a11585eef8f2

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on September 09, 2010
at 03:10 PM

Right now it is raw, organic, sharp cow's milk cheddar.

1a8020e101199de55c1b3b726f342321

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on September 09, 2010
at 02:32 PM

What kind of cheese are you eating? It's not all the same.

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on September 09, 2010
at 02:40 PM

Dairy products can spike your insulin response, as mentioned in this hack. This can lead to increased appetite and more fat storage, as per carbs. Old time weighlifters used to guzzle milk just for this effect, and for the hormones. Heavy cream and ghee don't, as they are mostly fat.

Here's an article that seems to have some references and background on this.

9dce97b4c4762a78a577a11585eef8f2

(1239)

on September 13, 2010
at 05:41 AM

Thanks! Just what I was looking for!

279700a1070c65fc144eceaa642dcbc7

(144)

on January 30, 2012
at 10:17 AM

And I thought the new paleo lore was that insulin plays a minor role and food that makes fat simply is too rewarding... :)

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on April 09, 2012
at 10:17 AM

@peter Really? How does that work when it's the signal to take nutrients out of the blood and store them in fat cells when there's too much blood sugar?

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on April 09, 2012
at 12:12 AM

Insulin does not lead to increased fat storage.

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on January 30, 2012
at 02:34 AM

We are in the same boat. You want to eat "a significant amount" of cheese. Me, I want to eat lots of nuts. We both don't want to get fat.

You know where this riff is leading, right? You need to get real with cheese, me with nuts.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on February 18, 2013
at 09:32 AM

why does nuts make you fat? I know why dairy does, its insulinogenic and has hormones.

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1ec4e7ca085b7f8d5821529653e1e35a

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on September 09, 2010
at 12:24 PM

Cheese is pretty dense in calories. For example just 1 ounce of pepper jack cheese is listed as 100 calories on my package. If you are still trying to lose weight, and would like to eat cheese, you might want to note how much you are eating and/or count a few calories to make sure you aren't going overboard. Cheese is super good and it's so easy to eat a bunch of.

9dce97b4c4762a78a577a11585eef8f2

(1239)

on September 09, 2010
at 03:25 PM

But this is assuming the calorie-in, calorie-out hypothesis, which doesn't seem to stand up in my experience, ie. I can eat everything doused in lard/coconut oil/tallow and ghee by the spoonful and still lose weight.

724ba4f39f7bbea7f74b45c0a79615f2

(1968)

on January 30, 2012
at 04:51 PM

Well, I think what Jake's saying is, are you no longer doing that when you eat cheese, or are you adding cheese to your normal diet? Most of the time when you add foods to your diet, it makes you less hungry and you cut other foods (lots of fat at lunch = smaller dinner), but because cheese is extra yummy and calorie dense, it can become more like a desert, where the amount you eat doesn't cause you to spontaneously consume less of anything else, or at least not proportionally (one cheese plate after dinner can > kcal at dinner).

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on September 09, 2010
at 02:25 PM

To know exactly how much you are eating, and of what, including how many grams of protein, fat, and carbohydrates, you might be interested in logging and tracking what you eat.

www.fatsecret.com is very easy to use. There are other programs, such as fitday, dailyplate, etc.

Once you know exactly what you are eating, and how much of each macronutrient, it will be easier to determine what food or foods might be keeping you from losing weight.

Most of us are surprised when we see the real numbers.

All the best to you.

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D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on September 09, 2010
at 01:45 PM

As JakeA mentioned, it is calorie dense. Get the richest, tastiest cheeses for yourself (think Gorgonzola instead of string cheese), serve up as an accent to salad, chili, soup, or broiled on veggies. In other words, really enjoy what cheese you DO choose to eat so that you're seeking maximum cheese enjoyment from those calories.

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on December 24, 2013
at 01:58 AM

Dairy is intended to make little animals grow, and dairy promotes growth. In some people, that may mean from side to side rather than up and down. Annother factor is that you may be mildly allergic to dairy, and the inflammation from the dairy allergy is making your tissues puffy and bloated.

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on December 23, 2013
at 11:22 AM

Cheese is made of 70 percent fat, and most of that is saturated fat. Cheese usually has a high calorie content.

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on December 22, 2013
at 07:11 PM

Watch your intake of cheese. I personnally never eat more than 4 ounces a day, even if i would like to eat more, and most of the time, when i have cheese, it's just 1 or 2 ounces maximum. It's very high in calories and if you have a sensitivity to dairy, it can make your weight fluctuate.

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6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on April 09, 2012
at 12:14 AM

Cheese is very calorie dense. 100g of cheese is 400 calories.

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on April 08, 2012
at 10:50 PM

I notice you said tons of ghee and a little heavy cream. Cheese is made of the protein casein. It's just how you make cheese for the protein coagulation. It can be very problematic for some for this exact reason, concentrating the casein in this process; essentially, your mileage may vary in terms of tolerance to casein. If you have problems with casein, this is a good start. Butter contains insignificant amounts for moderately intolerant individuals, and a little cream may be alright. Other casein intolerant sufferers claim they do alright on heavy cream.

"If you have digestive difficulties, your gut may not have all the enzymes necessary to digest the proteins in casein. Avoiding casein is as simple as avoiding most dairy foods. If you eat raw dairy, note that raw cream contains casein, but that raw butter contains only very insignificant amounts of casein and tends to be better tolerated (unless you cannot digest fats well.)"

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5b0f25610421dc54a8373e7d3e4a0f94

on April 08, 2012
at 10:25 PM

Watch the movie "Fat Head"... It has helped me to realize that fat is NOT my enemy! Unfortunately, dairy is.

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5b0f25610421dc54a8373e7d3e4a0f94

on January 30, 2012
at 02:26 AM

I tend to avoid dairy in general, as it makes me gassy and congested. However, my wife and kids do fine with it... Lucky them! I recommend using only full-fat cheese if you are eating cheese, as any reduced-fat ones will be less satiating, and have a higher glycemic index. Most folks doing paleo already know that glycemic index and glycemic load are at least as important as counting calories. IMHO, if you just leave cheese alone and eat meat instead (bacon is my favorite cheese substitute!)you will be doing yourself a big favor.

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