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What are the Least Offensive Cheats?

Commented on October 01, 2013
Created September 30, 2013 at 3:17 PM

So obviously many people have small cheats here and there or do whole cheat days weekly. Every other day or so I tend to incorporate something small that i shouldn't have - green beans with dinner, white rice as a side, goat cheese on my burger patty (without the bun of course). I don't usually feel too guilty about cheating, but I'd like to still make the best decisions on what I am eating if I'm going to cheat. I'm not even sure that I'm making sense any more. Basically, out of the foods that we aren't supposed to have, is there things that are less "evil" to eat if you are going to cheat. For example, if I'm going to have grains obviously gluten-containing grains would be the worst, but is it better to have, say, rice than corn? I've heard that green beans are less horrible than pinto - is that true? Looking for things along these lines so that I can make the best decisions if/when i do end up cheating

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on October 01, 2013
at 06:45 PM

It is called Miyagi. It is not a chain, just a small place outside of Washington DC.

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on October 01, 2013
at 05:27 PM

Awesome! What's the sushi place? Is it a chain or do you happen to live in the South OC?

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on October 01, 2013
at 11:16 AM

I'm kind of a beer snob and I didn't think it was too bad. Then again, I did go into it expecting the worst so I guess I was pleasantly surprised. Also, I tried that pale ale, so I'm not sure how the other ones are. They make some fairly decent cider beer. Angry Orchard isn't bad.

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on September 30, 2013
at 07:27 PM

My sushi place -- I go so often -- actually keeps one in stock for me. And they bring it to my table when I show up -- talk about service. I do not have celiac's, but definately have a gluten sensitivity that regular soy sauce aggrevated. So there's gotta be some left in there.

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on September 30, 2013
at 07:25 PM

I've tried New Planet. If you have celiacs, I'd stick to hard liquors. Gluten free beer tastes like sadness.

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on September 30, 2013
at 07:24 PM

My best reason would be: Goose Island, Devil's Backbone, 21st Amendment, Founders, Avery, New Belgium, Duclaw, Bells, SweetWater, and Dogfishhead -- Just a small sample of a few of my favorites, all fairly large distribution chains.

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on September 30, 2013
at 07:21 PM

I definitely have a gluten sensitivity. I know this because a few times I have reintroduced gluten I have had allergic reactions (I have sever allergies that have disappeared since going primal) that are gone as soon as I eliminate the source of gluten. However, I have never had a problem with beer, so I have not cut it out. As for why -- I love beer, even more so than wine. Don't get me wrong, I love wine and in certain environments (like with fish or steak) nothing beats it. But I love beer, and especially the modern american craft beers.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:53 PM

I have discovered New Planet beer, which uses sorghum and brown rice syrup. Not sure how paleo it is, but it is truly gluten-free. A lot of gluten-free beer is altered wheat, but there are a few breweries that use sorghum instead. Also, cider beer.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:42 PM

I love this cheat discussion because it can be eye opening to someone in my situation. Without the weight loss motivation it can be easy to justify things I probably shouldn't and to cheat in ways I can't easily justify.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:41 PM

I am... I admit. I'm not trying to lose weight which, for better or worse, makes it easier to justify treats. I like to distinguish between treats and cheats though. Empty calories like sugar or rice is a treat. Antinutrients like peanuts or wheat is a cheat and I almost never EVER cheat on those. I did over-indulge in dairy at the end of last week and paid for it all weekend with gastrointestinal distress. I'm thinking of moving more to just butter and aged cheeses.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:37 PM

I indulge in wine almost daily (1-3 drinks) and liquors from time to time but not beer. Can you offer any justification for me to try adding beer in again? I do miss it but I stopped because it made me feel nasty and I attributed it to the wheat and/or carbination.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:34 PM

Peas and green beans are fairly safe legumes, containing fewer antinutrients than most. Potatoes are an extremely safe and healthy starch if you're dieting for health. If you're going ketogenic to lose weight then you'll obviously want to avoid them. For me, there's nothing cheat about potatoes. I try to replace rice with potatoes whenever possible in dishes but today's seaweed wraps won't go well with potatoes so I'll pick at the rice despite its emptiness.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:31 PM

Ah yeah I forgot to mention that. I'd like to think the fermentation also removes almost all traces of gluten. I'm not celiac so let's hope I'll survive eating the soy sauce with my sashimi. Wouldn't want to offend the chef! However, I'm looking into getting some gluten free to pack in my false leg.

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on September 30, 2013
at 05:13 PM

depends on you. I eat green beans and peas and don't think twice. Botanical definitions are a good way to compartmentalize -- but not all meat is equivallent, nor are all legumes.

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on September 30, 2013
at 04:45 PM

That makes sense. Thanks for the input!

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on September 30, 2013
at 04:45 PM

You make a great point on it depending on my "version" of pale. I'm trying to strictly stick to gluten-free and cow-derived-dairy free, and still forming opinions about legumes, starchy veggies, rice, etc. I guess that in my mind legumes, potatoes, and grains still count as cheats, but i don't feel as bad about them as if i had bread or cheese fries :).

I know you said that pinto beans are a big cheat, but i was just using them as a comparison. I guess my real question was: are there any legumes that aren't THAT bad?

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on September 30, 2013
at 04:33 PM

Re:2 if you are gluten free, make sure you get gluten free soy sauce. When I reintroduced soy sauce I got a reaction -- when I switched to gluten free I was fine.

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on September 30, 2013
at 04:00 PM

It also depends entirely on your own personal paleo prescription. For instance I don't count cheese in moderation to be a "cheat" - I also don't consider white rice to be a "cheat" though I try not to have it every day. However, pinto beans are so big a cheat I won't even touch them unless it's like a special occasion and my grandmother insists on eating at a Mexican place.

So the question is kind of loaded IMO.

All that aside:

#1 sweet cheat: Rice Syrup (it's almost pure glucose but clearly high carb)

#1 savory cheat: soy sauce (yeah, it's soy, but it's fermented and contains almost none of the bad stuff [I think - correct me freely])

#1 starch cheat: gluten-free breads. They're really not much worse for you than white rice if you get the right ones. On that rare occasion that you just need that texture, I'll have a little.

#1 evil cheat: Haagen Dazs Ice Cream. Yeah it has sugar and milk but it's pretty clean stuff otherwise. I eat a little bit every week or so.

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on September 30, 2013
at 04:45 PM

You make a great point on it depending on my "version" of pale. I'm trying to strictly stick to gluten-free and cow-derived-dairy free, and still forming opinions about legumes, starchy veggies, rice, etc. I guess that in my mind legumes, potatoes, and grains still count as cheats, but i don't feel as bad about them as if i had bread or cheese fries :).

I know you said that pinto beans are a big cheat, but i was just using them as a comparison. I guess my real question was: are there any legumes that aren't THAT bad?

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:34 PM

Peas and green beans are fairly safe legumes, containing fewer antinutrients than most. Potatoes are an extremely safe and healthy starch if you're dieting for health. If you're going ketogenic to lose weight then you'll obviously want to avoid them. For me, there's nothing cheat about potatoes. I try to replace rice with potatoes whenever possible in dishes but today's seaweed wraps won't go well with potatoes so I'll pick at the rice despite its emptiness.

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on September 30, 2013
at 04:33 PM

Re:2 if you are gluten free, make sure you get gluten free soy sauce. When I reintroduced soy sauce I got a reaction -- when I switched to gluten free I was fine.

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on October 01, 2013
at 03:34 PM

Found some amazing cheats (oat-free flapjacks, sugar-free chocolate cake, potato-free fries etc.) in Dr Stefanie Williams' book 'Future Proof Your Skin' and also on their website (www.futureproofyourskin.com). Can highly recommend both!

Just about to have some now actually... :-)

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on September 30, 2013
at 09:24 PM

I dunno, your 'cheats' don't really sound like cheats. I think the problem is with the word itself. Maybe if you look at those things as 'treats' instead. If you aren't having a reaction to them and if they aren't preventing you from reaching your goals then what's the problem? For me, a little chocolate (I prefer high percentage dark) or white rice can easily fit in my diet with no consequenses. A little gluten, not so much. So a piece of cake had better be pretty damn good if I'm going to eat it and suffer for it a day later. (That would be a cheat.)

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on September 30, 2013
at 05:51 PM

I love some dark chocolate squares from time to time. I have a wicked sweet tooth.

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on September 30, 2013
at 05:24 PM

I don't cheat. I created a baseline diet in my head and I hold fast to it. Of course something I eat may be considered a cheat to someone else but I resigned to it. A half serving of 90% dark chocolate a few times a week is not in my mind a cheat. However I feel a bit guilty so recently I've started to grind some Coca Nibs in a spice grinder and I the pure chocolate without the sugar. I'm a bit nutty about this stuff.

That Methodician guy is a big time cheater! LOL

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:41 PM

I am... I admit. I'm not trying to lose weight which, for better or worse, makes it easier to justify treats. I like to distinguish between treats and cheats though. Empty calories like sugar or rice is a treat. Antinutrients like peanuts or wheat is a cheat and I almost never EVER cheat on those. I did over-indulge in dairy at the end of last week and paid for it all weekend with gastrointestinal distress. I'm thinking of moving more to just butter and aged cheeses.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:42 PM

I love this cheat discussion because it can be eye opening to someone in my situation. Without the weight loss motivation it can be easy to justify things I probably shouldn't and to cheat in ways I can't easily justify.

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on September 30, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Honestly I don't consider any of those cheats. The only regular "cheat" I have is beer or wine, 3-5 drinks per week. An truthfully I don't consider those cheats -- that's just part of my diet.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:37 PM

I indulge in wine almost daily (1-3 drinks) and liquors from time to time but not beer. Can you offer any justification for me to try adding beer in again? I do miss it but I stopped because it made me feel nasty and I attributed it to the wheat and/or carbination.

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on September 30, 2013
at 03:42 PM

I know people hate answers like this, but it's probably pretty dependent on the person. For instance, if you cheat with some grass-fed cheese and then the rest of the day you feel pretty sick, but if you cheat with some green beans at dinner and you don't feel any different than you normally would, then I would say cheat with green beans.

Basically, it's most likely better to cheat with the food that causes the least-negative reaction. Unless it's seriously delicious, like dark chocolate, in which case cheat with that.

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on September 30, 2013
at 04:45 PM

That makes sense. Thanks for the input!

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