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Raw Dairy causing weight gain?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 14, 2011 at 11:32 PM

I added some raw milk, kefer into my diet which is normally 80% paleo. I feel really good adding some back into my diet, but cannot lose any weight.....I thought having some raw dairy would not make that much of a difference but it sure seems to. Anyone else experience this? I love having a glass of raw milk here and there and kefir for probiotics. I honestly did not think it would derail my diet this much! I cannot lose these last 8 lbs...!!

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on February 16, 2013
at 09:30 PM

damn you dairy. i've been doing a carnivorous diet with some butter/goat kefir and i've been wondering why i felt kinda tired. the dairy is causing some sort of inflammation

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on February 27, 2012
at 02:37 AM

Rich, yes to cream and butter, but I don't think ghee has that effect. I say that because when I went dairy-free about a year ago and dropped that 10 pounds, I was using ghee. Recently I went completely dairy-free again -- no ghee, either -- and didn't see any extra loss. So my guess is that ghee is fine. (I wish I could say that about cream -- I love it so!)

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on February 27, 2012
at 12:40 AM

Rose, does cream and ghee have that effect on you also?

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on September 04, 2011
at 04:07 PM

Good thing I am lactose-intolerant & stick to lactose-free kefir, cheese & sour cream, then!

7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on September 04, 2011
at 03:46 PM

The CLA won't make a difference if your insulin is spiked from the lactose and protein combo of milk. Milk is biologically designed to spur growth....

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on August 17, 2011
at 03:46 AM

Nutritionator, I DO NOT mean high intensity cardio, nor what others call "chronic cardio"...simply walking, cycling, or whatever you enjoy to be active for one hour without a break. By all means, don't do it if you don't like it. But I've had a 100% success rate with myself (former 300lb fatty and current amateur 1st place bb ing contest winner)...and with all of my clients who follow the plan. Before breakfast is a better time than later in the day too... but there certainly are other ways that work very well too. Quilt - for some, it certainly is...for those wanting to burn fat.. nope.:)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on August 15, 2011
at 03:24 AM

Milk must be rewarding huh?

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 15, 2011
at 02:39 AM

Kefir has very little lactose, so would be a better bet than the unfermented milk.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 15, 2011
at 02:38 AM

Kefir has very little lactose.

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

(1386)

on August 15, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Exactly. Just cut it out for a while and see how it goes.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on August 15, 2011
at 01:28 AM

Um, not that protein doesn't increase insulin, but I would think the lactose is a bigger issue for glucose/insulin spiking. Dairy does seem to be useful for gaining, as bodybuilders are well aware.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on August 15, 2011
at 01:02 AM

I have to disagree that an hour of cardio every day is the best way to lose weight.

89d6f9abf1af437fcfeb77d69c016ad7

on August 15, 2011
at 12:08 AM

I just didnt think it would derail my weight loss....but what you mention now makes sense. I will cut it out and see what kind of difference it makes. I starting drinking it again since I give it to my 1 year old.

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 15, 2011
at 12:16 AM

I have found, to my dismay, that having cream or other dairy in my diet on a regular (near-daily or daily) basis keeps me about 8-10 pounds over my ideal weight. When I drop the dairy, the weight just melts away. I've read several explanations for this (dairy raises insulin, or dairy causes inflammation in some people); I don't have an expert opinion as to what the truth is. I just know it keeps weight on me, too.

Having said that, I keep getting back on the moo cow anyway. ::shakes head::

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on February 27, 2012
at 02:37 AM

Rich, yes to cream and butter, but I don't think ghee has that effect. I say that because when I went dairy-free about a year ago and dropped that 10 pounds, I was using ghee. Recently I went completely dairy-free again -- no ghee, either -- and didn't see any extra loss. So my guess is that ghee is fine. (I wish I could say that about cream -- I love it so!)

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on February 27, 2012
at 12:40 AM

Rose, does cream and ghee have that effect on you also?

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on February 16, 2013
at 09:30 PM

damn you dairy. i've been doing a carnivorous diet with some butter/goat kefir and i've been wondering why i felt kinda tired. the dairy is causing some sort of inflammation

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095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on August 15, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Milk is the food that takes a newborn baby and turns it into a 20-30lb child in 2 years. It's also the food that takes a 100lb calf and turns it into a 1000lb cow in a year.

Outstanding recovery food for hardcore fitness pursuits (especially weight training but also for other high output physical efforts) if it fit's your own nutritional needs. Wonderful weight gain food for bodybuilders seeking to gain weight/muscle mass.

A good choice for fat loss? Not so much.

Want to get that last bit off?

10 calories/lb (of lean body mass if you are over 10% body fat) 60% fat 35% protein 5% or less carbs

Resistance training of course. 1 hour cardio every day (sprints every other day).

Watch yourself burn 1% body fat per week. :)

Good luck to you.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on August 15, 2011
at 01:02 AM

I have to disagree that an hour of cardio every day is the best way to lose weight.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on August 15, 2011
at 03:24 AM

Milk must be rewarding huh?

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on August 17, 2011
at 03:46 AM

Nutritionator, I DO NOT mean high intensity cardio, nor what others call "chronic cardio"...simply walking, cycling, or whatever you enjoy to be active for one hour without a break. By all means, don't do it if you don't like it. But I've had a 100% success rate with myself (former 300lb fatty and current amateur 1st place bb ing contest winner)...and with all of my clients who follow the plan. Before breakfast is a better time than later in the day too... but there certainly are other ways that work very well too. Quilt - for some, it certainly is...for those wanting to burn fat.. nope.:)

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4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

(1386)

on August 14, 2011
at 11:48 PM

Milk is not a good idea for weight loss, high-quality or not. The proteins will spike insulin and you'll get a boost in IGF-1 (a growth fctor). Whenever you boost a growth factor (anabolism), it's going to make it harder to do the opposite (catabolism).

If you have to do dairy, stick with the fermented kind as this reduces a lot of the IGF-1 effects.

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

(1386)

on August 15, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Exactly. Just cut it out for a while and see how it goes.

89d6f9abf1af437fcfeb77d69c016ad7

on August 15, 2011
at 12:08 AM

I just didnt think it would derail my weight loss....but what you mention now makes sense. I will cut it out and see what kind of difference it makes. I starting drinking it again since I give it to my 1 year old.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 15, 2011
at 12:21 AM

My n=1 experience is that I've been easily able to lose 15 lbs of body fat while eating plenty of dairy. 100% Grass-fed dairy has high levels of CLA which can help drop belly fat. Female, 125 lbs, 5'6", 48 yrs old.

I use IF for fat loss.

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_health_benefits.html

That said, if it causes inflammation for you it won't help fat loss.

Any protein can cause an insulin spike, not just milk protein.

If dropping the kefir doesn't help, you may want to address your 20%.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 15, 2011
at 02:38 AM

Kefir has very little lactose.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on August 15, 2011
at 02:39 AM

Kefir has very little lactose, so would be a better bet than the unfermented milk.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on August 15, 2011
at 01:28 AM

Um, not that protein doesn't increase insulin, but I would think the lactose is a bigger issue for glucose/insulin spiking. Dairy does seem to be useful for gaining, as bodybuilders are well aware.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on September 04, 2011
at 04:07 PM

Good thing I am lactose-intolerant & stick to lactose-free kefir, cheese & sour cream, then!

7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on September 04, 2011
at 03:46 PM

The CLA won't make a difference if your insulin is spiked from the lactose and protein combo of milk. Milk is biologically designed to spur growth....

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on August 15, 2011
at 02:37 AM

You could try butter and cream. Milk itself is high in Lactose...

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