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My grandparents lived in to their 80's and 90's and they ate grains

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Created June 08, 2012 at 11:50 AM

My grandparents lived in to their 80's and 90's and they eat grains and dairy. Can someone tell me what evidence there is that switching to the Paleo diet will make my life better?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on July 03, 2012
at 12:39 AM

This is actually a very good question. Don't get all defensive peeps! We need to be able to talk about why we think what we think or people are just going to think we are a re-enactment cult with knee jerk beliefs.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:03 AM

So yeah, feel free to talk with me again once you've thought about my questions, and what conclusions you came to.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 15, 2012
at 05:33 AM

FFS Chris! I already gave you some questions to think about. You didn't even bother. If you had thought about my questions you would have found the answer. Stop being lazy and use your brain. Once you do, I'll be more than happy to discuss with you. No point trying to help you when you don't want to help yourself. Farewell for now.

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on June 10, 2012
at 04:18 PM

http://i.imgur.com/JzTVJ.jpg

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 10, 2012
at 12:40 PM

Don't be alarmed by the silliness you'll find people saying on these boards. Don't eat too much food; be as active as you can be while remaining chilled out and unstressed; keep your brain active by talking and reading; don't sit at computers and TVs a lot. Basic stuff: *use your body and brain the way they're supposed to be used*! Eat unprocessed, whole foods as much as you can. If you gotta eat crap, don't sweat it. If you conduct yourself well in other aspects your body can handle less-than-optimal fuel.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 10, 2012
at 12:37 PM

ditto for my father's parents. Not only did they eat grains, they ate white bread daily - the crappiest one you can find. Thinking holistically though, is what matters to me: they ate small, well-portioned meals; they didn't pig out ever; they were active until they died; they made things like paintings, knitting, etc; they read interesting things; they only watched TV for about one hour in the evening; they ate balanced: bacon eggs toast for example. It's the whole picture. You can eat paleo but sit at your computer all day and you're not going to be healthy.

4c9076c15636143e8ad1bce3830c2012

on June 10, 2012
at 08:45 AM

Ok so now are you saying grains were ok to eat but now we shouldn't eat them?? All I'm trying to do here is found out what is actually ok to eat and live a good healthy life. I'm very interested in nutrition and health but everything you read about anything has so many conflicting reports ie: Milk is evil and full of nasty hormones, so I start drinking soya. Now I read that soya is high in omega 6!! Do you see where I'm coming from.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on June 09, 2012
at 03:18 AM

Did they prepare their grains well? Were they eating commercial pasteurized dairy (probably not consuming it for the entirety of their life?)

5e63e3fa78e998736106a4a5b9aef58c

on June 08, 2012
at 09:33 PM

I look at my own grandparents, and I think you're right. But I would also add that their eating habits overall--even with the inclusion of processed foods--were very different than those I see among people my age (45) and younger. They didn't eat mammoth plates of food. They didn't drink lots of soda or other caloric beverages. They didn't snack. And they understood that too much sugar and starchy foods would make you fat, so while they ate them, they didn't eat huge servings. They ate differently--not just different food.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on June 08, 2012
at 05:45 PM

The thing is, with all the high-tech infertility treatments, we have people that otherwise are not healthy/robust enough to procreate doing so anyway, and offspring will be suffering more and more as things go on. Sorry - I know that's extremely politically incorrect of me to say, but it's kinda true. If you ask me, we don't have an epidemic of *infertility,* but rather one of *fertility.* It's a mystery to me when anyone eating SAD these days *does* have a healthy pregnancy and a healthy, alert baby, not when they *don't.*

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on June 08, 2012
at 05:42 PM

STANDING OVATION!! Great answer. Totally agree - health problems and getting worse and worse with each successive generation, just like Pottenger's experiments showed. Sally Fallon (founder of WAPF) talks about "the natural selection of the wise" -- that is, people who understand the truth about the modern food supply and consume the things that keep humans healthy, strong, and FERTILE will be the ones who procreate successfully.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on June 08, 2012
at 05:02 PM

LOL - great answer Peter! Yeah my Grandpa smoked at least a pack a day from age 20 to his 80's when he died, using that same logic everyone should smoke!

32123f4f25bdf6a7b70c9c2a719386ed

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on June 08, 2012
at 04:17 PM

My Grandfather lived to 101 and my great grandfather lived to 102. My Grandfather was a farmer and was very healthy until he retired from the farm at age 80. One thing now one has mentioned about grains is that they are now very different than they used to be. The wheat that is grown has been hybridized so much in the last 50 years that it isn't even the same thing. Read "Wheat Belly" for a better explanation.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 08, 2012
at 03:49 PM

Because the OP has been posting a whole pile of questions at once that could have been answered by a very quick review of the site or simply googling paleo diet. They appear therefore to be challenges rather than genuine questions based on curiosity or desire to learn.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 08, 2012
at 02:48 PM

Some people smoke and drink and live to a ripe old age. That doesn't mean that smoking and rinking are good for you.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on June 08, 2012
at 02:21 PM

interesting thesis.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 08, 2012
at 02:09 PM

I did, he lived to be 93. He came from a long lived family, so I'm betting on genetics. His last years were pretty miserable though.

Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

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on June 08, 2012
at 12:37 PM

A better statement might be, "My grandparents lived in to their 80’s and 90’s despite eating grains."

Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

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on June 08, 2012
at 12:20 PM

What health were they in when they died? What did they die of?

1e443a3241f80129faa05125ce346e47

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on June 08, 2012
at 12:19 PM

This is a common fallacy: what people eat is only one factor, not the only factor... (this is a cum hoc ergo propter hoc argument, you can always look it up if you'd like to know more). There is a lot of evidence that switching to a paleo lifestyle can make your life better (just read one of the paleo books), this anecdotal 'evidence' isn't going to outweigh that. Besides, life expectancy isn't a very good criterium, how you felt during your life is.

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on June 08, 2012
at 12:18 PM

Sounds like a pretty compelling argument. I guess my own personal experiences with modern grains is invalid. Hello processed sh*t! here I come.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 08, 2012
at 12:10 PM

Who has a grandparent who smoke and drank all his life? And still lived to his 90s? Lots of people, I bet!

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6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on June 08, 2012
at 11:59 AM

My grandpa is 90 and he went to war. Therefore going to war is safe, and if you want to live to be 90 you should also go to war.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 08, 2012
at 12:10 PM

Who has a grandparent who smoke and drank all his life? And still lived to his 90s? Lots of people, I bet!

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 08, 2012
at 02:09 PM

I did, he lived to be 93. He came from a long lived family, so I'm betting on genetics. His last years were pretty miserable though.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on June 08, 2012
at 05:02 PM

LOL - great answer Peter! Yeah my Grandpa smoked at least a pack a day from age 20 to his 80's when he died, using that same logic everyone should smoke!

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B1076248dde479773e75044818e1878c

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on June 08, 2012
at 12:53 PM

I've always believed it's a case of Pottenger's cats. I recommend this book: http://www.amazon.com/Pottengers-Prophecy-Resets-Wellness-Illness/dp/1935052330/ref=pd_sim_b_3

The amazing thing that Pottenger found was that cats fed poorly over generations got weaker. This is a scary prophecy for us: our future generations will not only suffer our poor health...but get even worse.

Our grandparents probably got away with the new processed foods of the 50's/60's since their health and bone structure was strong from their traditional-eating parents (who still soaked and prepared grains properly). Our parents haven't been as healthy, but they've been able to tolerate most foods. Our generation is beginning to come apart at the seams (allergies, autoimmune explosion, autism, gut disorders, etc.). If we stay on the current diet (uh, recommended USDA pyramid/SAD diet), the next generation is even more screwed.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on June 08, 2012
at 05:45 PM

The thing is, with all the high-tech infertility treatments, we have people that otherwise are not healthy/robust enough to procreate doing so anyway, and offspring will be suffering more and more as things go on. Sorry - I know that's extremely politically incorrect of me to say, but it's kinda true. If you ask me, we don't have an epidemic of *infertility,* but rather one of *fertility.* It's a mystery to me when anyone eating SAD these days *does* have a healthy pregnancy and a healthy, alert baby, not when they *don't.*

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on June 08, 2012
at 05:42 PM

STANDING OVATION!! Great answer. Totally agree - health problems and getting worse and worse with each successive generation, just like Pottenger's experiments showed. Sally Fallon (founder of WAPF) talks about "the natural selection of the wise" -- that is, people who understand the truth about the modern food supply and consume the things that keep humans healthy, strong, and FERTILE will be the ones who procreate successfully.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on June 08, 2012
at 02:21 PM

interesting thesis.

5e63e3fa78e998736106a4a5b9aef58c

on June 08, 2012
at 09:33 PM

I look at my own grandparents, and I think you're right. But I would also add that their eating habits overall--even with the inclusion of processed foods--were very different than those I see among people my age (45) and younger. They didn't eat mammoth plates of food. They didn't drink lots of soda or other caloric beverages. They didn't snack. And they understood that too much sugar and starchy foods would make you fat, so while they ate them, they didn't eat huge servings. They ate differently--not just different food.

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19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 08, 2012
at 12:01 PM

Here's a thread: http://paleohacks.com/questions/33218/best-summary-of-evidence-of-harms-of-gluten-other-nads
And here's a link: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/

But here's some thoughts to get you started:
Well, what kind of grains did your grandparents eat?
Where did they come from?
How were they grown?
Were they fresh?
How were they cooked / processed?
How often did they eat it?
What else did they eat?

Now, what kind of grains does our generation eat?
Where does the grain come from?
How is it grown?
Is it fresh?
How do we cook it / process it?
How often do we eat it?
What else do we eat?

Some more questions. Think about these in conjunction with the above. Were they healthy? How were their teeth? Their eyes? Their bones?

A bit of creative thinking will get you the answer. It's up to you to figure it out now.

4c9076c15636143e8ad1bce3830c2012

on June 10, 2012
at 08:45 AM

Ok so now are you saying grains were ok to eat but now we shouldn't eat them?? All I'm trying to do here is found out what is actually ok to eat and live a good healthy life. I'm very interested in nutrition and health but everything you read about anything has so many conflicting reports ie: Milk is evil and full of nasty hormones, so I start drinking soya. Now I read that soya is high in omega 6!! Do you see where I'm coming from.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 15, 2012
at 05:33 AM

FFS Chris! I already gave you some questions to think about. You didn't even bother. If you had thought about my questions you would have found the answer. Stop being lazy and use your brain. Once you do, I'll be more than happy to discuss with you. No point trying to help you when you don't want to help yourself. Farewell for now.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 15, 2012
at 06:03 AM

So yeah, feel free to talk with me again once you've thought about my questions, and what conclusions you came to.

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C6e32ff9978fe287aa8c1c6be52d9524

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on June 08, 2012
at 12:22 PM

My grandparents are still alive. Eat a lot of grains and processed foods. But guess what? They look and feel like crap. (No offense dished out towards them. I love them like crazy.) But just because an individual lives to be old, doesn't mean it's quality life.

My grandparents are on medication, papa is a diabetic, they barely go more than 20 min with simple activity before tiring out, etc. That is not quality life.

Paleo/grains/etc isn't about proof. It's not about nit-picking. It's about building a template that maximizes an individuals performance, wellness, and physique. There is no "one diet cures all" IMHO. Paleo is a great general start to eliminate all process foods, crap grains, bad dairy, etc. Although similar in ways, we all have a genetic code. A family lineage that has maybe left a certain type of metabolic makeup where we all respond different to foods. Paleo let me cut out a LOT of garbage, and since then, I've slowly introduced some raw dairy, and occasional prepared, soaked grain (rare occasion) into my diet and I'm doing awesome.

I'm not sure if your approach was meant to be facetious or ill delivered (as I see it being voted quite negatively) but I hope you understand where my post is coming from. You can't have that method of delivery. Approach with questions or concerns in regards to yourself. Don't try to combat using others lifestyle. That's THEM. This is YOU.

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4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on June 08, 2012
at 12:01 PM

There is never generalized evidence that proves that anything will work for a specific individual. Why don't you try it for 30 days and see how you feel. That's how all of us got started.

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on June 10, 2012
at 12:53 PM

My grandmother ate like crap and lived to 94. She also was fed liver and non-processed foods as a child. Did you ever see The Ghost in Your Genes on PBS? Great 1-hour thing on epigenetics. Essentially, your grandparents (like Lindy said--Pottenger's cats) lived on the good will of the foods of their parents and grandparents. And yes, they ate grains, too, but they also probably ate liver, whole foods, bone broths, and what grains they ate were not wildly hybridized GMOs emulsified with soy lecithin.

As far as reading about what's healthy and not healthy, you have to remember that the media is there to get people to pay attention. The people that write these health articles will take one fad or one small study and blow it up into a huge thing. Also remember that there are industries behind everything, and soy is a big industry with a powerful lobbying arm. My advice would be to look at the patterns in the information and not rely on one specific thing. Then try to eat what makes you feel good and what you believe is truly best for your body. There's no such thing as a magic bullet against mortality yet.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on July 03, 2012
at 12:51 AM

Here's my theory:

Talking to my mom about what her parents and grandparents ate, one thing kept popping up, they ate homemade soups for 2 meals per day, based on bone broth (at least until Cambell's soup got cheaper than making their own). They would then eat bread and butter on the side. In my own experimenting, eating even one meal a day for just a matter of weeks of bone broth based soup or stew increased my tolerance of grains dramatically. Perhaps the soup heals what the grain might damage, and when balanced, great a neutral situation in the gut.

One more thing to be mindful of is the grain our grandparents and great grandparents ate wasn't hybridized up the wazoo like the modern crop that is used in everything from Wonder Bread to most of the artfully handcrafted artisanal slow rise breads. The variety of wheat we've been using in the US, Canada, and GB since the '70's is the uniquely inflammatory triticum aestivum dwarf mutant, it even has a vastly different number of chromosomes than the wheat our grandparents ate.

If you look you can find older strains of wheat, but you'll have to pay boutique prices because very few people are growing ancient strains of wheat. That said, it is clear in the human fossil record that when wheat started making up a significant part of our caloric intake arthritis showed right up with it. So while it perhaps bought them more time by providing extra nutrients during lean times, there was a price to be paid near the end of life in exchange.

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B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

on July 02, 2012
at 11:45 PM

My grandparents on my dad's side had 17 children (two were still born) because they didn't believe in birth control. So I suppose by your logic every person should have this many children?

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8ccd884afc71bb179236a21f272af66d

on June 08, 2012
at 05:04 PM

My Gran ate grains and PUFA's galore and she lived to 103. She was miserable and in pain from rheumatoid arthritis since she was in her 60's and asked me every time we talked why God didn't let her go as she was suffering so. I want the best shot at longetivity without decrepitude!

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on June 08, 2012
at 03:44 PM

Why does a legitimate question get downvoted?

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 08, 2012
at 03:49 PM

Because the OP has been posting a whole pile of questions at once that could have been answered by a very quick review of the site or simply googling paleo diet. They appear therefore to be challenges rather than genuine questions based on curiosity or desire to learn.

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4c9076c15636143e8ad1bce3830c2012

on June 10, 2012
at 08:46 AM

Ok so now are you saying grains were ok to eat but now we shouldn't eat them?? All I'm trying to do here is found out what is actually ok to eat and live a good healthy life. I'm very interested in nutrition and health but everything you read about anything has so many conflicting reports ie: Milk is evil and full of nasty hormones, so I start drinking soya. Now I read that soya is high in omega 6!! Do you see where I'm coming from.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 10, 2012
at 12:40 PM

Don't be alarmed by the silliness you'll find people saying on these boards. Don't eat too much food; be as active as you can be while remaining chilled out and unstressed; keep your brain active by talking and reading; don't sit at computers and TVs a lot. Basic stuff: *use your body and brain the way they're supposed to be used*! Eat unprocessed, whole foods as much as you can. If you gotta eat crap, don't sweat it. If you conduct yourself well in other aspects your body can handle less-than-optimal fuel.

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on June 08, 2012
at 12:24 PM

Evidence-ish: They are rich in unsavoury anti-nutrients, and the time since they were introduced is insufficient for evolutionary total adaption to the food..the egyptians had sky-rocket infant fatalities when they introduced grains as a large part of their diet.

Some people may survive fine on grains -potentially. There is a thing called epi-genetics meaning that some many have adapted more than others to this new food source. But overall, little adaption can possibly have occured in the time frame since we started eating them...

I would suggest thinking about it...

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