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Milk, Cream, Cheese, and other dairy... WTF?

Answered on September 30, 2013
Created September 27, 2013 at 9:32 PM

I'm constantly getting mixed messages about milk and dairy. Some seem to think anything from whole milk to gouda is acceptable, others insist that dairy is evil and won't even touch butter... Now butter... isn't that taking it a little far? Who cares if Grok made butter, right? Let's also assume you're not severely lactose intolerant, but if you are you could still eat some dairy products right? I'm looking for science but opinions and personal experience are fun too.

What's your take on:

-Whole Milk (and does it really have to be raw?)

-cottage cheese

-yogurt and kefir

-cream and butter (do we really need to differentiate them?)

-half and half (can I drink it like milk?)

-cheeses (can't list variations for fear of putting you to sleep)

dare I say ice cream?

Personally, dairy seems to have a slight impact on my bowel regularity (mild constipation). Especially plain milk but even some cheeses. On the surface, I can't find any other issues and this doesn't seem big enough to persuade me against such a nutritional powerhouse. I'm not trying to lose weight, though I don't know if that matters and I hope this thread will benefit everyone regardless of goals.

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on September 29, 2013
at 03:42 PM

That's what I'm looking for. Didn't mean to get offensive; it was late. Anyway, that attitude certainly elicits the defensive response needed to make a point more solid huh?

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on September 29, 2013
at 04:51 AM

If I thought it was extreme, I wouldn't have used it. Enzymes are distorted during the pasteurization process, making the dairy indigestibile for some; many of those people have no problems with raw dairy. Check out WAPF's information on milk. www.realmilk.com

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on September 29, 2013
at 03:58 AM

Do you think the phrase "junk food" is a little extreme? Just how much does pasteurization change things? Any links or references or just plain gibberish science talk?

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on September 28, 2013
at 01:49 PM

Forgot to add, it's grass fed

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on September 27, 2013
at 09:51 PM

Yeah I just enjoyed some fine Rembrandt Gouda with lunch and thought to come post this. I've been experimenting with raw milk and other dairy after going off all dairy but yogurt for a couple years. My body is adjusting pretty quick.

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on September 30, 2013
at 02:47 PM

I live in Southern California, in the OC. The only place I know to get good dairy is Sprouts and even then... limited choice and very expensive. No - I probably won't set foot in WF even though it's the closest store to my home. Where else could I go? I've heard of a store called "Mothers" which is 12 minutes away. What's up with that place? I wish I knew some grass roots farm stores around here... Specifically, I live in Laguna Niguel and so can barely afford rent.

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on September 30, 2013
at 11:23 AM

Nothing wrong with dairy it's just the shit that do to it that makes it bad...homogenisation and pasteurization. That said, I can understand why pasteurization is necessary if you don't know the health of the cow. But homogenisation never necessary.

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on September 30, 2013
at 10:14 AM

One of the important things is certainly to go for full-fat dairy, if you decide to have dairy. Fat-reduced is much higher in milk sugar.

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on September 28, 2013
at 03:44 PM

I eat all the above that I like the taste of. I have no lactose or casein issues and dairy is a great source of fat and calories for me. If you don't have those issues, I would include dairy. I think it is best to try without for thirty days, though, and go back to it, just to see if maybe it affects you in ways you didn't realize.

  • Whole Milk (and does it really have to be raw?) - Raw is best if you can get it and afford it. Next best would be 145 F vat-pasteurized nonhomogenized (that is the lowest legal temp). Buy the best you can, and I know a lot of people here will disagree with me, but I drink the regular ole pasteurized kind sometimes (never the UHT though, it tastes yucky). I ALWAYS buy whole, though.
  • Cottage cheese - if you like it I see no reason not to have it.
  • Yogurt and kefir - I've never tried milk kefir. See no reason not to have it, though. I love yogurt and eat it pretty regularly. Full fat Greek is my preference, and I like making it myself.
  • Cream and butter (do we really need to differentiate them?) - I don't know why some people do. I enjoy both.
  • Half and half (can I drink it like milk?) - It is half too much milk for my coffee, though for drinking straight it is delicious. I see no reason not to drink it like milk other than caloric intake. I do it sometimes if I need to eat but am nauseated or otherwise have no appetite and just want to get some calories/fat down.
  • Cheeses (can't list variations for fear of putting you to sleep) - Dude, all the time. All kinds. Raw is best but isn't widely available in some places and also can be more expensive. As with everything, buy the best you can but don't let perfect become the enemy of good.
  • Dare I say ice cream? - I think that's more about the sugar content and often having additives than it being dairy.

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on September 28, 2013
at 01:48 PM

I'm eating unpasteurised butter.

538d3517b18910d80cafe3d16ddca498

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on September 28, 2013
at 01:49 PM

Forgot to add, it's grass fed

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on September 28, 2013
at 01:46 PM

http://paleoista.com/news/butters-in-but-all-other-dairys-out-wrong-no-dairy-on-paleo/

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on September 28, 2013
at 01:45 PM

Nell sums it up well:

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on September 28, 2013
at 01:44 PM

Nell sums it up well:

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on September 28, 2013
at 03:07 AM

I think it's ok if you tolerate it. Just because it isn't strictly paleo doesn't mean it can't offer any benefits to your health. It's a good source of protein, and gouda and butter are supposed to have decent amounts of vitamin K. Personally, I have issues of the lactose variety with cow's milk, but goat and sheep dairy seem to be ok as well as aged cheeses from cows. Right now I'm off dairy products except for a little butter here and there. I seem to have less phlegm so far but I think I'll be adding sheep's milk yogurt back in soon because I think I do better with having the probiotics that are in it.

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on September 28, 2013
at 02:35 AM

Raw dairy for us because pasteurized is just junk food. No one in my household suffers ill effects from it. I doubt also doubt Grok passed on milk from a lactating beast he took down.

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on September 29, 2013
at 03:58 AM

Do you think the phrase "junk food" is a little extreme? Just how much does pasteurization change things? Any links or references or just plain gibberish science talk?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on September 29, 2013
at 04:51 AM

If I thought it was extreme, I wouldn't have used it. Enzymes are distorted during the pasteurization process, making the dairy indigestibile for some; many of those people have no problems with raw dairy. Check out WAPF's information on milk. www.realmilk.com

Medium avatar

(624)

on September 29, 2013
at 03:42 PM

That's what I'm looking for. Didn't mean to get offensive; it was late. Anyway, that attitude certainly elicits the defensive response needed to make a point more solid huh?

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on September 27, 2013
at 09:39 PM

Butter and aged cheese for me. Most everything else gives me issues of one kind or another. Had a small amount of 1000 day old Gouda from Trader Joes today and it was excellent.

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on September 27, 2013
at 09:51 PM

Yeah I just enjoyed some fine Rembrandt Gouda with lunch and thought to come post this. I've been experimenting with raw milk and other dairy after going off all dairy but yogurt for a couple years. My body is adjusting pretty quick.

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