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Is it the eggs, the dairy, or the nightshades??

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 26, 2011 at 6:04 PM

So ever since adopting a paleo template of eating (I gladly incorporate my dark chocolate and even the occasional local grass fed ice cream without stressing it), I have been reaping the benefits (it's been almost 6 months). However, one issue that hasn't gone away or has even surfaced is the ever-so-daunting crater on my face (what others refer to as pimples), two in the past few weeks, and this mild red patchy looking area on my cheeks (likely a mild rosacea). Yesterday, on a whim, I decided to eliminate nightshades from my diet along with all dairy products. Also, because I've been having eggs nearly every day for breakfast for a while, I decided to give them a rest this morning and plan on going eggless for a few days (difficult task for an omelette lover) because I always experience this all-day-fullness after eating them. I never expected to see results so miraculously fast, but the red patchy area on my cheek(s) is literally almost gone..? The only issue is that I now don't know if it was due to the lack of dairy or the nightshades. I'm leaning towards the nightshades considering I would eat quite a bit of them (grilled eggplant and peppers with burgers, raw and cooked tomatoes, paprika, red pepper flakes, etc), and I've never really seemed to react adversely to dairy as far as I'm aware but I can't be too sure. Any thoughts?

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Symptoms can come a day or two after re-introduction, so do not introduce anything new until you have two days without te test food.

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on October 28, 2011
at 02:49 AM

I'm Type O and have no problems with Nightshades - I can eat hot red chili and I'm fine. I don't buy into the blood type diet as I watched a Type A loved one go 80% vegetarian eating mostly legumes/grains become gluten-intolerant like a celiac. See also Gary Taubes (Blood Type A as another example)

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on October 27, 2011
at 12:55 AM

Very good answer Jay.

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on October 26, 2011
at 08:08 PM

Will do, thank you.

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on October 26, 2011
at 07:44 PM

Yes, I'm going to do that. I'll try out dairy first considering I'm almost sure it has to do with the nightshades.

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on October 26, 2011
at 07:44 PM

Yes, absolutely.

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on October 26, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Ok, fair enough. I read your post too fast so didn't realize that your problem cleared up already. I'll leave my response because I think it's pretty darn good speculation that somebody else with rosacea may benefit from.

7bad6c4e7d681fab6a4aa4580f442e0c

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on October 26, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Yeah, I figured as much. I just really feel as though it's the nightshades, also because I have an extremely minor and mild pain in my knee that comes and goes that would seem to coincide with typical nightshade-consumption symptoms. Perhaps in a week or so I'll add back some cheese (really the only dairy product I consume other than the occasional butter) and see how I do.

7bad6c4e7d681fab6a4aa4580f442e0c

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on October 26, 2011
at 06:58 PM

I don't drink any alcohol or coffee, the only caffeine I consume is a little dark chocolate here or there. I really don't see the point of eliminating alliums considering my problem has substantially cleared up in a day (!!) without nightshades and dairy in my diet. One of those must be the culprit.

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on October 26, 2011
at 06:46 PM

I agree with trjones, but would add that when I re-added liquid milk to my diet (raw milk), was when I started up with a variety of skin problems ranging from acne to dry skin patches on my face. Normally I have pretty alabaster skin so it was quite upsetting. Each person is so different though. I can still eat tons of cheese with no issues.

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on October 26, 2011
at 07:36 PM

I agree with reintroducing each food individually to see which causes a reaction, but I would advise waiting longer to get more accurate information. If you wait about three weeks, then take a full three days to introduce each food(eating quite a bit each day), you'll really know what to avoid in the future.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Symptoms can come a day or two after re-introduction, so do not introduce anything new until you have two days without te test food.

7bad6c4e7d681fab6a4aa4580f442e0c

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on October 26, 2011
at 08:08 PM

Will do, thank you.

7bad6c4e7d681fab6a4aa4580f442e0c

(707)

on October 26, 2011
at 07:44 PM

Yes, I'm going to do that. I'll try out dairy first considering I'm almost sure it has to do with the nightshades.

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on October 26, 2011
at 06:13 PM

Add each one back into your diet one at a time until you start seeing the adverse reactions again. That'll be your answer.

7bad6c4e7d681fab6a4aa4580f442e0c

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on October 26, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Yeah, I figured as much. I just really feel as though it's the nightshades, also because I have an extremely minor and mild pain in my knee that comes and goes that would seem to coincide with typical nightshade-consumption symptoms. Perhaps in a week or so I'll add back some cheese (really the only dairy product I consume other than the occasional butter) and see how I do.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on October 26, 2011
at 06:46 PM

I agree with trjones, but would add that when I re-added liquid milk to my diet (raw milk), was when I started up with a variety of skin problems ranging from acne to dry skin patches on my face. Normally I have pretty alabaster skin so it was quite upsetting. Each person is so different though. I can still eat tons of cheese with no issues.

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4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 26, 2011
at 06:50 PM

I would give up dairy but keep eggs and nightshades.

Rosacea is complicated. Alcohol and caffeine might be worth giving up... Also, there seems to be a pretty strong connection to gut flora and/or gut permeability. For example, antibiotics may help rosacea, probably because they kill the gut flora. But, this is probably overkill!

I strongly suspect that limiting FODMAPs (lactose being one example) will help almost as much as antibiotics. FODMAPs are just beginning to be investigating, but these indigestible fibers may be responsible for many digestive woes, including IBS, IBD, and GERD. Some of it dovetails with strict paleo in that many non-paleo foods are the worst offenders (e.g., dairy due to lactose, grains due to fructans, and beans due to galactans -- also industrial thickeners have FODMAPS too and clearly aren't paleo) but there are also paleo foods that have FODMAPS, like alliums (onions, garlic, leeks, etc) and many fruits. So, I'm not sure this is a paleo thing as much as a neat low-risk fix to a problem of unclear provenance. In any case, I would definitely try to avoid FODMAPs for a bit with rosacea. (Unfortunately, think you might have to give it a few weeks to know if it really helps...)

For what it is worth eggs have no FODMAPs and nightshades have very few. (Pro tip: Spinach is a good vegetable to have on a low FODMAP diet since it is basically the most nutritious vegetable anyway and has relatively few FODMAPs.) Good luck

7bad6c4e7d681fab6a4aa4580f442e0c

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on October 26, 2011
at 07:44 PM

Yes, absolutely.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on October 27, 2011
at 12:55 AM

Very good answer Jay.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on October 26, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Ok, fair enough. I read your post too fast so didn't realize that your problem cleared up already. I'll leave my response because I think it's pretty darn good speculation that somebody else with rosacea may benefit from.

7bad6c4e7d681fab6a4aa4580f442e0c

(707)

on October 26, 2011
at 06:58 PM

I don't drink any alcohol or coffee, the only caffeine I consume is a little dark chocolate here or there. I really don't see the point of eliminating alliums considering my problem has substantially cleared up in a day (!!) without nightshades and dairy in my diet. One of those must be the culprit.

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on October 27, 2011
at 01:30 AM

It's your blood type. If you are an O you need more meat than eggs. The nightshades are inflammatory for Os also, eliminate.

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on October 28, 2011
at 02:49 AM

I'm Type O and have no problems with Nightshades - I can eat hot red chili and I'm fine. I don't buy into the blood type diet as I watched a Type A loved one go 80% vegetarian eating mostly legumes/grains become gluten-intolerant like a celiac. See also Gary Taubes (Blood Type A as another example)

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