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Is dairy really all THAT bad?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 03, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I was raised in the Midwest, and have always had a diet rich in dairy products (raised on dairy farm). I know that there are a multitude of studies showing that dairy products are poor for your health, and plenty that claim the opposite. What is your take?

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on June 03, 2013
at 09:53 PM

Yeah A1 vs. A2 is mostly hype.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

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on June 03, 2013
at 09:25 PM

As usual, Matt said what I wanted to say! Brain twins.

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on June 03, 2013
at 08:52 PM

cj, I disagree.

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on June 03, 2013
at 08:47 PM

As for raw milk, two things matter: sanitation and animal health. If you're not raising and harvesting the product yourself, you have no control over either factor, that's a red flag. I'm lucky enough to raise my own dairy (well, I used to) so I know what I'm getting myself into.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 03, 2013
at 08:44 PM

Nevertheless, A1 casein is as natural as A2.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 03, 2013
at 08:44 PM

I seem to remember that the differences between A1 and A2 casein turned out to be all hype.

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on June 03, 2013
at 08:37 PM

In the end, if you feel better including dairy in your diet, do it. Don't needlessly hinder your health just to meet "strict" paleo standards.

5583b82f29a6b24264ca4b9836abd925

(261)

on June 03, 2013
at 08:15 PM

But diary is very un-paleo, Joanna ;)

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on June 03, 2013
at 08:49 PM

3 reason why you shouldn't consume dairy:

  1. You simply don't like it.
  2. You're lactose intolerant.
  3. You're allergic and/or intolerant to milk proteins.

If you like dairy and tolerate it well, milk is a whole food and should be consumed.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

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on June 03, 2013
at 09:25 PM

As usual, Matt said what I wanted to say! Brain twins.

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on June 04, 2013
at 12:46 AM

What is your ancestry? I think it's a lot safer for those from parts of the world who have consumed dairy for a long time, eg. Middle East, Europe, Central Asia

The cons, as I see them 1) bovine oestrogens and their potential cancer-causing effects. Hence I stick to sheep/goat/camel dairy 2) lactose, for those sensitive 3) insulinogenic whey proteins can contribute to weight gain 4) novel protein and potential effects on the stomach. I am sure I recall some report about dairy proteins acing like gluten in the stomach or something 5) allergies and eczema for those sensitive.

I consume organic goat dairy (cheese, yoghurt and butter) and occasional heavy cream. I was dairy-free for my first year of paleo and REALLY missed it

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on June 03, 2013
at 08:14 PM

No, it's not, but only under specific conditions: when most lactose has gone away (fermented dairy), and preferably from a casein A2 animal (goat, sheep, buffalo). All the cited research papers showing how bad casein is, was predominantly done on normal casein A1 cows. Casein A1 is not natural, it's man-made.

So basically, goat/sheep/camel/buffalo cheese/yogurt and specifically home-made kefir from casein A2 antibiotic/hormone-free milk, is very good and healthy (unless you're terribly intolerant to dairy).

I know that Robb Wolf is not against raw milk, and others on this board are not either. However, after almost losing my cousin 25 years ago in mountainous Greece because he drank raw milk from his own, antibiotic-free, pastured sheep, I don't advocate raw milk. Maybe raw milk was a considerable option in the pre-industrial world, but not anymore. I don't trust it because the water and food animals eat today, even when pastured, is not what it used to be.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 03, 2013
at 08:44 PM

I seem to remember that the differences between A1 and A2 casein turned out to be all hype.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 03, 2013
at 08:44 PM

Nevertheless, A1 casein is as natural as A2.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 03, 2013
at 08:47 PM

As for raw milk, two things matter: sanitation and animal health. If you're not raising and harvesting the product yourself, you have no control over either factor, that's a red flag. I'm lucky enough to raise my own dairy (well, I used to) so I know what I'm getting myself into.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on June 03, 2013
at 09:53 PM

Yeah A1 vs. A2 is mostly hype.

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089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on June 03, 2013
at 07:55 PM

i eat dairy most days and my body seems to like it. i do better with goat's and sheep's dairy and only stick to no lactose things like hard cheeses, kefir, and yogurt.

5583b82f29a6b24264ca4b9836abd925

(261)

on June 03, 2013
at 08:15 PM

But diary is very un-paleo, Joanna ;)

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

(880)

on June 03, 2013
at 08:37 PM

In the end, if you feel better including dairy in your diet, do it. Don't needlessly hinder your health just to meet "strict" paleo standards.

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on June 03, 2013
at 08:52 PM

cj, I disagree.

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on June 03, 2013
at 11:53 PM

It depends on who you are.

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on June 03, 2013
at 09:08 PM

Dairy has its pros and cons. It's inflammatory and allergenic, but whole, raw, grassfed, dairy is loaded with calcium and other minerals, conjugated linoleic acid, and fermented dairy is less allergenic and has probiotics, but if you/re not allergic/sensitive/lactose intolerant, include in your diet in modest amounts.

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