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Created February 22, 2013 at 3:43 PM

I just finished Whole30 and have been slowly adding back the foods I've been avoiding, starting with nightshades. Tonight I'm going out to eat and want to eat something super gluten-y to see what kind of effect it will have on me, but I haven't added back dairy yet because I read dairy should be the last thing you add back. Where should I go? What should I get? I want it to be worth it since I don't plan on consuming gluten again anytime soon. My idea to go get a nice slice of pizza won't work since pizza = cheese.

What are your favorite cheats which fit the bill?

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 24, 2013
at 06:15 PM

The very night I wrote this I was out to eat with a friend at a fabulous restaurant, and I thought, hmmm, I'll try a piece of their delicious bread. It was ... ok. And today I am doubled over in gut pain! It took about 48 hours for it to get really bad. Not worth it! lol

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on February 24, 2013
at 05:16 PM

Thank you for being the only person who actually answered my question. I appreciate the suggestion and will probably take your advice! Thanks again.

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on February 24, 2013
at 05:13 PM

Makes sense. I wound up not "cheating" the other night. Nothing on the menu seemed worth it. I'll look for some fresh baked focaccia bread or something I used to consider delicious made with high quality ingredients to test in my intolerances.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

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on February 24, 2013
at 05:10 PM

Um, no I'm not. I have never gorged myself on food and I have never been fat and unhealthy, thanks for those sweeping inaccurate assumptions though. I'll assume you're just projecting.

06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on February 22, 2013
at 09:38 PM

Yeap, frozen dinner rolls don't even appeal to people eating a SAD diet, it was one of the more "non-paleo" things I could think of for the comparison :).

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on February 22, 2013
at 07:23 PM

I actually was *agreeing* with you on eating shitty food -- because, as you said, "every now and then" doesn't mean weekly or monthly. :-) You are not failing if you are reaching your goals!

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on February 22, 2013
at 07:01 PM

It was ham on oil soaked bread all covered in some cheesy stuff in a Greece-themed restaurant in Madrid.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 22, 2013
at 07:00 PM

last time I cheated and went for the trifecta (on accident) I ended up missing 2 days of my 5 day trip planned to Madrid because I was in bed, my body couldnt handle it. In fact, I think Im still paying for it today.... DONT GO INTO THE LIGHT OP!!!

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on February 22, 2013
at 06:35 PM

I'd still probably wait until I actually really wanted something to test it out. Even if you're not a craving-driven person, everyone is going to really want something at some time. There will be plenty of chances to satisfy curiosity AND a craving. Two birds, one stone.

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on February 22, 2013
at 06:03 PM

i don't really think a poor lifestyle change can be defined by eating pizza once in awhile, or splurging on a few drinks out with friends once in awhile. i think a poor lifestyle more defines the very obese people i see everywhere, not me who does paleo 99.5% of the time and crossfit 4 days/ week. i have lost 2 sizes and am meeting my workout goals, so i think "cheating" is ok once in awhile. i will never not love milk, cheese, bread...but i limit it very carefully so as not to afffect my goals and healthy lifestyle.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

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on February 22, 2013
at 05:29 PM

@Mandy Thank you, I think that is what I will do. Eat a paleo meal with bread on the side and see what happens. Possibly nothing, but even so, I won't be eating bread on any sort of regular basis like I used to. I know too much now to do that to myself.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

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on February 22, 2013
at 05:24 PM

I feel like I wasn't very clear in my initial post. I don't plan to cheat on any sort of regular basis. I am happy with paleo, but also genuinely curious to know what eating SAD was really doing to me. Lots of people say the first time they ate such-and-such after being paleo for however long, their skin broke out, or they felt bloated or whatnot. How could I ever know what the effect is if I don't test it once to find out? I'm not trying to satisfy a craving here, more of a curiosity.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:51 PM

I wouldn't eat a frozen dinner roll under pretty much any circumstances, and I would have said that a year ago, long before I knew anything about paleo. Thank you for the advice to pick someplace with high quality ingredients.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:49 PM

I have been eating paleo for 3 months, zero dairy for the past month. I want to see if I still even like bread, and if it makes me feel yucky. How will I ever find out if I never taste a piece of bread again in my life? I understand what you guys are saying, but one planned cheat won't lead to others. I know a lot of people have trouble with cravings and whatnot, but that's not me. I'm not going to eat one SAD meal to feel included in a group, I can turn down food just fine. And I said pizza was out precisely because it would ruin the experiment.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:42 PM

You define "cheat" as eating porrly instead of being a shortcut to goals and "keeping sane" as making poor lifestyle choices. While I applaud your attitude (seriously, I do -- people get stressed out about this stuff), I cannot condone this. However, no downvote, because "every now and then really means that- not weekly or monthly..." which is oh so true, but nearly impossible to explain to people who ask questions like "how do I cheat?"

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:30 PM

Greymouser is right. What's the point. At this point your goal is to make paleo a habit, and your planned cheat opens the door to other planned cheats. What will you learn from this experiment? Even if the gluten binge is apparently harmless, you'll know it's really not. Your goal after a 30-day program is to turn paleo into a lifestyle, so do it! Learn how to hang out with your pizza-and-beer friends and have a great time w/o the gluten binge. Learn how to do the difficult things about paleo with no stress. My opinion anyway.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:07 PM

I agree with greymouser. I realize it's a planned cheat, but you won't be isolating the variables. The whole point of the whole 30 is to clear all the garbage out of your body. If you add back 3 potential irritants all at one and you feel like shit afterward, how are you going to know what caused it? I would start with some bread and give it a few days to see how you feel. Keep everything else the same. The whole 30 seems like a lot of work to blow it on one piece of pizza.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:03 PM

Oh oh oh: ice cream.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:02 PM

That'd be two non-paleo things at once, however. ;-) Hummus and veggies, maybe?

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

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on February 22, 2013
at 03:58 PM

It's one planned cheat, I will be sticking to paleo otherwise, or primal once I see if dairy works for me. I appreciate the advice though.

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32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:03 PM

If I was going to re-test gluten, it would have to be Panera bread. That would be worth it. And no complications from sugar or dairy. Then you could follow it with a healthy paleo meal from their Hidden Menu:

http://mypanera.panerabread.com/articlestips/article/access-into-paneras-hidden-menu/

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

(591)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:16 PM

Thank you for being the only person who actually answered my question. I appreciate the suggestion and will probably take your advice! Thanks again.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on February 24, 2013
at 06:15 PM

The very night I wrote this I was out to eat with a friend at a fabulous restaurant, and I thought, hmmm, I'll try a piece of their delicious bread. It was ... ok. And today I am doubled over in gut pain! It took about 48 hours for it to get really bad. Not worth it! lol

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on February 22, 2013
at 03:55 PM

What you described is not a cheat, it is a deep dive back into SAD eating. By defintion, "cheating" is usually a (maybe nefarious) activity that actually short cuts you to your goals. You are just deep divind into failure, arguably to see what it's like to eat as a SAD person again.

My advice for your health: don't. Just don't.

My advice for your experiment, however ... if you are really curious about individual ingredients, then minimize the number of things you are reintroducing. Pizza? Not so much, that'd be wheat, nightshades, and dairy all at once. Maybe instead go to a nice seafood restaurant, and eat a great meal, but also shovel some bread into your mouth. Then, next time you go out, maybe go to an Italian joint and get a buttery-sauced pasta (dairy and wheat). For the trifecta of pain, go get yourself a New York slice of pizza -- but be careful to make sure the cheese is actually made of dairy and not vegetable solids and oil, as that would ruin the experiment.

But honestly, don't be faileo, stick to paleo.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

(2022)

on February 22, 2013
at 04:07 PM

I agree with greymouser. I realize it's a planned cheat, but you won't be isolating the variables. The whole point of the whole 30 is to clear all the garbage out of your body. If you add back 3 potential irritants all at one and you feel like shit afterward, how are you going to know what caused it? I would start with some bread and give it a few days to see how you feel. Keep everything else the same. The whole 30 seems like a lot of work to blow it on one piece of pizza.

Dc6407193ba441d1438f6f0c06af872b

(4400)

on February 22, 2013
at 04:30 PM

Greymouser is right. What's the point. At this point your goal is to make paleo a habit, and your planned cheat opens the door to other planned cheats. What will you learn from this experiment? Even if the gluten binge is apparently harmless, you'll know it's really not. Your goal after a 30-day program is to turn paleo into a lifestyle, so do it! Learn how to hang out with your pizza-and-beer friends and have a great time w/o the gluten binge. Learn how to do the difficult things about paleo with no stress. My opinion anyway.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on February 22, 2013
at 04:03 PM

Oh oh oh: ice cream.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 22, 2013
at 07:00 PM

last time I cheated and went for the trifecta (on accident) I ended up missing 2 days of my 5 day trip planned to Madrid because I was in bed, my body couldnt handle it. In fact, I think Im still paying for it today.... DONT GO INTO THE LIGHT OP!!!

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

(591)

on February 22, 2013
at 03:58 PM

It's one planned cheat, I will be sticking to paleo otherwise, or primal once I see if dairy works for me. I appreciate the advice though.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

(591)

on February 22, 2013
at 04:49 PM

I have been eating paleo for 3 months, zero dairy for the past month. I want to see if I still even like bread, and if it makes me feel yucky. How will I ever find out if I never taste a piece of bread again in my life? I understand what you guys are saying, but one planned cheat won't lead to others. I know a lot of people have trouble with cravings and whatnot, but that's not me. I'm not going to eat one SAD meal to feel included in a group, I can turn down food just fine. And I said pizza was out precisely because it would ruin the experiment.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

(591)

on February 22, 2013
at 05:29 PM

@Mandy Thank you, I think that is what I will do. Eat a paleo meal with bread on the side and see what happens. Possibly nothing, but even so, I won't be eating bread on any sort of regular basis like I used to. I know too much now to do that to myself.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 22, 2013
at 07:01 PM

It was ham on oil soaked bread all covered in some cheesy stuff in a Greece-themed restaurant in Madrid.

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06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on February 22, 2013
at 04:30 PM

This is a very slippery slope mindset. As others have mentioned, experimenting to isolate individual toleriability and effect is one thing, feeling that you "earned" the right to trash your body under the guise of seeing what you tolerate is quite another. This is a gateway to undue many of the things that you have worked very hard for.

Food is fuel for the body. It is also an important social aspect of many cultures and many events are based around it. Those are the times to maybe "splurge" a little bit on delicious food that you otherwise wouldn't encounter.

As to reintroduction: find the highest qualtiy ingredients possible for the experiment. Raw milk and cheeses from grass fed cows, if you wish to experiment with some bread, go somewhere that is reknowned for their bread, don't waste that opportunity on frozen dinner rolls.

Matthew Hampton
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06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on February 22, 2013
at 09:38 PM

Yeap, frozen dinner rolls don't even appeal to people eating a SAD diet, it was one of the more "non-paleo" things I could think of for the comparison :).

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:51 PM

I wouldn't eat a frozen dinner roll under pretty much any circumstances, and I would have said that a year ago, long before I knew anything about paleo. Thank you for the advice to pick someplace with high quality ingredients.

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:58 PM

Have to disagree with some of these replies. The occasional cheat can actually help one to stay paleo long-term. A strict paleoer who never cheats might spend ages craving something unhealthy. Or they can give into that craving, feel awful afterwards and never crave it again. It's better to simply not want something than to consciously deprive yourself.

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on February 22, 2013
at 06:17 PM

You're treating paleo as a crash diet, and not as a lifestyle. Diets never work, why? Because there is an "end" to a diet. You get to a point where you think you can earn gorging on all of the crap that got you fat and out of shape in the first place, and where does that bring you? Back to the beginning. You can pack on pounds so much faster than you can loose them its not even funny.

So, re-think what doing the whole30 program was for you. Was it just a temporary thing, or was it a start to a much more healthy lifestyle?

I see you want to "test" your gluten tolerance, but you're just playing with fire in my eyes.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

(591)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:10 PM

Um, no I'm not. I have never gorged myself on food and I have never been fat and unhealthy, thanks for those sweeping inaccurate assumptions though. I'll assume you're just projecting.

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on February 22, 2013
at 05:08 PM

I like Dallas and Melissa's idea on this cheating thing. Basically, don't cheat unless you REALLY REALLY REALLY want something, and have thought through the consequences thereof. http://whole9life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Whole9's-Guide-to-Nutritional-Off-Roading.pdf

I don't get the "planned cheat" mentality. I mean, if you don't really crave something, then why cheat just because it's the day that you've allowed yourself to cheat? Save the cheats for what you really want, and there's no satisfactory Paleo-ified equivalent.

Also, I don't know what's up with "dairy should be the last thing you add back in." Who cares which thing you add back in first? If you don't think you have casein/lactose issues, why avoid that longer than nightshades, or white rice, or whatever else? There's no hard and fast rules to what works for you. Go with the flow. You don't have to be regimented in what others say works for them - think about what you want and how to apply it to your lifestyle.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

(591)

on February 22, 2013
at 05:24 PM

I feel like I wasn't very clear in my initial post. I don't plan to cheat on any sort of regular basis. I am happy with paleo, but also genuinely curious to know what eating SAD was really doing to me. Lots of people say the first time they ate such-and-such after being paleo for however long, their skin broke out, or they felt bloated or whatnot. How could I ever know what the effect is if I don't test it once to find out? I'm not trying to satisfy a craving here, more of a curiosity.

F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

(591)

on February 24, 2013
at 05:13 PM

Makes sense. I wound up not "cheating" the other night. Nothing on the menu seemed worth it. I'll look for some fresh baked focaccia bread or something I used to consider delicious made with high quality ingredients to test in my intolerances.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on February 22, 2013
at 06:35 PM

I'd still probably wait until I actually really wanted something to test it out. Even if you're not a craving-driven person, everyone is going to really want something at some time. There will be plenty of chances to satisfy curiosity AND a craving. Two birds, one stone.

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6dc767a3b94cb0133601caf6c39ea218

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:08 PM

go crazy! i cheat every now and then to keep "sane" since i still love pizza, subs, etc. of course, i feel like crap after, but that is just further motivation to stay paleo... enjoy your cheat! i don't think that sets you up for failure, like some people say. that makes me mad. we are only human! (every now and then really means that- not weekly or monthly...)

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on February 22, 2013
at 07:23 PM

I actually was *agreeing* with you on eating shitty food -- because, as you said, "every now and then" doesn't mean weekly or monthly. :-) You are not failing if you are reaching your goals!

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on February 22, 2013
at 04:42 PM

You define "cheat" as eating porrly instead of being a shortcut to goals and "keeping sane" as making poor lifestyle choices. While I applaud your attitude (seriously, I do -- people get stressed out about this stuff), I cannot condone this. However, no downvote, because "every now and then really means that- not weekly or monthly..." which is oh so true, but nearly impossible to explain to people who ask questions like "how do I cheat?"

6dc767a3b94cb0133601caf6c39ea218

(330)

on February 22, 2013
at 06:03 PM

i don't really think a poor lifestyle change can be defined by eating pizza once in awhile, or splurging on a few drinks out with friends once in awhile. i think a poor lifestyle more defines the very obese people i see everywhere, not me who does paleo 99.5% of the time and crossfit 4 days/ week. i have lost 2 sizes and am meeting my workout goals, so i think "cheating" is ok once in awhile. i will never not love milk, cheese, bread...but i limit it very carefully so as not to afffect my goals and healthy lifestyle.

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on February 22, 2013
at 04:00 PM

Hummus and pita? You could do worse.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on February 22, 2013
at 04:02 PM

That'd be two non-paleo things at once, however. ;-) Hummus and veggies, maybe?

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