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How can you tell if you can "tolerate dairy" if no obvious gastrointestinal issues?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 14, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Understandably if you have gas/bloating/ibs etc. then you can't tolerate it. However what are the other non-GI tract symptoms people have experienced? Thanks

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

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on November 03, 2012
at 02:39 PM

Ah, the mucus. I've heard a lot of singers avoid dairy before performances.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on September 16, 2012
at 11:43 AM

My latest blog has a part of it devoted to understanding how Hashimoto's affects us. You might also find it helpful. It was written on 9/15/2012

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on September 15, 2012
at 05:33 AM

Hear, hear for the acne! My acne disappeared when I quit dairy. Just be sure to give it a few weeks to take effect, flmochamom.

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

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on September 15, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Have you checked out the book? by Anne Angelone "The Autoimmuned Paleo Diet"? http://www.amazon.com/The-Autoimmune-Paleo-Diet-ebook/dp/B0092FZKK4

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

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on September 15, 2012
at 01:04 AM

This will be very helpful, just diagnosed with Hashimoto (last week) though I have been following paleo (80/20) for nearly a year. Am now 100% grain/industrial oil/legume/refined sugar free. Because symptoms are so very minor bit of a change to know what is helping and what is hurting. Will read up. In fact the reason I went in for the initial blood work was to get Reverse T3 measured based on your recommendations; that is when I found out abt the Hashi's. Thanks so very much.

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

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on September 15, 2012
at 12:56 AM

Great idea. Am easing my way into autoimmune paleo and gave up eggs and nightshades this week, will give up nuts/seeds next week. Don't do any dairy now except for kerrygold butter on sweet potatoes. Was hoping to hang on to something.

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

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on September 15, 2012
at 12:53 AM

I definitely am not saying woo because I totally get you and agree with what you are saying. I also recently read that butter and heavy cream have very minimal casein, which is likely why you can tolerate these dairy items better than other dairy with greater amounts of casein. Awareness of ourselves is the only path to wellness (physical and otherwise). thanks for responding. I appreciate it.

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

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at 12:49 AM

Probably have a leaky gut as I was just diagnosed with Hashimoto's. And I am beginning to understand that the casein and gluten proteins physically resemble each other. Guess it is just better to cut it out. thx

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

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on September 15, 2012
at 12:44 AM

I forgot abt those symptoms. thx.

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

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at 12:43 AM

Thx. Never had "bad" skin, but not that great either. Guess its worth a shot dropping it to see any signs of improvement.

F6ce9302d62d8b4a1ef2fc813c294770

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on September 14, 2012
at 05:32 AM

Also why I stopped dairy!!! Bad for my acne/rosacea. So is alcohol, sadly.

19ff515e8ec02d95e8f2cf68c3ec1373

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on September 14, 2012
at 04:26 AM

That's why I stopped dairy. (sob)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on September 14, 2012
at 04:21 AM

Let them go "woo" themselves, then. :) Like you said, you don't give it 100% credence, but just because you don't understand *how* it works doesn't mean you don't understand that it *does* work.

E5d4889d675291f020c72e958de1f77b

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on September 14, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Another acne sufferer here. My face and chest. Acne FOREVER.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 14, 2012
at 01:48 AM

me too. the phlegm is the main problem for me.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on September 14, 2012
at 01:35 AM

Good point! That darn mucous production...

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51c66d8a6f3005628535a50a950b1c61

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on September 14, 2012
at 01:29 AM

Also, rhinitis/stuffy nose, hay fever, other respiratory issues. Some also believe that dairy helps them hang on to excess weight.

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

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on September 15, 2012
at 12:44 AM

I forgot abt those symptoms. thx.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on September 14, 2012
at 01:35 AM

Good point! That darn mucous production...

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

(2613)

on November 03, 2012
at 02:39 PM

Ah, the mucus. I've heard a lot of singers avoid dairy before performances.

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on September 14, 2012
at 01:25 AM

Skin problems (acne, rosacea) are the most common non-digestive symptoms of dairy intolerance.

19ff515e8ec02d95e8f2cf68c3ec1373

(1207)

on September 14, 2012
at 04:26 AM

That's why I stopped dairy. (sob)

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

(205)

on September 15, 2012
at 12:43 AM

Thx. Never had "bad" skin, but not that great either. Guess its worth a shot dropping it to see any signs of improvement.

F6ce9302d62d8b4a1ef2fc813c294770

(510)

on September 14, 2012
at 05:32 AM

Also why I stopped dairy!!! Bad for my acne/rosacea. So is alcohol, sadly.

90bcfafd2ef73fea5398c483c593349e

(872)

on September 15, 2012
at 05:33 AM

Hear, hear for the acne! My acne disappeared when I quit dairy. Just be sure to give it a few weeks to take effect, flmochamom.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on September 14, 2012
at 09:18 PM

Go to Enterolabs and get BCM-7 AB testing.....if positive then you need to look for other issues. DPPIV damage, celiac, non celiac gluten sensitivity, and cut rice and corn products too.......complicated but testing will help you. If you read the comments in BG 1 and 2 on my site there is a volley of comments between me and a guy named Bob Smith. Very good primer on the details your asking about here. Good Luck

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

(205)

on September 15, 2012
at 01:04 AM

This will be very helpful, just diagnosed with Hashimoto (last week) though I have been following paleo (80/20) for nearly a year. Am now 100% grain/industrial oil/legume/refined sugar free. Because symptoms are so very minor bit of a change to know what is helping and what is hurting. Will read up. In fact the reason I went in for the initial blood work was to get Reverse T3 measured based on your recommendations; that is when I found out abt the Hashi's. Thanks so very much.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 16, 2012
at 11:43 AM

My latest blog has a part of it devoted to understanding how Hashimoto's affects us. You might also find it helpful. It was written on 9/15/2012

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Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on September 14, 2012
at 04:09 AM

Okay, this is a little weird, and some people might accuse me of jumping into the land of "woo," but here goes:

My "intolerance" regarding dairy has nothing to do with physical symptoms, but more to do with psychology. I do fine with butter and heavy cream, but things like yogurt, sour cream, and too much cheese sort of "cool the fire" in me. I know it sounds wacky, but when I go a while without any of those things, my ambition comes back. I have a lot more drive to accomplish things. To set goals and actually follow through and meet them, rather than just sit around and think how nice it would be if I could ever manage to get my act together. It's not physical lethargy or laziness, though. It's mental/emotional.

An Ayurveda practitioner once told me to get off dairy -- especially these kinds of cold, liquidy things like yogurt (and I was still eating ice cream at the time). I'm a kapha-type, and we tend to get sluggish/depressed. Dairy is said to exacerbate this. I don't give this stuff 100% credence, but in my case, it seems to be true.

Probably not the kind of answer you're looking for, but I thought I'd chime in b/c you never know. I think most of us know so little about the connections between our food and our moods.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on September 14, 2012
at 04:21 AM

Let them go "woo" themselves, then. :) Like you said, you don't give it 100% credence, but just because you don't understand *how* it works doesn't mean you don't understand that it *does* work.

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

(205)

on September 15, 2012
at 12:53 AM

I definitely am not saying woo because I totally get you and agree with what you are saying. I also recently read that butter and heavy cream have very minimal casein, which is likely why you can tolerate these dairy items better than other dairy with greater amounts of casein. Awareness of ourselves is the only path to wellness (physical and otherwise). thanks for responding. I appreciate it.

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B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

on September 14, 2012
at 04:33 AM

There are a lot of symptoms that can be associated with dairy sensitivity (as illustrated above) but how would you ever attribute that to dairy as opposed to some other food?

I would consider doing a 30-day elimination diet with the paleo staples (meat, veggies, fats) and then adding in a small amount of dairy. Stay at that amount for a week, then go up incrementally. Monitoring changes in your body closely (like more mucus, nasal congestion, bloating etc) is the only way to identify low-grade inflammation.

This little experiment kills 2 birds w/one stone: do you have a sensitivity to even the smallest amount of dairy? If so, you may want to consider SCD legal goat milk. If not, is your sensitivity dose-dependent, meaning it only happens at a pint a day? A quart a day?

A properly done n=1 experiment can do wonders.

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

(205)

on September 15, 2012
at 12:56 AM

Great idea. Am easing my way into autoimmune paleo and gave up eggs and nightshades this week, will give up nuts/seeds next week. Don't do any dairy now except for kerrygold butter on sweet potatoes. Was hoping to hang on to something.

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05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

on September 14, 2012
at 02:57 AM

I guess it would depend if you have leaky gut too right? I think the body forms antibodies to casein if it get through the intestinal wall and if this was the case and you had no "obvious" reaction this could still be happening on the inside I suppose.

3f0a69f164d8fac2cdee80c19526f83f

(205)

on September 15, 2012
at 12:49 AM

Probably have a leaky gut as I was just diagnosed with Hashimoto's. And I am beginning to understand that the casein and gluten proteins physically resemble each other. Guess it is just better to cut it out. thx

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 15, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Have you checked out the book? by Anne Angelone "The Autoimmuned Paleo Diet"? http://www.amazon.com/The-Autoimmune-Paleo-Diet-ebook/dp/B0092FZKK4

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2aa70e52f948a66bdc3bfdecb0498987

on September 14, 2012
at 01:48 AM

I get bad acne on my face and back. I also have Rheumatoid Arthritis and I swell within an hour of having most dairy.

E5d4889d675291f020c72e958de1f77b

(646)

on September 14, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Another acne sufferer here. My face and chest. Acne FOREVER.

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1ef2c3bfd6bb37877b02fddc819bebac

on September 14, 2012
at 01:45 AM

I get itchy, bloated and runny/stuffed nose with sneezing etc.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on September 14, 2012
at 01:48 AM

me too. the phlegm is the main problem for me.

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