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Does this make dairy more Paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 21, 2012 at 2:36 PM

It looks like man domesticated cattle for dairy production at least 7000 years ago according to this http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120620133153.htm

Personally I use dairy primarily as butter and cream, but I know a lot don't.

Does this make milk and other dairy more paleo to you? Is anybody's mind about dairy changed by this?

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on June 22, 2012
at 02:24 PM

Of course a label is just a label. I was curious how folks would react to the fact that scientists have scene genomic reposnses to consuming dairy for only 7000 years (that we know of anyway). If we can react that fast to new dietary changes that may bode well (or maybe not so well) for our adaptation to other changing things.

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on June 21, 2012
at 11:10 PM

7000 years ago, any milk consumed was probably fermented.

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on June 21, 2012
at 04:44 PM

I called it Primal. =)

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on June 21, 2012
at 04:35 PM

You call it Neolithic, he calls it Primal, the neighbors swear it's kosher and the dog claims it's halal. Me? I think it's delicious, digestible, and nourishing. My health markers are good so clearly it's not causing me problems.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on June 21, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Dairy doesn't affect my husband or me negatively, but both of my boys had issues with it. My oldest (20) outgrew it, but my youngest (8) still has some issues. We eat cheese, drink kefir, use European-style sour cream that contains probiotics, and occasionally have Greek yogurt or cottage cheese, but don't ever have milk in the house.

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on June 21, 2012
at 02:48 PM

Thanks, and agreed it is just a blink in time. But the article does discuss evolutionary changes due to the practice. Some of the paleo argument is that we haven't had time to genetically adapt to neo foods. In the case of dairy maybe there has been significant adaptation amoung at least some of us. Its interesting for sure.

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61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on June 21, 2012
at 02:42 PM

7000 years ago is Neolithic, not Paleolithic. However, it doesn't matter to me. I still consume small amounts of dairy, and call it Primal.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on June 21, 2012
at 02:48 PM

Thanks, and agreed it is just a blink in time. But the article does discuss evolutionary changes due to the practice. Some of the paleo argument is that we haven't had time to genetically adapt to neo foods. In the case of dairy maybe there has been significant adaptation amoung at least some of us. Its interesting for sure.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 21, 2012
at 04:44 PM

I called it Primal. =)

A9007c998e3b924deebbe9ebb98d4db6

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on June 21, 2012
at 11:10 PM

7000 years ago, any milk consumed was probably fermented.

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on June 21, 2012
at 04:35 PM

You call it Neolithic, he calls it Primal, the neighbors swear it's kosher and the dog claims it's halal. Me? I think it's delicious, digestible, and nourishing. My health markers are good so clearly it's not causing me problems.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 21, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Dairy doesn't affect my husband or me negatively, but both of my boys had issues with it. My oldest (20) outgrew it, but my youngest (8) still has some issues. We eat cheese, drink kefir, use European-style sour cream that contains probiotics, and occasionally have Greek yogurt or cottage cheese, but don't ever have milk in the house.

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on June 21, 2012
at 07:10 PM

There are a lot of reasons people are anti-dairy. Some of those reasons are justifiable, many are not.

Bottom line: dairy entered into the human diet because SOME people have evolved the ability to digest milk as adults. Something like 80% of the world's population doesn't have this ability. If they consume dairy it is after some processing (e.g. cultured, as yoghurt or kefir, as butter etc.)

This is one instance where humans have evolved since the paleolithic. Whatever you feel about the food industry, conditions of animal care etc. etc. You are either a milk-digesting person (like me) or you aren't.

PS: as a diabetic, I very seldom drink milk (too many carbs) I use cream in coffee and make yoghurt.

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on June 22, 2012
at 02:04 AM

Lactose and galactose seem to be fairly major issues for some. At any rate, as hard to digest sugars, they feed bacteria in all the wrong places if consumed to excess.

I eat aged cheese only, and butter, as I have digestive problems, but I figure that fermented, especially heavily aged dairy is probably better because of the lactose, galactose issue.

Whether people ate things or not, is not a huge concern to me, more whether its healthy. In that sense, for me, paleo is an ideal, a template not a hard and fast rule.

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on June 22, 2012
at 08:10 AM

Naming and categorizing it won't change its effect on you, right? It doesn't matter how old or new a certain food is, if you like it and tolerate it, eat it. If you have an allergy to orgainc grass fed beef liver will you still eat it just because it's super paleo? Don't put yourself in unnecessary cages, we already have other people doing that for us ;)

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

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on June 22, 2012
at 02:24 PM

Of course a label is just a label. I was curious how folks would react to the fact that scientists have scene genomic reposnses to consuming dairy for only 7000 years (that we know of anyway). If we can react that fast to new dietary changes that may bode well (or maybe not so well) for our adaptation to other changing things.

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on June 21, 2012
at 10:47 PM

I will have some butter now and again, but on a very rare occasion. I am one of those people who doesn't tolerate dairy very well. I don't get horribly sick, but it always seems to upset my stomach.

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on June 21, 2012
at 10:36 PM

I don't know if it's because it's not politically correct or not, but you don't hear enough about ethnicity/genetic origins in these conversations. The people who tolerate dairy well and those who don't are largely determined by this. Many people of European origin can tolerate dairy, while most of African or Asian origin cannot. This is legitimately helpful information to know, at least I think so.

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on June 21, 2012
at 03:22 PM

I will "indulge" with a glass of raw milk we get from a cow share down the road. That might be once ever 2 weeks or so. other than that, i don't do any other dairy. At the end of the day, it's about figuring out what works for your body or not. Paleo. Primal. Ancestral. Whatever you want to call it. I don't condone any raw dairy. Our dairy system in the US absolutely sucks and is totally backwards.

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on June 21, 2012
at 02:53 PM

I make homemade kefir (not the store bought stuff, which is not even close as healthy and unnecessarily expensive). The longer that you culture it, the less lactose there is.

Your question is a good one. I gave you a +1. It is very interesting that we, the human race, are currently in the middle of a shift with our genetic structure to lactose tolerance. Does this show how long it takes for a mutation to become established? And this new data gives us a better idea how long we have been drinking milk.

Personally, older is better, to my way of thinking. I don't want to be part of the experimental group. I don't want to be selected against. Let someone else be part of the experimental group.

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