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Does anyone out there actually thrive on a lot of dairy?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 30, 2012 at 3:49 AM

Not a hypothetical "anyone out there", I mean any of YOU fellow PHers of course.

Simple question, does anyone consume a LOT of dairy and not just tolerate it but actually seem to thrive on it? And I don't just mean dairy fats like HWC, butter and ghee.

I ask because I have been pretty strict and careful with my diet for a pretty long time. I feel really great, and I am almost at my goal weight/body comp. I work out hard, play hard, and rest hard. So I am not really looking to lose more weight, but I would like to continue leaning out/getting stronger (without chunking up.) Aside from HWC and butter, the only dairy I consume is the rare little bit of cheese (very rare), and every now and then when I really feel like I need a treat, I'll have some Greek yogurt with cinnamon. I do also eat goat kefir on a fairly regular basis.

So I know no one can tell me what my body will thrive on, n=1 and all the obvious cliches. But the thing is, as much as I love steak, eggs, and my beloved greens, as much as I love bacon, and mushrooms, and all of my favorite paleo treats... I love yogurt. It's my favorite food. Full fat Greek yogurt, I could eat it all day every day and nothing else. I would really love to majorly up my yogurt intake (while still consuming lots of meat, eggs and veg.) I feel like it would be one of the best gifts I could give myself, as I really do feel pure joy when I consume it.

I am a bit nervous to experiment with eating too much of it because the only Paleo person I have seen on here who talks about eating lots of yogurt while leaning out is Nance; usually I just read about how it stalls weight loss or causes bloating. Note that I am a 24 y.o female, active, good but not great shape.

So, I would love to hear from anyone who consumes lots of yogurt or other dairy (milk, dairy kefir, cheese, whatever) and thrives on it. I would especially like to hear from other women, or anyone who includes it in their "leaning out" diet as opposed to a "bulking up/mass gain" diet, but any input would be helpful!

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on May 30, 2012
at 10:27 PM

Me too, I would sometimes binge on yoghurt with cornflakes and raisins. OMG, I can barely talk about it, Iwant it so much!

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on May 30, 2012
at 09:56 PM

Anyone out there with proof of inflammation levels? CRP measurements?

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on May 30, 2012
at 09:44 PM

damn i love(d) cereal and milk/yogurt...it was the highlight of my morning (sometimes middle of day and night time too haha)

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on May 30, 2012
at 08:59 PM

And which orifice are you putting cheese and milk down?

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on May 30, 2012
at 07:39 PM

That is really interesting. Especially the raw milk fast- I would love to hear more about that. I don't consume any milk but only because it doesn't really fit in anywhere in my diet. I have turned the idea of a raw milk fast over and over in my head, just as an experiment, but have never heard anyone's experience with it. Did you exercise a lot? Experience any body recomp, and if so, what kind?

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on May 30, 2012
at 02:31 PM

Interesting, I am half Dainsh and half Czech. I've been wondering if I'm more lacto-adapted than my boyfriend who breaks out like crazy after eating dairy.

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on May 30, 2012
at 01:24 PM

Me! I have been using dairy, this includes sheeps and goats milk, to gain weight, and keep it on, build muscles, etc. Raw when I can get it, always organic - cheese, yogurt, milk. The majority is yogurt with milk and cheese rolling in now and then. Still fast, strong, lean and mean :)

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on May 30, 2012
at 01:18 PM

Peatarians sound off! ;) Just a thought but I'm thinking that anyone attempting that type of diet would stand the best chance consuming only raw dairy.

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on May 30, 2012
at 06:21 AM

what sort of knife do you use to slice Greek Yoghurt?

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on May 30, 2012
at 04:37 AM

I have eaten milk, cheese and yogurt all my life. Until late last year it was all low fat :( Since November last year when I went to a LCHF diet it all went to full fat. Like you I now love full fat no sugar Greek yogurt and make liters of it a week. I buy all sorts of real cheese and just eat it in salads or when I want a snack. Unfortunately I am very thin and cannot seem to gain any weight. I drink two large mugs of organic Milk a day as well.

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on May 30, 2012
at 03:58 AM

Good question, I'm curious too. Even after healing my leaky gut and coming to the point where I can tolerate it from a digestive aspect, it still causes noticeable inflammation in me.

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Bbb65dfde2b925e334048eb6438b3950

on May 30, 2012
at 10:35 AM

I have leaned out while consuming ridiculous amounts of heavy cream and full fat Greek yoghurt.Now I can see the veins under my skin above my inguinal ligaments, and I used to look like the ladies in renaissance paintings. I eat quite a lot of Havarti and Cheddar and some butter. It is only when I eat vegetables and fruit or any FODMAPs that I get bloated. I love steamed broccoli but my stomach balloons within half an hour of eating it. Oddly enough (maybe not so oddly if you think about FODMAPs) I can have some candy or soda (made with sugar, not HFCS here) without bloating, but I become lethargic of course.

I eat my yoghurt straight up, because if I add raisins or (god forbid) cornflakes, my favorite combination, I get very bloated and lethargic.

Bbb65dfde2b925e334048eb6438b3950

on May 30, 2012
at 10:27 PM

Me too, I would sometimes binge on yoghurt with cornflakes and raisins. OMG, I can barely talk about it, Iwant it so much!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 30, 2012
at 09:44 PM

damn i love(d) cereal and milk/yogurt...it was the highlight of my morning (sometimes middle of day and night time too haha)

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on May 30, 2012
at 09:33 PM

In short, the fittest, leanest, and strongest I have ever been was when the base of my food pyramid was basically greek yogurt and cottage cheese with a combination of anything from fruit, to salad, to stir fry, to meat, to just cinnamon....so yes...I believe you can thrive off dairy

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on May 30, 2012
at 01:24 PM

Before I started Paleo, I had been steadily losing weight eating dairy everyday (a serving or two of yogurt and always cheese too), like almost 30lbs. I ate lots of veggies, fruits, greek yogurt, cheese, and things like flax seed and oatmeal with occasional wheat bread. I'm 29y.o getting close to my goal weight, pretty decent in-shape.

I tried VLC (no dairy) for over a month and hated it, I know some people love it but I learned through trial that it just isn't for me. I didn't really lose any weight, maybe a little fat and felt miserable the whole time. I do so much better with moderate carbs!

I hear you on the greek yogurt, I love love love it too. I went 30+ days no dairy/no grains and am now just starting to try and reintroduce some dairy. I'm not quite sure how I'm doing with it yet though. I ended up eating one huge meal yesterday that included over a cup of yogurt, I think I'm a little bloated right now but that could also be because I am expecting Ms. Flow. From my previous weight loss, I think (hoping?!) I will be able to tolerate some greek yogurt and occasional cheese. I've read that harder cheeses and yogurt are some of the best dairy options anyways.

I don't really like the idea of depriving myself of things I love and I've always been a dairy girl, loving cheese mainly, I can do without milk. Maybe try a 1/4 cup or so to start?

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on May 30, 2012
at 05:03 AM

I grew up drinking whole milk with every meal. I quit while in my college freshman documentary-watching vegetarian phase and added it back in after getting comfortable with paleo/primal over a span of a year. I have honestly never noticed a bad effect, but ymmv. Actually, I feel like my skin looks better when I get on milk craving kicks. Every day I drink heavy cream in my coffee and a couple times a week I eat cheese, butter, yogurt, or drink milk. I keep everything organic when possible. On a SAD diet I am skinny fat, paleo+dairy I'm much much leaner. Just my experience. I'll take any chance to talk about my love for dairy ha.

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on May 30, 2012
at 06:28 PM

I had my best weight-loss success when I ate a lot of meat, eggs, and cheese -- from 1/4 to 1/2 pound of cheese per day. Nothing special, just a cheap hard cheese like cheddar or colby from the store. I felt great and had as much energy as I've ever had, with no noticeable ill effects.

I also did a 10-day raw milk diet a couple years ago -- about two gallons of raw Jersey milk every day, and nothing else but water -- and felt great. It even seemed to clear up the chronic sinus congestion that I've had for years, which I had guessed might be caused by dairy. I really should do that again one of these days, to see if I get the same results.

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on May 30, 2012
at 07:39 PM

That is really interesting. Especially the raw milk fast- I would love to hear more about that. I don't consume any milk but only because it doesn't really fit in anywhere in my diet. I have turned the idea of a raw milk fast over and over in my head, just as an experiment, but have never heard anyone's experience with it. Did you exercise a lot? Experience any body recomp, and if so, what kind?

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on May 30, 2012
at 01:48 PM

I seem to tolerate it fine in small doses, not a surprise with my Danish heritage. While on a Whole30, I certainly lost a few pounds and was the leanest I've ever been as an adult (maybe a bit too much...), but a little cream in my morning beverage is totally worth it.

I use Greek yogurt in lieu of sour cream, in sauces and salad dressings. I don't do much cheese anymore, and try to keep it raw when I do. And ice cream on a rare occasion.

I know you weren't looking for anecdotal evidence, but I always think about this when I think of dairy: http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2037749_2219823,00.html. 1500 calories a day of almost nothing but pure sour milk, and she's gorgeous, strong, and healthy (looking, anyway). Obviously there are myriad number of factors different in our lives versus hers, but it's at least evidence that dairy isn't evil to everyone.

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on May 30, 2012
at 02:31 PM

Interesting, I am half Dainsh and half Czech. I've been wondering if I'm more lacto-adapted than my boyfriend who breaks out like crazy after eating dairy.

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on June 03, 2012
at 01:55 AM

If by thrive you mean poop all day with stomach cramps, yes.

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on June 03, 2012
at 01:39 AM

I consume full-fat yogurt or kefir on a daily basis. The results have been better for both weight and energy than when going strict paleo (no dairy at all).

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on June 02, 2012
at 11:30 PM

I had fun with it for a while, but it's just not for me. I am still constipated and I stopped consuming it a while back. I wish I hadn't experimented with it because my digestion was close to perfect before I started consuming it.

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on June 02, 2012
at 09:38 PM

I try to avoid eating a lot of dairy, but I do know from past experience that I can tolerate it relatively well. My only problem is with things like cheese I have a hard time stopping... not as bad as it is with sugar, but not great either.

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on June 02, 2012
at 05:55 PM

I don't know about thrive but Greek yogurt with honey is like giving my mouth an orgasm.

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on May 30, 2012
at 11:25 PM

I eat ricotta, yogurt, cheese, cottage cheese, heavy cream on daily basis. (not all at once:)) And i am surprisingly very nicely leaning out. I usually have a snack every day consisting of ricotta plus home made yogurt plus fruit. Oh and piece of cheese after dinner, i prefere raw cheeses or goats organic cheese. a splash of heavy cream in my coffee and a bit on my blueberries... Omg, life can be so wonderfull, i love it!

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on May 30, 2012
at 02:45 PM

I basically exist on one form of dairy or another. Whole milk, whey protein isolates, greek yogurt, casein proteins...I know, shakes are not a substitute for real foods but I am lazy and my protein requirement is over 145 grams per day.

I mix almond butter, whole grains, and fiber into my shakes with whole milk as the base so my macronutrients balance out (40/30/30). I also snack on fruits and vegetables during the day. Lunch I generally eat chicken breast with a spinach salad with mixed nuts/tomatoes. So I'm not a total shake freak! lol.

I have had no allergic reactions to my diet. No bloating, gas, cramping, etc.

Total dairy intake a day...2-3 cups of whole milk, 3-4 scoops of protein, 1-2 single servings of greek yogurt, and the oddball ice cream mix (I love the vanilla butterfinger mix from Braums).

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on May 30, 2012
at 02:40 PM

I eat a lot of dairy: every morning a glass of milk kefir (homemade with whole milk), and usually at noon a yogurt combo of full-fat greek yogurt and some homemade sheep's milk yogurt. Often I'll have another snall glass of milk kefir in the mid-afternoon to stave off nutella cravings. I also take heavy cream in my coffee. I like to think I'm thriving - I'm maintaining a lean weight (145 pounds for 5'11" female) without much trouble, I'm currently training for some trail running this summer, and I haven't gotten sick in as long as I can remember. The last time I felt "bad" - headache, bloating - was after a cheat involving gluten/sugar stuff like cake and cookies.

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on May 30, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Have no problem with dairy products. Eat a fair amount of mostly hard cheeses made from whole and semi skimmed milk, and consume normal and half fat yogurt (2 and 4% fat) natural, besides fermented whey and kefir. On rare occasions I have fresh pasteurized milk in coffee and such.

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on May 30, 2012
at 01:14 PM

I eat about 1-2 oz of cheese every day (usually raw milk) and have (full fat) yogurt with fruit a few times a week. I strain the yogurt myself since I haven't been able to find a store-bought greek yogurt that I'm happy with.

All other things being equal (in other words, if I don't up my calories) dairy doesn't seem to have any effect on my weight at all, nor do I have any problem with bloating.

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on May 30, 2012
at 01:02 PM

I eat full fat grass-fed yogurt and cheese everyday with no issues. Kerrygold makes some great grass-fed cheeses. I have no issues with these two things, although I have recently noticed a stomach issue when I occasionally indulge in regular pasteurized cream/milk in a coffee.

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on May 30, 2012
at 05:28 AM

In my opinion (and experience), Greek yogurt is one of the best dairy options, however you slice it. From the calorie/nutrient breakdown, it's one of the better protein and fat sources. I added it back after stint on strict paleo without any negative results. Cheese and milk don't go down the same way.

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on May 30, 2012
at 06:21 AM

what sort of knife do you use to slice Greek Yoghurt?

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on May 30, 2012
at 08:59 PM

And which orifice are you putting cheese and milk down?

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