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Dairy Confusion

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 14, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Hi,

I'm a recent convert to the Paleo approach, having read some of De Vany and Cordain's books/blogs. One thing I'm a bit confused on is where I stand vis-a-vis dairy products.

Some of what I've read suggests eliminating dairy entirely. That has been principally my approach, eg no milk in tea/coffee, no milk in the cereal that I don't eat any more anyway!

However some posts refer to butter and cream. Is there a rule of thumb?

A bit of hard cheese now and again would be great, if I'm allowed it!

Thanks

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

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on February 27, 2011
at 10:08 PM

Yes, I think so. I can't answer yes or no for sure because I don't buy greek yogurt.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on February 27, 2011
at 09:52 PM

Is drained yogurt the greek kind?

2422dcf52da053d610d816fe90d93098

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on February 18, 2011
at 10:16 AM

The cook book arrived late last week and I have only browsed. I plan to make something from it this evening, will post again in another week or so once I've given it a chance.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on February 15, 2011
at 07:20 PM

How are you liking his cook book? I personally haven't found it very useful.

2422dcf52da053d610d816fe90d93098

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on February 15, 2011
at 09:49 AM

Thanks Elizabeth, most of this is pretty new to me. I found this forum via Kurt Harris, who I just discovered via Doug McGuffie's blog on exercise, which I got from DeVany's site! Thanks for the recommended reading, I just recently bought Sisson's Primal Blueprint cookbook.

2422dcf52da053d610d816fe90d93098

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on February 15, 2011
at 09:37 AM

Agree entirely re the amount of hard cheese, especially if the block is in front of me.

5841391284e7af8c495c54bd90d3a795

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on February 15, 2011
at 05:42 AM

"Allowed" really doesn't apply. No one's going to slap it out of your hand. Some use it, some don't, some use *some* kinds of dairy like butter or cream. See if it works for you.

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on February 14, 2011
at 07:46 PM

I do not think you can say that Cordain has "fear of fat". He is not a fat enthusiast, but has no problem at all with a reasonable consumption of fat. Remember that paleo is not low carb....

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D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on February 14, 2011
at 04:53 PM

If you have digestion issues, which most people do at first, then dairy probably isn't the best choices unless its raw, grass fed. My experience with hard cheese is that consumption of it is never a bit. You're allowed to do what you want to do. I wasn't able single cheese out as causing me troubles. But I did see milk and yogurt cause me problems so I cut out the cheese for a while. Hopefully, I'll be able to eat it again some day. That day is not now.

Butter and cream are more often allowed because they're mostly fat with a few milk solids. Not much lactose, not much casein, not much whey (which is the odd trouble maker for me, isolate powder puts me to shame.). People will also talk about A1 versus A2 cattle breeds. Test it out for yourself. Milk is a highly individual issue.

2422dcf52da053d610d816fe90d93098

(177)

on February 15, 2011
at 09:37 AM

Agree entirely re the amount of hard cheese, especially if the block is in front of me.

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on February 14, 2011
at 06:12 PM

This is indirectly related to your question - you mentioned two authors only. Many folks (not everyone) on these boards consider Cordain and DeVany to be misguided in their fear of fat. To get more balance, I suggest Wolf and Sisson for books, and absolutely read Kurt Harris' blog PaNu.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on February 15, 2011
at 07:20 PM

How are you liking his cook book? I personally haven't found it very useful.

2422dcf52da053d610d816fe90d93098

(177)

on February 15, 2011
at 09:49 AM

Thanks Elizabeth, most of this is pretty new to me. I found this forum via Kurt Harris, who I just discovered via Doug McGuffie's blog on exercise, which I got from DeVany's site! Thanks for the recommended reading, I just recently bought Sisson's Primal Blueprint cookbook.

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on February 14, 2011
at 07:46 PM

I do not think you can say that Cordain has "fear of fat". He is not a fat enthusiast, but has no problem at all with a reasonable consumption of fat. Remember that paleo is not low carb....

2422dcf52da053d610d816fe90d93098

(177)

on February 18, 2011
at 10:16 AM

The cook book arrived late last week and I have only browsed. I plan to make something from it this evening, will post again in another week or so once I've given it a chance.

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E4740ba320dccd0e7a5bcc279bc90775

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on February 14, 2011
at 05:12 PM

I think one important concept of Paleo is that different things work for different people, and you need to work out what works for you. I would suggest eliminating dairy completely for maybe 30 days and then introducing different forms of dairy back in and see if they cause problems. Ideally the dairy would be from grassfed sources.

Personally I do ok with butter, but cream gives me sinus problems and pressure in my ears. I also do ok with most hard cheeses, but soft cheeses give me digestive problems.

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1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

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on February 14, 2011
at 04:59 PM

The low carb forms of dairy like butter, drained yogurt, hard cheese, cream cheese, sour cream, etc. don't cause me any problems, so I eat them. But I avoid the higher carb forms of dairy like milk, undrained yogurt and kefir, etc. because they cause me to gain weight very rapidly. The problem for me seems to be the whey because that's where the carbs are...in the whey.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on February 27, 2011
at 09:52 PM

Is drained yogurt the greek kind?

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 10:08 PM

Yes, I think so. I can't answer yes or no for sure because I don't buy greek yogurt.

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on February 14, 2011
at 04:59 PM

I find things like butter and hard cheeses do not have any effect on me, and so I eat a lot of them. Now soft cheeses and yoghurt...I do not suffer GI issues but they seem to give me cravings for other 'borderline' items. Cream seems to be OK.

I like Dr. Kurt Harris' reasoning that we are not after paleolithic re-enactment - more that we are re-creating the specific nutritional benefits of such a diet with modern day food items like butter and cream.

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on February 27, 2011
at 08:09 PM

I do well with Horizon whole milk (with added DHA), my husband and I are both lactose intolerant, and we have tried lactose-free milk and even soy milk and almond milk but none of it sits well with us. then we decided to go for the organic Horizon brand milk and we both agree that its easy on our stomachs and is very satisfying.

I drink Horizon milk and eat greek yogurt and cottage cheese on a weekly basis, all other kinds of dairy cheeses and such I eat every once in a while. at the moment I am pregnant and the hoprizon milk, greek yogurt and cottage cheese helps me to meet my daily protein recommendation, which I have tried to meet without the dairy products and I found that I became very constipated with the amount of nuts and meat that I had to eat. so this way works for me :)

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Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

on February 14, 2011
at 05:46 PM

Milk and dairy are not strictly paleo: they have a neolithic origin as food staples. Nevertheless heavy cream and butter are recommended by K. Harris since they do not contain much lactose or casein the two problematic substances in milk. Also fermented milk-yoghurt is accepted by many here. There are other foods such as coffee, avocados, sweet potatoes or olive oil that, although they are not strictly paleo are accepted or liked by many of us, on the basis of its positive health effects.

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on February 14, 2011
at 05:31 PM

organic butter and heavy cream are staples in my diet. raw milk is great too. and i eat hard cheeses several times a week. if you are not sensitive to lactose/casein then there is no need to exclude dairy from your diet. if you are sensitive to lactose/casein, you should still be able to eat hard cheeses and definitely ghee.

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on February 14, 2011
at 05:30 PM

I drink heavy cream with my coffee. I also have a few gulps of heavy cream after a meal. I also cook with butter. And I enjoy hard cheeses. I don't seem to have any digestion or weight-gain problems regarding these types of dairy.

But that's just me.

YMMV

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