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CF Football Paleo + Dairy for performance gain

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 27, 2011 at 3:25 AM

Hi, the base of my question is whether the use of dairy is necessary in the improvement of athletic prowess in terms of maximizing recovery and muscle gains. Along with the increase in calories, Welbourn indicates the whole milk shows increased precence of IGF, hGH, insulin and testosterone. Can you achieve similair results and hormonal outcomes using traditional paleo measures (red meat, starchy veg etc) or do the benefits come simply come from the use of the milk.

Edit: My goal is to increase athletic performance and gains, although I am going to n=1 with the use of some A2 beta-casein milk (in supermarkets in aust) or organic milk purely post workout and see how the body comp/strength gains chart.

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

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on November 27, 2011
at 12:26 PM

Exactly. Nutrient dense foods.

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on November 27, 2011
at 11:24 AM

Milk. Eggs. Beef. Etc.

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on November 27, 2011
at 10:07 AM

Daniel, many have problems with dairy proteins. I don't but it's worth noting many do. :-)

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on November 27, 2011
at 06:32 AM

I seem to see slight increases in some pimples etc on the face with dairy but nothing in the way of digestion, energy levels etc. I will do a few experiments and ill see how it goes, just trying to maximise athletics results rather than the long term health benefits

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on November 27, 2011
at 06:22 AM

How well do you tolerate dairy products? I see no reason to avoid those which do not cause problems. In my case, lactose causes problems, but proteins and fat from dairy products do not...

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on November 27, 2011
at 06:12 AM

John says not to do it if your over 30. IGF can be a huge cancer promoter in older adults according to him.

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D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

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on November 27, 2011
at 10:06 AM

Whey is high in ketogenic amino acids leucine and lysine which is why it's used as a mass gainer (they skyrocket insulin).

Liver is also high in these amino acids.

How did people ever get massive before whey went from being a waste product to being a supplement? :-)

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on November 27, 2011
at 11:24 AM

Milk. Eggs. Beef. Etc.

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

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on November 27, 2011
at 12:26 PM

Exactly. Nutrient dense foods.

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on November 27, 2011
at 02:46 PM

You need to define "increased performance" to determine if this is a good idea for you. Performance for what? The ability to life heavier? The ability to run a marathon faster? I am assuming you want heavy lifts from cffb so the milk would surely help. If your goals are on line with CFFB and you trust kohn's programming, you should trust his nutrition.

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on November 27, 2011
at 12:19 PM

I drink a gallon a day and love it. Performance, health and energy has never been better. If you tolerate it your doing yourself a disservice by not drinking it imo.

Regarding the acne vit A usually helps with that in my experience, so eat more liver or supplement 10000iu retinol.

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on November 27, 2011
at 05:32 AM

Whey and casein are widely used to gain muscle. There are folks on the board who have done it without dairy.

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