I get acne from dairy but I have not tried raw dairy so I can't truly make the claim. Just curious: Do any of you get acne from most dairy but don't get acne from raw dairy such as raw milk?
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on May 12, 2012
at 05:52 PM
Yes - for the hubby and I. We seem to have these issues with pasteurized dairy giving us acne in general so we avoid it at home, and limit it when eating out. EXCEPT pasteurized butter, ghee, and heavy cream don't give us any issues.
We did 30 day dairy elimination to test and reintroduced slowly in quantity and variety and that is what I would recommend.
We also tested negative for casein sensitivity. My husband is lactose tolerant. I'm lactose intolerant. However, please see: http://paleohacks.com/questions/40047/gluten-and-casein-cross-reactions-successful-reintroduction-of-dairy#axzz1ugAcq3PP
Raw milk should be started slowly like any raw dairy product because your system needs to adjust to the new probiotics (quantity and species):
You only go to the next level if you have no issues at the current level!
If you have issues you wait a few weeks and retest.
1/4 cup - Day 1 & 2
1/2 cup - Day 2 & 3
3/4 cup - Day 3 & 4
1 cup - Day 4 & 5
We rarely drink more then 1 cup of raw milk/daily because we consume such a variety of animal and plant foods.
There is a threshold so usually 1 serving of pasteurized dairy doesn't cause the acne but successive servings over several days does cause us to break out ...
We've done up to 4 servings of raw dairy/day chosen from a variety - yogurt, sour cream, fresh cream, heavy cream, milk, cheese, etc with no ISSUES. We haven't tried more then that because then we wouldn't have room to eat our seafood, meat, and produce!
The best article on raw milk I've seen so far! http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-is-raw-milk-dangerous
The Raw Milk Revolution: Behind America's Emerging Battle Over Food Rights by David E. Gumpert and Joel F. Salatin
The Untold Story of Milk, Revised and Updated: The History, Politics and Science of Nature's Perfect Food: Raw Milk from Pasture-Fed Cows by Dr. Ron Schmid, ND
The Raw Truth About Milk by Dr. William Campbell Douglass II, MD
I used to be terrified of raw milk until November 2011 when I started to drink it regularly.
Background: My mother was unable to nurse me due to severe medical issues, and cow's milk was hard to digest, so my first food was goat's milk. I drank pasteurized cow dairy later (sadly mostly low fat) products from an early age until age 26 and suffered gas. From age 11-26, I had acne which showed no improvement on various creams and antibiotics (now know the worst choice). Doctors said it "couldn't be dietary!"
At age 26,I self-diagnosed myself with lactose intolerance and switched to almond milk and using Lactaid (lactase enzyme supplement) for the occasional dairy. My acne disappeared and friends and family noticed. I never had issues with butter so ate it my entire life because all fake butters and margarines disgusted me.
I started low-carb reducing grains at age 31, then Paleo at age 32. My eczema went away on Paleo. 1 month after dairy elimination while supporting my husband on Paleo (he was going through a very rough time with gluten and autoimmune issues), we both reintroduced dairy - this time 100% whole pastured grass-fed but pasteurized. We had no issues with any amount of heavy cream, butter, and ghee. Other dairy products such as sour cream, cheese and yogurt no more then 1 serving a day would be fine but any more amounts of these products caused slight acne.
After the Weston Price Foundation conference meeting nearly 1000+ people consuming raw dairy their entire life extolling it's virtues, reading the literature, and visiting the raw dairy farms we decided n=1000 was too big to ignore. We realized raw milk was more natural then almond milk.
Unlike in the past, as a child when I ate processed ice cream and felt addicted (perhaps opiate receptors, sugar, and gluten), the raw dairy I don't feel addicted to it. Whether I have 1-3 servings a day, I don't want anymore. When we travel and limit dairy (because it's pasteurized) we miss 2 things the most - raw dairy and fermented veggies!
We have come to believe the more probiotic species the better for the immune system and the best way to collect a wide variety is through raw dairy since fermented vegetables don't have that diversity. Even here on PH, kefir is acknowledge to have the most species! http://paleohacks.com/questions/73151/which-has-a-greater-number-of-species-and-quantity-of-probiotics-fermented-vegg#axzz1m8YbEQOt
Since raw dairy helps with allergies, which is an overreaction of the immune system - perhaps it might help with autoimmune issues too?
It is my understanding almost all the milk, dairy studies were done with pasteurized forms (often lowfat which is oxidized), so to use that data to say dairy is problematic maybe as scientific as saying coconut oil is problematic because they used hydrogenated versions in some studies.
I know raw dairy is a pain to find depending on where you live so that is why many have just written it off - but is that throwing out the baby with the bathwater? According to 23andme DNA results I'm supposed to be lactose intolerant and my husband is lactose tolerant but we are doing great on raw dairy.
Another controversy is insulin and cancer with dairy. The Maasai are drinking LITERS per day and don't have insulin resistance and cancer (which are alleged for dairy) and what about babies who drink milk- are they insulin resistant? Now I know some have said that babies are growing and milk is appropriate for them but that doesn't change the fact that some ancestral populations have consumed fermented dairy products - milk, yogurt, etc.
Of course milk is not Paleolithic, but then neither are nightshades and possibly not even coconut. Yet there are intolerances and allergies to all of the above. Not everyone has a tropical genetic ancestry, those from cold climates or from an inland route would not have had access to coconut. http://paleohacks.com/questions/1405/why-are-coconuts-considered-paleo#axzz1m8YbEQOt
on May 12, 2012
at 05:51 PM
I find that to be the case with me. Raw milk either has no effect or makes things clearer, while the pasteurized stuff is not friendly. If you can get your hands on raw milk, try it for yourself! That's the only way to really know for sure.
on May 13, 2012
at 02:26 PM
Raw milk is dangerous, if the source is not properly 'vetted'. Know your cow intimately. Full testing at the source minimizes human risk, but does not eliminate it. Even standard Pasteurization is not reliable.
on June 12, 2013
at 08:05 PM
YES! At least in my case, raw milk causes the same awful cystic acne that store bought milk has caused. I didn't realize I had a problem with milk until I was 32 (this year!) I can't believe I suffered for so long with this and it was due to milk!