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Why do so many people who follow CW and "pop nutrition" look good?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM

This morning I was watching the Today Show and a nutritionist came on giving tertiary nutrition advice ("don't eat while standing up because in so-and-so study people who ate standing up vs sitting down ate 30% more calories at the next meal", "have 1 or 2 indulgences on the weekend" ) and explained the "skinny solutions" for these "fat habits" (you can watch the video/ read it here- http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44063730/ns/today-today_health/). What got me was what a hot little thing the nutritionist was, a common body type among the low-fat, sometimes vegetarian, die-hard fake-healthy women (we all know the trendy yoga girls sipping their five dollar skinny soy latte) and they're hot! What gives? I've been eating and tweaking paleo for 3 1/2 years and I'm STILL fat! It really frustrates me. Can someone explain this? I don't wanna hear "well look at them in 20 years!" or "yeah but their insides are eating themselves!" etc.

83d6a06c93bb3490dbca339cbbb63385

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on December 06, 2011
at 05:48 PM

Make-up plus good lighting plus Spanx. It's the magic formula.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on August 13, 2011
at 08:16 AM

it's the poorest fields need the most muck on........

61e254571b4c792bca87340a090a3ea1

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on August 13, 2011
at 04:19 AM

It's true it is kinda creepy. But you got to understand some women seem to like the yelling a shit. I don't get it and I don't treat women that way (I still look of course) but some women blow kisses, wiggle there ass and basically just egg it on. I have been working in high rises and ladies will do strip teases with signs and everything. Couples will have sex and wave at the crowds looking at them and do it day after day. But I agree. The average construction worker can be pretty annoying to be around for a lot of reasons. That's why I don't do it all that much these days.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:27 AM

I see your point now that I'm reading through all these answers... I guess I still have a toe (just a toe!) in America's brainwashing. It is refreshing to read everyone's responses that she is not what health looks like.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:24 AM

I'm always shocked at how many people in the "health" profession smoke, eat fast food, etc. I drove past a hospital the other day and saw two nurses on lunch break with take-away containers and large sodas. Try to find a naturopath who smokes. I stopped listening to the trainers at my gym when I noticed taco bell and mcdonalds bags on their desks during lunch.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:23 AM

Haha, very good point. I used to joke about all the gym teachers at my school (same body type as the woman in the video, the skinny muscley look from running so much) got liposuction over the summer.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:21 AM

I'm glad you've found your niche!

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:20 AM

Very true. +1 ..

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:19 AM

You're exactly right... and media tells us we want to be skinny. In another post someone mentioned in reference to Erwan LeCorre (MovNat guy, he's from France, spoke at the AHS) that in Europe men tend to go for the "leaner" look whereas in America, they go for the "ripped" look. I could say the same about women... I prefer a sexy womanly body but America strives for a skinny or ripped female physique.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:17 AM

That's true, I lost 50 lbs on <20 g carbs/ day.... sort of between an atkins and paleo. I came across paleo and slowly crept up about 20 lbs but I feel best eating this way and know that the paleo umbrella is the optimal way of eating.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:15 AM

Haha! Construction men can be creeps. The last guy I dated actually got out of the construction business because he couldn't stand being around that mentality all the time. I'm glad it seems to be a little more humorous in your case. And thanks for your nice words.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:13 AM

That's a very good point, it is difficult to reverse metabolic damage (though I would expect a diet consisting of CW garbage would have some detrimental effects as well?). And thanks for the nice words! I didn't expect this to turn into a "make Danielle feel good" post, lol. I guess living in tiny Asian-land (aka Hawaii) my whole life has made me "bigger" out of default. I am working on getting my "you definitely were latina in a past life" ass to California by the end of the year.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 13, 2011
at 02:17 AM

Don't watch TV if you want to recalibrate your senses to real beauty.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 13, 2011
at 02:15 AM

I did some "on camera work". Grrrrl NEEDS makeup on camera if she's gonna look human. Seriously, healthy or not, expectations for on screen personalities are super human. Stabby is right in my opinion.

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:35 AM

YAY. I upvoted you because your answer made me smile :)

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:28 AM

Oh, you're a tease! We want to hear about it now

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:23 AM

I have found some amazing things.....my favorite was a brute bottle.....long story

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:19 AM

LOL. I am unofficially voting this best answer. Maybe at next year's AHS you can bring us goodie bags of the strange things you find in cadavers' bodies. That would be Quilt-worthy.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:16 AM

Okay maybe not most, but there is a legion of cackling talk-show witches who are lucky to have their magic

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:14 AM

Okay maybe not most, but there are a legion of cackling talk-show witches who are lucky to have their magic.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Seriously! I hardly ever wear makeup and when I do it's minimal. I hear all the time I look best without any makeup

61e254571b4c792bca87340a090a3ea1

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on August 12, 2011
at 11:46 PM

most women don't look good without makeup? I'll agree that the host and nutritionist probably look worse without makeup. But most women? thats crazy. I am not anti makeup or something. But a beautiful women is a beautiful women makeup or no makeup and there are a lot of beautiful women.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:42 PM

Yeah, I don't know what she is complaining about. She looks good.

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:18 PM

@Kie - very true, however I went off birth control to lose the final 10lbs and ended up preggo (epic fail for weight loss!) so just know what's in store if you chose to get off bc

7cc85cf98e4d0cac622f755294ac7ee1

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:12 PM

If you are on birth control, Robb Wolf says it will pretty much destroy your ability to lose weight as a woman. At least getting to that level of BF% you desire.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 12, 2011
at 08:10 PM

I guess you could try Stephan's diet plan. Lightly cooked meat, no added fat, no seasonings. I do think the is something special and healing about raw meat, maybe the lack of AGEs or that some nutrients are destroyed by cooking?

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:10 PM

Some women are blessed genetically! They can eat crap and it doesn't show. Wait until they hit 30.....LOL!

7cc85cf98e4d0cac622f755294ac7ee1

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:06 PM

I should add that not all of those women started out hot... Just saying it can be done.

7cc85cf98e4d0cac622f755294ac7ee1

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:05 PM

I see plenty of hot women at crossfit everyday, perk of the pain I guess.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:04 PM

I did raw (not raw meat) for about 4-6 weeks before the AHS, I only lost 5 lbs in that time period though and have gained back 2 since switching back to paleo. I don't think I can do raw meat... would the effects still be the same if my meat is cooked?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 12, 2011
at 08:02 PM

have you tried a raw diet? I was eating raw when I lost weight. Just raw meat, fish, fruits, and veggies.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:00 PM

However I read through a couple of the success stories on MDA today of obese people now looking great... it seems to happen frequently.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 12, 2011
at 07:57 PM

That's a good point... my sister fits into what I described above and that adds to my frustration. I just always tell myself "SOME day I'll look good" and in the 3 1/2 years it hasn't happened.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 12, 2011
at 07:56 PM

were they ever fat? Once you get fat, it's hard to get unfat.

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76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:19 PM

I think the healthy version of SAD and the paleo diet have more similarities than differences. These pop nutritionists are most likely avoiding white flour, sugar, processed foods, and probably eat tons of salmon (the CW food of the gods) so have a somewhat decent o3:o6 ratio.

It's much easier to stay lean when not previously metabolically damaged then it is to reverse metabolic damage and lean out. Chances are these healthy looking CW people started becoming health conscious (avoiding white flour, sugar, processed foods, alcohol, smoking, and getting exercise) before they had a chance to damage themselves - i.e. at a younger age.

And Danielle, from what I saw of those AHS pics, you look great!

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:13 AM

That's a very good point, it is difficult to reverse metabolic damage (though I would expect a diet consisting of CW garbage would have some detrimental effects as well?). And thanks for the nice words! I didn't expect this to turn into a "make Danielle feel good" post, lol. I guess living in tiny Asian-land (aka Hawaii) my whole life has made me "bigger" out of default. I am working on getting my "you definitely were latina in a past life" ass to California by the end of the year.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:42 PM

Yeah, I don't know what she is complaining about. She looks good.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on August 12, 2011
at 09:19 PM

Because eating unhealthy food doesn't necessarily make you look bad. Especially in a world of cosmetics, like on a talk show where they have makeup people to make them look less witch-like.

Let's stop pretending that most women look good without their makeup. It just ain't true. There are exceptions, though. But let's also stop pretending that physical appearance is an air-tight marker for health. Gweneth Paltrow's osteopenia comes to mind.

Uh, now I feel dirty having to talk about this BS.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:14 AM

Okay maybe not most, but there are a legion of cackling talk-show witches who are lucky to have their magic.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on August 13, 2011
at 08:16 AM

it's the poorest fields need the most muck on........

61e254571b4c792bca87340a090a3ea1

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on August 12, 2011
at 11:46 PM

most women don't look good without makeup? I'll agree that the host and nutritionist probably look worse without makeup. But most women? thats crazy. I am not anti makeup or something. But a beautiful women is a beautiful women makeup or no makeup and there are a lot of beautiful women.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on August 13, 2011
at 12:16 AM

Okay maybe not most, but there is a legion of cackling talk-show witches who are lucky to have their magic

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 13, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Seriously! I hardly ever wear makeup and when I do it's minimal. I hear all the time I look best without any makeup

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 13, 2011
at 02:15 AM

I did some "on camera work". Grrrrl NEEDS makeup on camera if she's gonna look human. Seriously, healthy or not, expectations for on screen personalities are super human. Stabby is right in my opinion.

83d6a06c93bb3490dbca339cbbb63385

(526)

on December 06, 2011
at 05:48 PM

Make-up plus good lighting plus Spanx. It's the magic formula.

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61e254571b4c792bca87340a090a3ea1

on August 12, 2011
at 11:38 PM

She doesn't look cute to me. She looks bony and fragile and so does the host. No thanks. I looked up the pictures of AHS mentioned above. You look way hotter. You can fill out a pare of jeans, and your face is soft and feminine.

I work in construction with lots of men. A little secret no one knows about is that we look at women when they walk by. Even if we are 20 stories up we try to figure out if it's a chick or just a guy with long hair. Anyway my point is, based on this group of men really skinny isn't a good thing.

I am not saying that you aren't skinny or what I would call healthy. I am just saying they are too skinny. In an evolutionary sense what would be the advantage for a women to be that thin? Maybe you just have better genetics hah!. Maybe you want to be thinner just to impress other women or find clothes easier or something. But if it's because you feel unattractive at the weight your at. I think you're nuts. You're radiant, beautiful and sexy.

I'm sorry I didn't answer your question.

61e254571b4c792bca87340a090a3ea1

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on August 13, 2011
at 04:19 AM

It's true it is kinda creepy. But you got to understand some women seem to like the yelling a shit. I don't get it and I don't treat women that way (I still look of course) but some women blow kisses, wiggle there ass and basically just egg it on. I have been working in high rises and ladies will do strip teases with signs and everything. Couples will have sex and wave at the crowds looking at them and do it day after day. But I agree. The average construction worker can be pretty annoying to be around for a lot of reasons. That's why I don't do it all that much these days.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 13, 2011
at 03:15 AM

Haha! Construction men can be creeps. The last guy I dated actually got out of the construction business because he couldn't stand being around that mentality all the time. I'm glad it seems to be a little more humorous in your case. And thanks for your nice words.

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:35 AM

YAY. I upvoted you because your answer made me smile :)

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on August 12, 2011
at 11:53 PM

When I cut them open I see what they have done. It takes time to show up on the facade.....but rest assured it's coming.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on August 13, 2011
at 12:23 AM

I have found some amazing things.....my favorite was a brute bottle.....long story

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 13, 2011
at 12:19 AM

LOL. I am unofficially voting this best answer. Maybe at next year's AHS you can bring us goodie bags of the strange things you find in cadavers' bodies. That would be Quilt-worthy.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:28 AM

Oh, you're a tease! We want to hear about it now

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on August 12, 2011
at 09:01 PM

All depends on their particular equation. Some of the ones you speak of might spend an hour running a day and eat a low-fat diet. You can't really get fat doing that (can't get healthy either). One thing I've observed is that a lot of naturally lean people also happen to skip breakfast due to time constraints or whatever. They end up with built-in IF-ing, continual insulin sensitivity even in the presence of considerable fructose intake, and lower daily energy intake due to one meal being completely missing.

Some are much less sensitive to fructose, don't have downregulated striatal dopamine D2 receptors so they don't become addicted to hyperpalatable food etc. There are countless variables.

The grass is always greener and their adiposity or leanness is irrelevant for your goals unless you somehow actually catalog every variable and analyze it, otherwise they're just misleading anecdotes.

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:16 PM

Remember, there's lots of individual differences and some people (a small fraction, I'd say) can tolerate eating complete crap and still look good. If you can eat crap that sounds nutritious and you look good while doing it, chances are you'll become a TV nutritionist. The 100 or so other people who eat like she says will be fat and a fat nutritionist won't make it on TV. So there's selection bias that you're seeing too. Only the pretty ones make it on TV.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:19 AM

You're exactly right... and media tells us we want to be skinny. In another post someone mentioned in reference to Erwan LeCorre (MovNat guy, he's from France, spoke at the AHS) that in Europe men tend to go for the "leaner" look whereas in America, they go for the "ripped" look. I could say the same about women... I prefer a sexy womanly body but America strives for a skinny or ripped female physique.

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on August 12, 2011
at 08:03 PM

Tolerated is not optimal... I lost a lot of my weight on a typical SAD CW diet. It works. It is not optimal for healthy and longevity, but you can look good. As I lost weight, I learned more and more about nutrition and ended up at Paleo. Most people don't do the research though.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:17 AM

That's true, I lost 50 lbs on <20 g carbs/ day.... sort of between an atkins and paleo. I came across paleo and slowly crept up about 20 lbs but I feel best eating this way and know that the paleo umbrella is the optimal way of eating.

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:36 AM

Also remember, for every hot little thing that makes it onto the Today show with "nutritional credentials," there are probably 1000 overweight, SAD eating nutritionists they would never put on TV. Kinda like everyone knows smoking is bad for you, and doctors and nurses see it first hand every day, but check the smoking area outside of your local hospital. Those guys aren't on the Today show either.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:24 AM

I'm always shocked at how many people in the "health" profession smoke, eat fast food, etc. I drove past a hospital the other day and saw two nurses on lunch break with take-away containers and large sodas. Try to find a naturopath who smokes. I stopped listening to the trainers at my gym when I noticed taco bell and mcdonalds bags on their desks during lunch.

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:42 PM

I think the fact that they look good is why they aren't looking beyond CW. Anyone who doesn't look good following that approach is going to shut up or look elsewhere. Therefore, alternative approaches have a disadvantage, in that the people who follow them are going to tend to look worse, at least at first. It's like observing that a large proportion of people who eat LC diets are fat. Well, yeah, that's why they eat that way.

In a sense, different nutritional theories provide filters. Those for whom a particular approach works tend to think that it must be the right answer, and that anyone for whom it failed must be doing it wrong. Those people for whom it failed, on the other hand, will usually start looking for something else. This can sometimes leave the group who stick with an approach to consist almost only of successful people, giving a skewed perspective if you don't know about the rate of attrition.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:20 AM

Very true. +1 ..

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on August 12, 2011
at 08:28 PM

After I started Paleo, I dropped about 10-12 pounds and then my weight platueu out and wouldn't budge no matter how much cycling I did. Then I started working out with kettlebells and it seems to be the magic bullet! My weight is dropping slowly and steadily now and I feel great. I'm using the Skogg System. So far so good....

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 13, 2011
at 03:21 AM

I'm glad you've found your niche!

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Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

on August 13, 2011
at 12:32 AM

Two words: PLASTIC SURGERY!

It's so rampant and commoditized nowadays. High-quality liposuction in Tijuana costs less than an annual gym membership. I'd bet that most "pretty" CW pushers on TV have had their moments under a knife.

Anyway, I'll add to the chorus here and say that you're a beauty, Danielle!

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:23 AM

Haha, very good point. I used to joke about all the gym teachers at my school (same body type as the woman in the video, the skinny muscley look from running so much) got liposuction over the summer.

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on August 13, 2011
at 02:17 AM

Don't watch TV if you want to recalibrate your senses to real beauty.

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on August 13, 2011
at 12:15 AM

The reason why they look so hot has little to do with food quality and more to do with reduced caloric intake. They are basically fighting a battle every day to limit the amount of calories they eat. They must meticulously count EVERYTHING, especially carbs. Since they are deprived of saturated fats and often micronutrients they must fight hunger constantly.

You could reduce your caloric intake on Paleo, increase your physical activity to the point of pain and probably lose weight but you will stress yourself out doing it. Nobody will want to be around you because you will be acting nasty. When we are depleted of vital nutrients, we become meaner because we are emotionally imbalanced.

I bet that girl is the biggest pain in the ass to any man that dares step into her life.

F' that.

Edit:

Danielle, check you this nugget:

How old is Joy Bauer? .....She looks bad.

I was watching the nutrition "expert" on the Today Show....she looks horrible, her face is bone and wrinkles.... I found an article that says she is only 46?!! Huh??!! She needs to gain a few pounds I'd say. If that is what you get from following her advice, I'll pass. Comments?

I just looked at her now. Gross. She looks like she's starving...because she IS.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 13, 2011
at 03:27 AM

I see your point now that I'm reading through all these answers... I guess I still have a toe (just a toe!) in America's brainwashing. It is refreshing to read everyone's responses that she is not what health looks like.

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on August 12, 2011
at 09:11 PM

Maybe they are hammering themselves with cardio. Slaves to the machines! Push I wonder if they are hungry ALL the time.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 12, 2011
at 08:01 PM

The reason childhood obesity is just a tragedy is that if you get fat that young, it's going to be awful hard to lose weight. I've seen that in my own family. I got fat briefly and lost it quickly. The folks in my family who were fat when they were 7 or for many years have had a much harder slog.

That said, there are some success stories for low-fat vegan diets. I think we should try to learn from them and see what we can copy. I would note that diet's like Joel Fuhrman's literally force you to eat so much leafy greens that you can't eat anything else.

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