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OK, my question is this: Did you really think we had evolved much out of any of our other hunter-gatherer traits, either?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 24, 2011 at 3:05 PM

This is a question raised in this blog I read this AM. I posted the link below. She wants to know this answer. I found the blog intriguing on many levels and then ridiculous on some others.....but I think it is provocative enough to post here and let you answer the question she posed in her blog which sits up at the top of this stream of letters.

Here is a link to her blog. http://lowcarbcurmudgeon.com/2011/07/24/governments-sure-the-answer/

So she asked......what say the hackers?

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on July 25, 2011
at 01:22 PM

I don't think we're historically as self-centered as you suggest, Josh. In part because historically, it was advantageous from a survival perspective to help others in our tribe. That's not really the case anymore for the most part, because people's survival nowadays is not necessarily linked to the survival of their peers.

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on July 25, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Okay fine, you asked for it. Here's my hack answer: one trait we have evolved since hunter-gatherer times is the ability to take two seconds to formulate a clear question instead of grunting :)

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on July 24, 2011
at 10:39 PM

I don't believe that. I believe one of the main factors contributing to our evolution was learning to cooperate.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 24, 2011
at 09:47 PM

Lol.....plus one for the laugh. You lowered my cortisol!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 24, 2011
at 09:46 PM

Josh I read it too and the only difference to me is the position of our epigenetic switches.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

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on July 24, 2011
at 09:12 PM

@Josh M -- really? Are you sure you read it? Because you are telling that certain populations +10,000 years ago had the same incidence of genetic diseases per population (e.g. Tay-Sachs) as we do now? Might want to see: http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/04/snps-dont-lie.php and here too: http://www.pnas.org/content/104/52/20753.full

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on July 24, 2011
at 08:58 PM

@ Patrik - read it - we are still the same.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

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on July 24, 2011
at 07:40 PM

@Josh M -- we are not the same as we were 20k to 10k years ago -- I suggest you read The 10,000 year explosion.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 24, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Plus one........

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 24, 2011
at 04:41 PM

dude.....she asked the question not me! Read the blog and put your two cents in......its really not that hard is it? If you dont like it for any reason just pass on it. It's all cool with me. I had not read about Lustig's latest coercive tactic against business in the SF basin. I thought her blog was provocative and she did ask for a Hack.....this site is about hacking so hack. Of course its scattered. Who cares if it is. The content is idea. And her question I think is a great one. Perfect for this site in fact. So get to hacking will you?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 24, 2011
at 04:37 PM

plus one........

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 24, 2011
at 04:37 PM

dude.....she asked the question. Read the blog and put your two cents in......its not that hard is it? If you dont like it just pass on it. Its all cool. I thought her blog was provacative and she did ask for a Hack.....this site is about hacking so hack and stop bitching.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on July 24, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Any way you can make this question more specific Quilt? I skimmed that post, and it's a bit scattershot.

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66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

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on July 24, 2011
at 04:21 PM

We are basically the same as we were, say 10,000-20,000 years ago, the primary difference is our Culture which is created and determined by humans. Culture was made possible by our large, well developed brains. Take away that culture or drastically modify it and we rapidly revert back to our biologically determined selves. Our biology has 1-2 million years of evolution to back it up, where our cultural beliefs and norms are continually and rapidly changing, for example just a few hundred years ago it was culturally accepted to burn a woman at the stake if she was thought to be a witch, today not so much accepted.

Take a group of people and put them in a situation where civilization and culture have little influence and they revert back to what we are evolved to do, survive. It becomes survival of the strongest, we become aggressive, even self-centered. I think humans naturally do not really want to be controlled or told what to do, but we do allow it because our 'tribe' mentality is so ingrained in us. We do not want to be alone, outside of a Tribe, because that usually means death. We allow others to control us then we resist and fight it. We still fight over territory, still want to force others to think or live the way we do because we think it's the best way.

The only thing that has really changed is our ability to mentality imagine a 'better way of Life' and then head towards it, for good or bad. Biologically we could be transported back in time 80,000 years and after the initial shock, within a few days we would fit right in.

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on July 24, 2011
at 10:39 PM

I don't believe that. I believe one of the main factors contributing to our evolution was learning to cooperate.

66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

(11121)

on July 24, 2011
at 08:58 PM

@ Patrik - read it - we are still the same.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on July 24, 2011
at 04:37 PM

plus one........

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on July 24, 2011
at 09:12 PM

@Josh M -- really? Are you sure you read it? Because you are telling that certain populations +10,000 years ago had the same incidence of genetic diseases per population (e.g. Tay-Sachs) as we do now? Might want to see: http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/04/snps-dont-lie.php and here too: http://www.pnas.org/content/104/52/20753.full

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on July 24, 2011
at 09:46 PM

Josh I read it too and the only difference to me is the position of our epigenetic switches.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on July 24, 2011
at 07:40 PM

@Josh M -- we are not the same as we were 20k to 10k years ago -- I suggest you read The 10,000 year explosion.

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on July 25, 2011
at 01:22 PM

I don't think we're historically as self-centered as you suggest, Josh. In part because historically, it was advantageous from a survival perspective to help others in our tribe. That's not really the case anymore for the most part, because people's survival nowadays is not necessarily linked to the survival of their peers.

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on July 24, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Yes (though I think by evolution you really mean social adaptation). Legs and arms are primarily for foraging. Human ancestors used to have curved fingerbones to forage more efficiently. The use of legs and arms for paleo hunt and gather purposes is further gone today than the paleo diet.

The rest of the ideas in her rant are harder to follow. Dream sequence Pynchonesque paranoia.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 24, 2011
at 09:47 PM

Lol.....plus one for the laugh. You lowered my cortisol!

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on July 24, 2011
at 06:06 PM

Well, I think the dilemma here is that, unlike many other mammals, we don't just live by instincts and genetic programming. It's the old "nature vs. nurture" conversation. So, IMO, we are physically much the same as we were 10-20,000 years ago and our digestion of food should also be similar. Mentally, we are greatly influenced by general culture, family culture and life/job experiences. Our reactions and behaviors, then, are probably quite different than a paleo person's. Only the lucky ones among us even find their way to a simpler life that supports serenity and health.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 24, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Plus one........

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