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High C Reactive Protein Levels: 14.6! (updated)

Answered on April 17, 2015
Created June 23, 2011 at 10:27 PM

I just got my CRP test results. Quick back story: When my doctor found out I was taking 10,000 IU of D3 a day, she had several highly agitated cows. So she ordered up a Vitamin D test, plus a C Reactive Protein (CRP) High-Sensitivity test, because I also told her about my joint pain decreasing when I started ZC eating.

The D levels are fine, of course, although she thinks they're too high and wants me to cut back to 2,000 IU/day. I'm not going to do that. My number is 78 ng/mL, and optimal, according to them, is 35-100. She said mine were on the "high end of normal" and that "could be bad." Alrighty, then.

So the real news, though, is the CRP level. 0-3 is the reference range, and mine is 14.6.

It could be a false positive. They're common, or so a quick scan of the literature seems to show. Or infection, or heart disease, or cancer, but I have no symptoms and no lab work that even remotely points in any of those other directions. I do, however, have a history of joint pain and stiffness, elevated ANA (a marker for autoimmune disorders), and show a high Rheumatoid factor in blood work from when I visited the rheumatologist several years ago.

Of course she wants me to change my diet to include healthywholegrains and then get re-tested. That isn't going to happen; I have no interest in becoming fat and achy again just to prove she's wrong about grains (I mean geez, tons of research on diet and inflammation points to gluten as the likeliest culprit; what on earth makes her think a whole wheat sandwich is going to help?)

It's true that I've had some returning joint pain recently, but it seemed to me to be related to my new standing desk, and increased physical activity. Otherwise, I feel fantastic.

(I'm ZC, which is about as LC as it's possible to get, with plenty of pastured eggs and fatty coldwater fish, if that helps.)

So my questions are: Has anyone else here ever seen CRP levels like this? Should I worry? And:does anyone know of any paleo-compliant interventions that might help bring inflammation down?

UPDATE: After a sleepless night arguing with invisible doctors in my head, lol, I called my rheumatologist's office the next day and asked for the test results from my visit years ago. First of all, I was shocked to find out that I went to see him in October 2001! I didn't realize it was that long ago. That was many years before I knew anything about a low-carb diet.

Secondly, here are the blood panel results from that long-ago visit: ANA: positive. SED rate: 33 (ref range is 0-20). RA factor: 61. So all three were positive. This was also surprising to me; I'd vaguely recalled that some of the tests were positive, but certainly didn't know the numbers were so definitive.

This comes close to sealing the deal for me. I've got RA, or some related AI disease(s), and I'm having a flare. I will get my bloodwork re-done, hopefully by my new doctor (I have an appt July 7 with -- get this -- Dr. House), and meanwhile, I'm going to get on with my life and calm down a bit. I'll probably update again after the next round of labs.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on August 23, 2013
at 04:23 AM

also maybe try cutting out eggs, eggs are one of the foods ppl have the highest rates of food sensitivity (IgG) and inflammation to. it's almost the biggest trigger of acute gallstone attacks. i rmb I passed out once when i drank raw eggs, obv cooking makes it better but i have to wonder if eggs are a source of inflammation. try eating lamb and see if inflammation goes down. also coffee is cross-reactive with gluten and if you have a history of eating wheat, could be source of problem. id lower the salt intake too (drives autoimmune disease and inflammation)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on July 24, 2013
at 03:46 AM

Ha! Good to hear from someone on the Other Side. As time goes by and I fail to expire, or even feel slightly less fabulous, I agree more with my current doctor, who thinks agonizing over CRP is a silly fad. If you're not really sick, CPR can still be elevated for one trivial reason or another, and if you are really sick, it's a sure bet that a high CRP isn't going to be your only, or even your major, symptom

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on July 24, 2013
at 03:44 AM

Ha! Good to hear from someone on the Other Side. As time goes by and I fail to expire, or even feel slightly less fabulous, I agree more with my current doctor, who thinks agonizing over CPR is a silly fad. If you're not really sick, CPR can still be elevated for one trivial reason or another, and if you are really sick, it's a guarantee that a high CPR isn't going to be your only, or even your major, symptom.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 30, 2013
at 03:59 AM

Woah, that sounds awful! I certainly wish him a speedy and complete recovery. My health has actually been fine since posting this. I just had a new set of labs done a month or so ago, and all my numbers are perfectly in range. I didn't have a CRP, though, since my current doctor doesn't think much of it. In the case of your husband, however, I would think that the high CRP was probably a harbinger of trouble. Surely there was a lot of inflammation going on. Thanks for sharing that harrowing tale, and I wish you both all the best.

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on August 28, 2011
at 10:22 AM

Adrienne, did you try eating paleo?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 28, 2011
at 02:36 AM

Hi, Adrienne. VLC means "very low carb," and ZC means "zero carb." A VLC diet generally is no-grain, and only low-carb veggies and meats. A ZC diet is usually meat-only. Both diets tend to be naturally gluten-free, since they're usually completely grain-free, without even gluten free breads (which, I agree, are disgusting -- I'd much rather go without altogether).

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on June 30, 2011
at 09:42 PM

There are quite a few spices which are nightshades. The folks at Horizon Herbs have a very informative catalog, and are happy to answer questions. http://www.horizonherbs.com/ I, too, avoid nightshades. I also find white pepper less bothersome than black.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 08:14 PM

Thanks, Gina. I'll keep an eye out for nightshade spices. My husband's a fan of hot food, so I'll make sure nothing "drifts" over to my plate. ;)

Bbb993c8dacf76dd461703a82686c06a

(135)

on June 28, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Hi Rose, nightshade spices give me terrible joint pain. Watch out for cayenne pepper, red pepper and paprika.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 24, 2011
at 05:45 AM

Hi, Annie. I don't eat any plant matter at all, except for coffee and spices, and haven't for almost two years. In fact, I found that when I went "zero-carb," my joint pain ceased almost immediately. That's in part why I'm so shocked by this number. I *feel* better than I ever have before, although I do admit I've had slight hip pain recently. I almost suspect that if I had a pre-LC lab, I might find that my numbers have improved, even though they're still bad. Anyway. Congrats on finding a way to help your AS, and thanks for your suggestion.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on June 24, 2011
at 04:34 AM

Have you tried cutting out the nightshades? I have AS and cutting out the nightshades has helped to bring inflammation down.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:23 AM

Sadly, Dr. K., her treatment plan is to put me on whole wheat bagels and re-test. I've made an appointment with a different doctor, one who is less frantic over my diet. (I'm very close to positive the simple fact of eating VLC or ZC is not "causing" this; I had RA symptoms and labs long before I ever heard of a low-carb diet. If anything, the pain virtually disappeared on ZC.) Thanks for your sense of urgency; I will pursue this any way I can.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:15 AM

Wow, Anne, what an impressive drop. I've been ZC nearly two years, VLC two years before that (so gluten-free four years), and as I said to my husband, I feel so much better in every way now than I did then, if this is what getting "sicker" feels like, it's a very strange illness indeed.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:46 AM

Thomas, thank you. I'm headed over to your question about beauty and health with my dissertation now. :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:40 AM

Rose I dont normally give medical advice here but this is something you need to eradicate. I hope your doc has treatment plan ready for you. This needs to be addressed ASAP.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:37 AM

im with Kamal on this.....no BAM for me.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:32 AM

You need to obliterate that number......its a biggie. If you have read my stuff you know this is a number i after peddle to the metal. I hope you get a handle on this with your doctor.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 24, 2011
at 01:44 AM

Namby, I'm not sure it's just limited to RA. That's a very helpful question. I'd like to get a whole autoimmune panel done, plus a few other AI tests, and see what can be sussed out. And I'm also interested in the idea of leptin resistance; I've been trying to stuff my brain with as much information about that as possible, since of course I'm interested in the etiology of obesity. Thanks so much for your good answer.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 24, 2011
at 12:01 AM

It seems like such an easy experiment to execute though, doesn't it? Heat samples of plant and animal protein and search for in tact amino acid molecules as well as damaged ones. I just don't trust the fragility of living organisms, not meant to be cooked to death.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:58 PM

Dang that's solid. I'm not in grad school yet! LOL

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:44 PM

BAM BAM- That link isn't quite up to snuff. Something peer-reviewed like this might be better...http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0278691584900371

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:39 PM

Katherine, thanks so much for the thoughtful answer. I think before I do anything rash with my diet, I'm going to cut the D supplementation to 8,000. It's had a wonderful effect on my asthma -- I've barely used my rescue inhaler in the last two months -- but maybe it doesn't need to be at such high levels. And the rest of your advice is very measured; I like that, and I'll take all of your points to consider seriously.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:38 PM

Rose, nature will take care of your body and nourish it with the ingredients it requires to heal itself to its fullest capacity. Your life up to this point seems to have caused systemic damage. It will take some time for you do undo it and achieve homeostasis. Recovery can be a painfully slow process but I believe you can commit yourself to the foods nature provides us.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:36 PM

When I was eating VLC, I had terrible joint pain, and before I went VLC, I weighed 220 pounds and could barely get out of bed some mornings. It was when I went zero-carb that the pain disappeared. And adding veggies back in has brought pain and fat back, twice. Going back to ZC, the pain went away again, and the weight (slowly) too. So, I've got a pretty substantial fear of just tossing carbs -- especially in that amount -- back in to my diet. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it if the evidence were compelling, but so far, all my experience contradicts this advice.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:35 PM

http://www.rawforlife.co.uk/howcookingrobs.php Cooking damages and destroys the amino-acids that our bodies need to build protein. It damages and destroys antioxidants that help protect us from cancer. It damages, destroys (or makes less assimilable) vitamins and minerals. The vitamins in our foods need other substances in the foods to work effectively. Our bodies need those precious things in foods to work efficiently. If they don’t get them, or if they get them in the wrong proportions, they start to work less efficient

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:34 PM

When I was eating VLC, I had terrible joint pain, and before I went VLC, I weighed 220 pounds and could barely get out of bed some mornings. I've got a pretty substantial fear of just tossing carbs -- especially in that amount -- back in to my diet. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it if the evidence were compelling, but so far, all my experience contradicts this advice.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:32 PM

BAM BAM, thanks for your advice. I am quite worried about adding much plant matter back into my diet, because the two times I've experimented with paleo-approved veggies, I've seen a very rapid return of joint pain, followed by weight gain. I've even hypothesized that I am sensitive to phytotoxins in tiny amounts that other people can handle just fine (that's an armchair theory I go with when I can't believe it's just about carbs alone). But I will probably have to begin a new era of dietary experimentation; I just hope I don't make things too much worse.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:25 PM

Ah--Tg and TgAb must be what you mean, Dr. K. No, it was not drawn. Reading about the test (http.//www.thyca.org/thyroglobulin.htm) gives me chills. The possibility of this kind of thyroid issue makes me wonder if that's why I had to go ZC to lose the last 45 pounds, and why when I add even small amounts of vegetable matter my weight shoots up (no kidding -- people think I'm imagining it, but believe me, it's exactly what happens.)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:22 PM

Do you have a source for this: "Cooking destroys essential amino acids in plant and animal protein which leads to higher levels of CRP." It doesn't sound right to me. Cooking proteins can denature the secondary and tertiary structure, but amino acids remain as they are. Cooking at high enough temperatures can cause binding of amino acids to other amino acids or to other macronutrients, and possibly mutagens I think, but I've never seen anything indicating what you say.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:18 PM

Thank you Rose! I hope yours gets better also and you can get your CRP down asap!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:17 PM

Dr. K, thanks for your comment. By TG, if you mean triglycerides, they're at 32. The rest of my lab work was fantastic, as far as I can tell. Nailed every one of the reference ranges (and all my cholesterol numbers were vastly improved over the ones I had four years ago, FWIW). I am definitely taking this seriously; of all the bloodwork, this was the number I was most interested in, and I'm quite dismayed by it.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:15 PM

Thanks, hcantrall, for sharing your experience. I'm sorry for your pain, and I hope you're able to find relief without increased meds.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:12 PM

not good at all......you need to follow it. How is your TG? Was it drawn at the same time? Autoimmunity is a big reason this can be up. I send more people to rheumatology and cardiology after I draw them and invariably they find a problem that was undiagnosed. Dont blow it off. It can be spurious result but in my experiences it is more the exception than the rule.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 23, 2011
at 10:55 PM

My CRP is 16.6 - I also have a positive ANA w/ homogeneous pattern so SLE is suspected, having more blood tests tomorrow. I've also got some joint pain/stiffness but it's also more widespread and seems like other connective tissues are involved as well. Mine is not getting better with paleo though, seems to have no effect unfortunately. I'm negative on rheumatoid factor also. For now, meloxicam is keeping my pain manageable enough so that I can get out and walk everyday and on good days can do a body weight wod as well.

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3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

on June 24, 2011
at 12:02 AM

My read is that you've been leptin resistant and that's shown in your difficulty losing weight. That's why you have to do VLC to lose any weight. You also have autoimmunity: are you sure it's just limited to RA? I would tend to think you're probably hypothyroid. If you have tested high on ANA, ask your endo to follow up and track down the specific autoimmune disease you're testing positive for. RA could be a hunch but RA is comorbid with a few other autoimmune issues.

The CRP is probably elevated because of your RA and other autoimmune diseases. Were you in the middle of an RA attack? If so, it should come down considerably when you're tested another time. I would get it retested. Also, see what other inflammation marker is: what is your sedimentation rate? It's less influenced by episodic and locus-specific inflammation, so it should be either in range or considerably lower than CRP.

Other than that, I'm out of answers other than perhaps trying Dr. Kruse's steps for escaping leptin resistance, starting with a 60g protein breakfast in the morning.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 24, 2011
at 01:44 AM

Namby, I'm not sure it's just limited to RA. That's a very helpful question. I'd like to get a whole autoimmune panel done, plus a few other AI tests, and see what can be sussed out. And I'm also interested in the idea of leptin resistance; I've been trying to stuff my brain with as much information about that as possible, since of course I'm interested in the etiology of obesity. Thanks so much for your good answer.

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Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

on June 23, 2011
at 10:40 PM

As it's nearly impossible to obtain 25(OH)D levels of 78 ng/mL via sun exposure, there may be risks of which we are not yet aware. Several studies do indicate a (unsuprising) U-shaped curve with benefits in the middle and risks at the extreme ends. While you're not going to have high serum calcium, no one really knows what it means over the long term. Why not try for 50-55 ng/mL? Those are levels that every single expert would support and levels that are achievable with sun exposure (given the right exposure and latitude).

The CRP level is very concerning. It may be worthwhile to consider a couple of things:

1)perhaps a retest is in order. perhaps the test was run wrong.

2)consider infection or other illness lurking. paul jaminet talks a lot about this.

3)consider making carb changes - few informed persons in the scientific paleosphere believe that zero carb is a good idea over the long haul and definitely not a good idea at all unless eating "whole animal" or "nose to tail" including all organs (not just liver) and possibly blood as well. Organ meats have nutrients that muscle meat does not have or has only in minute quantities, including vitamin a, vitamin c, the intensive concentrations of b vitamins...

Pay attention to the increase in joint pain. Something is going on.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:39 PM

Katherine, thanks so much for the thoughtful answer. I think before I do anything rash with my diet, I'm going to cut the D supplementation to 8,000. It's had a wonderful effect on my asthma -- I've barely used my rescue inhaler in the last two months -- but maybe it doesn't need to be at such high levels. And the rest of your advice is very measured; I like that, and I'll take all of your points to consider seriously.

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5113df7e1c5a7e9c7555b6b59144de24

(920)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:54 AM

When I was having blockages in my coronary artery, my hs-CRP was 13.8. That was about 15 years ago. Last year it was 2.7 - not perfect but much better. I have made so many changes to my lifestyle it would be hard to say exactly why this dropped. It was a slow drop over the years. I am now low carb and paleo. I am due for another check soon.

I think the greatest change came when I stopped eating gluten 8 years ago as that made a huge improvement in my health. I think that gluten had my whole body inflamed. But I also corrected a low B12, low D and low thyroid and got on some other supplements that may be making a difference. I did NOT go on statins.

How long have you been ZC? It makes sense to draw it again but I agree, adding grains is a terrible idea.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 24, 2011
at 03:15 AM

Wow, Anne, what an impressive drop. I've been ZC nearly two years, VLC two years before that (so gluten-free four years), and as I said to my husband, I feel so much better in every way now than I did then, if this is what getting "sicker" feels like, it's a very strange illness indeed.

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226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:15 PM

Also cut down on inflammatory Omega 6 fats. You might think you're eating true-Paleo but it gets tricky when it comes to animal fats. Not all of them are created equal. You can be eating organic eggs and organic meats from your supermarket but that does not change the fact that the oils trigger inflammation throughout the body. An organic soybean or ear of corn still yeilds the same omega-6 fat molecule. An organic omega-6 molecule is just as lethal as a non-organic omega-6 molecule. It can get confusing in the grocery store. The package might say 'free-range' chicken or 'free range' eggs but those same animals are grown with feeds that contain unnaturally high levels of Omega-6 inflammatory fats in the form of soybean and corn oil. The farm can sprinkle this lethal feed all over a barren pasture and call their livestock 'free range' on the package. Free range just means they're not cooped up all day.

Cottonseed oil, soybean oil, corn oil, generic vegetable oil, sunflower oil, safflower oil - all trigger inflammation. Some food companies drench their nuts in these oils. Check the ingredients on the package.

The best way to avoid all this confusion is to shop for your meats and eggs at a local farmer's market and make sure it's all grass-fed.

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226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 23, 2011
at 10:53 PM

Hi Rose!

High levels of CRP?

So many choices I don't know where to start!

First off, there is no magic pill to lower the level of inflammation in the human body so I can't really point you to just one vitamin, mineral or food substance exclusively. As you know vitamins and minerals often work together to heal the body and help it perform as nature intends. The same goes for phytochemicals from plants. Paleo man and woman gathered and consumed a wide variety of different plant species containing different types of plant chemicals.

You have to load your body with these antioxidants. The more you lower oxidation, the more you can control inflammation whether it has manifested as CRP or some other inflammatory molecule.

First foods.

3 foods high in antioxidants are blueberries, salmon and green tea. Organic herbal teas are potent and cheap considering their value towards controlling inflammation throughout the body. I prefer a brand called 'Traditional Medicinals'. Pay no attention to the remedies promised on the box. Blend together different mixes to gain the highest amount of biodiversity for the lowest amount of coin.

Another cheap option. I would recommend megadosing with Vitamin C. You mix the powder in with water and it absorbs into cells quickly. It's very inexpensive - $10 - $20 for a 1 month supply.

If you want to get fancy and splurge a little bit...

Try Gojii berry powder in your smoothies or get the berries raw. Another Superfood loaded with antioxidants is Acai berry powder or berries. Also try cacao powder. This stuff can get pricey but you should achieve more drastic results with these Superfoods.

Also, cut down on cooking foods and try to eat more raw foods. Cooking destroys essential amino acids in plant and animal protein which leads to higher levels of CRP.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:37 AM

im with Kamal on this.....no BAM for me.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 24, 2011
at 12:01 AM

It seems like such an easy experiment to execute though, doesn't it? Heat samples of plant and animal protein and search for in tact amino acid molecules as well as damaged ones. I just don't trust the fragility of living organisms, not meant to be cooked to death.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:38 PM

Rose, nature will take care of your body and nourish it with the ingredients it requires to heal itself to its fullest capacity. Your life up to this point seems to have caused systemic damage. It will take some time for you do undo it and achieve homeostasis. Recovery can be a painfully slow process but I believe you can commit yourself to the foods nature provides us.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:22 PM

Do you have a source for this: "Cooking destroys essential amino acids in plant and animal protein which leads to higher levels of CRP." It doesn't sound right to me. Cooking proteins can denature the secondary and tertiary structure, but amino acids remain as they are. Cooking at high enough temperatures can cause binding of amino acids to other amino acids or to other macronutrients, and possibly mutagens I think, but I've never seen anything indicating what you say.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:35 PM

http://www.rawforlife.co.uk/howcookingrobs.php Cooking damages and destroys the amino-acids that our bodies need to build protein. It damages and destroys antioxidants that help protect us from cancer. It damages, destroys (or makes less assimilable) vitamins and minerals. The vitamins in our foods need other substances in the foods to work effectively. Our bodies need those precious things in foods to work efficiently. If they don’t get them, or if they get them in the wrong proportions, they start to work less efficient

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:44 PM

BAM BAM- That link isn't quite up to snuff. Something peer-reviewed like this might be better...http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0278691584900371

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:32 PM

BAM BAM, thanks for your advice. I am quite worried about adding much plant matter back into my diet, because the two times I've experimented with paleo-approved veggies, I've seen a very rapid return of joint pain, followed by weight gain. I've even hypothesized that I am sensitive to phytotoxins in tiny amounts that other people can handle just fine (that's an armchair theory I go with when I can't believe it's just about carbs alone). But I will probably have to begin a new era of dietary experimentation; I just hope I don't make things too much worse.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:58 PM

Dang that's solid. I'm not in grad school yet! LOL

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9bbdb7da02a241dacab4f71618b06f79

on April 17, 2015
at 10:09 PM

My last CRP was 17! Five specialists can't decide if I have a neurologic disease or an autoimmune disease or both! But each has said the CRP test is meaningless.  I am a 72 year old woman and i am suffering from some malady that has made me almost completely home-bound because of fatigue, weakness and all-over body aches.  Not to mention almost daily migraines.  Just wish a doctor would get it together and give me a diagnosis.  I've been told I don't have heart disease -- this from my PCP as well as the rheumatologists and neurologists; no cardiac referral yet.  Guess I'll just have to wait and see.

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Cffd2bd2ee1978a34a78f4d8cfccdae9

on July 21, 2013
at 01:38 PM

Wow, your feakin' at 14.6!! I'm at 58. That must mean I 'm the walking dead!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on July 24, 2013
at 03:44 AM

Ha! Good to hear from someone on the Other Side. As time goes by and I fail to expire, or even feel slightly less fabulous, I agree more with my current doctor, who thinks agonizing over CPR is a silly fad. If you're not really sick, CPR can still be elevated for one trivial reason or another, and if you are really sick, it's a guarantee that a high CPR isn't going to be your only, or even your major, symptom.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on July 24, 2013
at 03:46 AM

Ha! Good to hear from someone on the Other Side. As time goes by and I fail to expire, or even feel slightly less fabulous, I agree more with my current doctor, who thinks agonizing over CRP is a silly fad. If you're not really sick, CPR can still be elevated for one trivial reason or another, and if you are really sick, it's a sure bet that a high CRP isn't going to be your only, or even your major, symptom

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on August 28, 2011
at 02:26 AM

i am new to this gluten free diet. I am eating gluten free now, difficult because I love bread and find most gluten free breads are boring, dry, and disgusting to eat. With the exception of toasted Udi's cinnamon/raisin. However, in reading I find many of you refer to VLC, ZC, etc. These abbreviations I do not know. What do they stand for? Also, I have a rather high crp - 17 to 24, it varies. That was before I started the gluten free diet. I have an appointment with my Primary doctor and will have results next week to see if my crp has decreased since I am eating differently. I would like to know and hear more about eating gluten free. Please respond. Thanks....Adri...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 28, 2011
at 02:36 AM

Hi, Adrienne. VLC means "very low carb," and ZC means "zero carb." A VLC diet generally is no-grain, and only low-carb veggies and meats. A ZC diet is usually meat-only. Both diets tend to be naturally gluten-free, since they're usually completely grain-free, without even gluten free breads (which, I agree, are disgusting -- I'd much rather go without altogether).

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(1453)

on August 28, 2011
at 10:22 AM

Adrienne, did you try eating paleo?

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(78467)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:44 AM

I don't have any insight into this, but I hope this is either a false alarm or, if it's not, that it is easily corrected.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 24, 2011
at 02:46 AM

Thomas, thank you. I'm headed over to your question about beauty and health with my dissertation now. :)

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(12857)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:03 PM

Up your carbs to at least 100g and get another test.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:36 PM

When I was eating VLC, I had terrible joint pain, and before I went VLC, I weighed 220 pounds and could barely get out of bed some mornings. It was when I went zero-carb that the pain disappeared. And adding veggies back in has brought pain and fat back, twice. Going back to ZC, the pain went away again, and the weight (slowly) too. So, I've got a pretty substantial fear of just tossing carbs -- especially in that amount -- back in to my diet. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it if the evidence were compelling, but so far, all my experience contradicts this advice.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 23, 2011
at 11:34 PM

When I was eating VLC, I had terrible joint pain, and before I went VLC, I weighed 220 pounds and could barely get out of bed some mornings. I've got a pretty substantial fear of just tossing carbs -- especially in that amount -- back in to my diet. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it if the evidence were compelling, but so far, all my experience contradicts this advice.

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on April 28, 2014
at 05:13 PM

I think some labs might still do CRP tests that are not hs-CRP (high sensitivity) and have very different reference ranges... make sure your results are for hs-CRP so we're all comparing apples to apples.

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B32ad1e9ed20f1f8d7406e9f5a9cd256

on April 28, 2014
at 05:10 PM

I think the ranges are very different for hs-CRP (high sensitivity) and (non-hs) CRP tests. When talking about numbers, please make sure you're all comparing apples to apples.

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(8395)

on July 22, 2013
at 04:17 AM

BTW, if you are taking high doses of D3 you should also be supplementing Vitamin K2 in the form of MK7. The Jaminets say that large doses of Vitamin D supplements can cause "improper tissue calicfication" but K2 prevents vitamin D toxicity. Vitamin D also depletes K2, so supplementation may be necessary at high doses of D.

They also say Vitamin K deficiency means that blood won't clot properly, bones don't calcify properly, soft tissues do calcify leading to atherosclerosis and joint disease (perhaps a reason for the return of your pain?) and the combination of adequate D and K2 is good at cancer prevention.

Food sources for K2 are egg yolks, liver, grassfed butter, fermented veggies, and aged cheese.

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on May 30, 2013
at 03:40 AM

Rose, Just wondering how you are doing. My husband's CRP was 24.6 in January. 2 months later he got Jaundice and toxic hepitias. After 11 days in the hospital, his symptoms subsided the beginning of April. His CRP was checked again April 4. They were over 50. On April 14 he got a ruptured ulcer (caused by steroids from his first hospital visit) and was operated on to save his life. His CRP has not been checked again, but I am wondering if the high CRP levels could have been an indication that all his ills were coming.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 30, 2013
at 03:59 AM

Woah, that sounds awful! I certainly wish him a speedy and complete recovery. My health has actually been fine since posting this. I just had a new set of labs done a month or so ago, and all my numbers are perfectly in range. I didn't have a CRP, though, since my current doctor doesn't think much of it. In the case of your husband, however, I would think that the high CRP was probably a harbinger of trouble. Surely there was a lot of inflammation going on. Thanks for sharing that harrowing tale, and I wish you both all the best.

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