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Rheumatoid Arthritis and a Pesce-Vegetarian

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 04, 2012 at 10:45 AM

I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis 2 years ago and rheumatoid factor was classified to below normal levels. With not symptoms in the beginning i continued my merry way with my active life and my non paleo eating habits. Once starting crossfit and training 6 days a week i found it hard to recover and more and more my joints and muscles began to hurt. I have not taken medication. So i then turned to paleo and and zone. Did a 3o day challange and gained results immediately. The only thing is that i struggling to reach my appropriate amount of consumption of protein as there is a lack of variety. I tend to over consume on good fats being coconut oil and nuts and fruit. I have cut the fruit down to 2 pieces per day increase veggies were i can for snacks. I have considered starting up to eat red meat again to increase my protein but am afraid of it getting any gut irritant symptoms as its quite sensitive. That is being lactose intolerance and gluten intolerance. With family history of poor gut health and rheumatoid arthritis i need to be a million time more cautious about what i consume. I lead a very active lifestyle being involved in corssfit, parkour and yoga tiredness and poor blood sugar balance are constant barrier for me. Any advice as how to increase the rheumatoid factor? Increase muscle recovery? Transitioning from vegetarian to carnivore? And any other advice will be much appreciated. =)

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on January 04, 2012
at 08:21 PM

Thanks Heidi =)

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on January 04, 2012
at 08:20 PM

I am taking vit D. I also take acai powder which is rich in natural nutrients. I honestly dont think i am getting enough vitamin A but i'll work on it.

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on January 04, 2012
at 08:19 PM

Thanks Hanne... I dont think i have it to the extent of yours. No i don't feel immediate joint pain but i will give it ago in cutting nuts out. Legumes are my enemy.

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on January 04, 2012
at 08:15 PM

Thanks for your suggestions Raydawg. I have eliminated all grains and dairy but still have some soy products at times (which is wrong i know). I've been eating eggs everyday and BCAA's for recovery-. I'll definitely try the gelatin, broth and the PowerDrive Formulation (homemade formulation). I take a load of supplements - Acai powder, Vit D, CoQ10, fish oil and a multivitamin to make sure i get my daily nutrient needs. I am also on a digestive bitters mix. Thanks for your advice much a appreciated =)

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on January 04, 2012
at 08:05 PM

Warren- If only it was that easy.. I've been vegetarian for 11 years so for me its not that simple. Jay- Thanks for the advice on the nuts. I have read somewhere to avoid nuts when want on an autoimmune health program, but wasn't sure how serious it is for autoimmune conditions.

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on January 04, 2012
at 04:50 PM

Raydawg suggestions are great. Transitioning slowly is important. When you are mostly vegetarian, I have heard your stomach acid levels (need ed to digest meat) can drop, and this can make for some tummy aches if you dive back in too quickly. Good Luck!

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on January 04, 2012
at 04:22 PM

Forgot to add that this diet does allow legumes, but that's the only thing you need to leave out to make it Paleo.

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on January 04, 2012
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I don't think you should consider nuts good fats. Polyunsaturated fats can have use in treating autoimmune disease because they suppress the immune system but I don't think you are there yet. In the meantime, they might hasten disease progression by promoting inflammation.

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on January 04, 2012
at 12:28 PM

Transitioning? Eating meat again is not like coming off addictive drugs. Just put some meat on your plate and eat it.

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on January 04, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Carnivores only eat meat. Most of us here can't be called carnivores as we eat vegetables too. :)

You already eat fish, you're half way there. It's very important to eliminate all grains and legumes, as well as industrial seed oils (corn, canola, safflower, soy, etc.)

Since you've got joint issues, eliminating nightshades is probably a good idea as well. It sounds like you've already eliminated wheat and dairy, but make sure you're not exposed to hidden sources of wheat. Avoid all packaged foods as they're like sources of these things.

Since you're very active, make sure you get a lot of calories, and plenty from carbs too. Foods like avocados, sweet potatoes, and coconut oil (which you already take) come to mind. Especially the coconut oil as it can heal leaky gut.

Before diving in to meat directly, start with some bones from grassfed bison or beef, and make a bone broth. If you've got a slow cooker, that's the easiest way to go, if not just simmer a pot on the stove, mostly covered, but with a little bit of an opening so it doesn't explode, and keep adding water as needed for at least 6 hours.

If you're not quite ready for bone broth, maybe find some unflavored gelatin (i.e. Knox) and either add it to something like a soup, or a drink. The gelatin in the broth or the commercial stuff will help your gut heal also.

Eat some kale if you don't already, but cook it so its nutrients are available.

After that, find some pastured eggs, ones that haven't been fed soy, and start there. Then, maybe add some pastured chicken, and grassfed beef or better yet bison. Eat it in small amounts at first and see if you can tolerate it.

If you have problems digesting meat, i.e. it sits in your stomach like a brick, you've probably got issues with stomach acid. Once your gut starts to heal, getting enough minerals such as magnesium, potassium, zinc, etc. will allow for enough stomach acid, but until then, you might want to take a few betaine HCL caps before meals containing meat.

In terms of muscle recovery, the magnesium can help, so can the so called "PowerDrive Formulation", for which there's a homemade version. Carnitine, BCAA can help too. The most important thing is getting enough rest - rest a day or two between workouts.

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on January 04, 2012
at 04:50 PM

Raydawg suggestions are great. Transitioning slowly is important. When you are mostly vegetarian, I have heard your stomach acid levels (need ed to digest meat) can drop, and this can make for some tummy aches if you dive back in too quickly. Good Luck!

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on January 04, 2012
at 08:15 PM

Thanks for your suggestions Raydawg. I have eliminated all grains and dairy but still have some soy products at times (which is wrong i know). I've been eating eggs everyday and BCAA's for recovery-. I'll definitely try the gelatin, broth and the PowerDrive Formulation (homemade formulation). I take a load of supplements - Acai powder, Vit D, CoQ10, fish oil and a multivitamin to make sure i get my daily nutrient needs. I am also on a digestive bitters mix. Thanks for your advice much a appreciated =)

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on January 04, 2012
at 04:18 PM

Have you read about the GAPS diet for improving/fixing gut health? It's a slow approach way to healing a leaky gut that fits very well with a Paleo/Primal philosophy. You start out with bone broth and fermented fruits/veggies, plus supplementation, and then move on to meats, veggies, fruit. Once you feel confident about your gut health you could then move on slowly to other Paleo/Primal foods. It might fit your needs.

http://gapsdiet.com/GAPS_Outline.html

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on January 04, 2012
at 04:22 PM

Forgot to add that this diet does allow legumes, but that's the only thing you need to leave out to make it Paleo.

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on January 04, 2012
at 08:21 PM

Thanks Heidi =)

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on January 04, 2012
at 03:47 PM

Are you taking vitamin D? Do you get enough vitamin A and K from your diet?

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on January 04, 2012
at 08:20 PM

I am taking vit D. I also take acai powder which is rich in natural nutrients. I honestly dont think i am getting enough vitamin A but i'll work on it.

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on January 04, 2012
at 03:34 PM

I have autoimmune diseases, cutting out vegetable and whole grains helped me tremendously. Are you eating nuts, you said? with RA? really? Do you not feel instant joint pain as soon as you eat nuts? I don't know if my condition is more serious than yours or what, but I literally feel the pain right after consuming nuts. nuts, veg, grains, legumes are not your friend, if you really suffer an autoimmune disease.

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on January 04, 2012
at 08:19 PM

Thanks Hanne... I dont think i have it to the extent of yours. No i don't feel immediate joint pain but i will give it ago in cutting nuts out. Legumes are my enemy.

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