I live in Rhode Island, where it is illegal to buy or sell raw milk (how absurd.) Fortunately, it is legal in nearby Massachusetts, and RI being teeny tiny, I can easily travel to MA for some raw milk.
Anyway, I usually don't drink milk; never have, I always thought the idea was gross. I always ate cheese, but over the past few months have given it up. Over the past couple of weeks, however, I have had a nagging desire to down a big, chilly glass of raw cow's milk. Whenever I get a craving like this, I trust it (my cravings tend to be on the healthy site).
So, to get to my question, do any of you Mass people buy and consume raw milk? Where do you get it? Do you like it? Would you recommend it? The farms that are closest to me are in Foxboro, Dartmouth, and Framingham (Foxboro and Dartmouth are closer, but I am willing to travel for this glass of milk).
Share your raw milk stories with me! Much thanks.
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on June 02, 2012
at 05:05 PM
I'm originally from Western MA - there is a place called Uppingil Farm in Gill, MA that sells their raw milk (about 2 hour drive for you one way, but it is phenomenal). Have you talked to the Whittier Farm in Sutton, MA?
on June 02, 2012
at 04:53 PM
Foxborough and Framingham are fine - though I find raw milk like wine - different breeds of cows fed slightly different produce different tasting milk!
If you click on list of raw certified dairies you can see Googlemaps so helps in trying to find one nearby.
Northeastern Organic Farming Association - Mass http://www.nofamass.org/programs/organicdairy/rawmilk.php
Chris Kresser wrote a nice post on raw milk buying guidelines http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-buying-raw-milk-safely
Free Guide Raw Milk Guide http://www.traditional-foods.com/resources/Buyers-Guide.pdf
The best article on raw milk I've seen so far! http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-is-raw-milk-dangerous
The Raw Milk Revolution: Behind America's Emerging Battle Over Food Rights by David E. Gumpert and Joel F. Salatin
The Untold Story of Milk, Revised and Updated: The History, Politics and Science of Nature's Perfect Food: Raw Milk from Pasture-Fed Cows by Dr. Ron Schmid, ND
The Raw Truth About Milk by Dr. William Campbell Douglass II, MD
I used to be terrified of raw milk until November 2011 when I started to drink it regularly.
Background: My mother was unable to nurse me due to severe medical issues, and cow's milk was hard to digest, so my first food was goat's milk. I drank pasteurized cow dairy later (sadly mostly low fat) products from an early age until age 26 and suffered gas. From age 11-26, I had acne which showed no improvement on various creams and antibiotics (now know the worst choice). Doctors said it "couldn't be dietary!"
At age 26,I self-diagnosed myself with lactose intolerance and switched to almond milk and using Lactaid (lactase enzyme supplement) for the occasional dairy. My acne disappeared and friends and family noticed. I never had issues with butter so ate it my entire life because all fake butters and margarines disgusted me.
I started low-carb reducing grains at age 31, then Paleo at age 32. My eczema went away on Paleo. 1 month after dairy elimination while supporting my husband on Paleo (he was going through a very rough time with gluten and autoimmune issues), we both reintroduced dairy - this time 100% whole pastured grass-fed but pasteurized. We had no issues with any amount of heavy cream, butter, and ghee. Other dairy products such as sour cream, cheese and yogurt no more then 1 serving a day would be fine but any more amounts of these products caused slight acne.
After the Weston Price Foundation conference meeting nearly 1000+ people consuming raw dairy their entire life extolling it's virtues, reading the literature, and visiting the raw dairy farms we decided n=1000 was too big to ignore. We realized raw milk was more natural then almond milk.
We have been consuming raw pastured whole fat grass-fed butter, heavy cream, milk, cheese, yogurt, sour cream, egg nog, creme fraiche (NOT all in 1 day) with NO symptoms - in fact we feel better then ever! We slowly increased the quantity to about 4 servings a day - we've never eaten that much dairy, and I don't think we would consume more because it's too filling and satiating.
Unlike in the past, as a child when I ate processed ice cream and felt addicted (perhaps opiate receptors, sugar, and gluten), the raw dairy I don't feel addicted to it. Whether I have 1-3 servings a day, I don't want anymore. When we travel and limit dairy (because it's pasteurized) we miss 2 things the most - raw dairy and fermented veggies!
We learned a lot WAPF, and Natasha Campbell-McBride whose GAPS diet is quite similar to Paleo recommending reintroducing raw dairy in small amounts once the gut was sealed and healed. We have come to believe the more probiotic species the better for the immune system and the best way to collect a wide variety is through raw dairy since fermented vegetables don't have that diversity. Even here on PH, kefir is acknowledged to have the most species! http://paleohacks.com/questions/73151/which-has-a-greater-number-of-species-and-quantity-of-probiotics-fermented-vegg#axzz1m8YbEQOt
Since raw dairy helps with allergies, which is an overreaction of the immune system - perhaps it might help with autoimmune issues too?
It is my understanding almost all the milk, dairy studies were done with pasteurized forms (often lowfat which is oxidized), so to use that data to say dairy is problematic maybe as scientific as saying coconut oil is problematic because they used hydrogenated versions in some studies.
I know raw dairy is a pain to find depending on where you live so that is why many have just written it off - but is that throwing out the baby with the bathwater? According to 23andme DNA results I'm supposed to be lactose intolerant and my husband is lactose tolerant but we are doing great on raw dairy. I have a physician aunt who cannot tolerate pasteurized dairy except for butter and ghee, but is fine with raw milk.
Another controversy is insulin and cancer with dairy. The Maasai are drinking LITERS per day and don't have insulin resistance and cancer (which are alleged for dairy) and what about babies who drink milk- are they insulin resistant? Now I know some have said that babies are growing and milk is appropriate for them but that doesn't change the fact that some ancestral populations have consumed fermented dairy products - milk, yogurt, etc.
Of course milk is not Paleolithic, but then neither are nightshades and possibly not even coconut. Yet there are intolerances and allergies to all of the above. Not everyone has a tropical genetic ancestry, those from cold climates or from an inland route would not have had access to coconut. http://paleohacks.com/questions/1405/why-are-coconuts-considered-paleo#axzz1m8YbEQOt
For more Paleo Diet hacks: Raw Milk vs Pasteurized Milk - The Fiery Debate! - PaleoHacks.com http://paleohacks.com/questions/24852/raw-milk-vs-pasteurized-milk-the-fiery-debate#ixzz1wehdART0
on June 02, 2012
at 07:47 PM
http://realmilk.com/where.html <-- where to find raw milk listed by state
on June 02, 2012
at 03:47 PM
Last week, I bought raw milk for the first time through my local WAPF chapter to make butter.
It was surreal to know the cow was milked that very morning, just a few hours prior. Then my next thought was how crazy is this for me to think fresh, clean milk was strange.
The butter was fantastic and we also enjoyed the milk too.
All I can say is we noticed it had a more milky taste, and my homemade butter was very yellow just like Kerry Gold. I think we'll buy a gallon once or twice a month since we don't use dairy all that much much.
On a side note, the lady said it is easiest to make butter in a food processor and she was totally right. I had homemade, grass-fed butter in a few minutes.
on June 03, 2012
at 08:08 AM
I've bought from Oake Knoll in Foxboro for years. It's great.
on June 02, 2012
at 04:37 PM
I've gotten the milk from the Framingham location a few times. It's pretty good, though I haven't gotten any since the grass really started growing, so I'm guessing it will be better now.
I like the taste and the cream, but it made my asthma flare up. I'm thinking of getting some more and fermenting it this time.
I'd love to find raw goat's milk in Mass. Anyone know where you can find it?