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Crap: as replacement or supplemnt?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 12, 2013 at 7:56 AM

Because of emotional and social reasons I like to ingest some crap, and/or to binge on crap. I do this 2 to 4 times a week. Think: fries or alcohol or deep fried snacks or pizza or ice cream

I could eat 2 to 4 crap meals, as replacement for paleo meals, or as supplement to paleo meals. Which of those options would you recommend, and why?

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 13, 2013
at 11:38 AM

@Maarten Thanks for clearing that up. It sounds like you do have a legitimate binging disorder, albeit not one that is ruining your life at the moment. (Also, I'm not a psychologist!) However, since you are feeling a compulsion like this, you still may want to talk to a real doctor.

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

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on April 13, 2013
at 07:40 AM

Let me be clear about my habits, I now understand you guys just seem concerned. 2 to 4 times a week, I eat out of a psychological hunger. This is not a physical hunger. That's why I call it "binge", but this is not correct, as it nos neccesarily relates to the amount. So, I don't get drunk 4 days a week. I drink rarely, actually, once every two months, and then I may get a little drunk. The other times I may ingest the other foods mentioned. I call it "crap" because I feel sub-optimal the day after, and because the flavors overwhelm me while eating (which is the main reason I do it)

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

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on April 13, 2013
at 07:09 AM

Let me be clear. I don't keep crap at home. I eat crap when I'm out with friends, or on the road, when I feel a great emotional overwelhm. As preciously stated m looking for an answer to the question: supplement or replacement. Weight gain is not really an issue; I'm mainly thinking omega 6 / omega 3 balance, blood sugar control, and all the other health benefits from paleo lifestyle.

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on April 12, 2013
at 11:40 PM

I'm eating crap for dinner tonight, liver is tomorrow!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 12, 2013
at 11:40 PM

@thhq, I don't much care for my own badly fried liver, but I choke it down anyway. ;)

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on April 12, 2013
at 08:51 PM

We all know what is and what we should do. But sometimes for emotional and social health we have to tear ourselves away from eating our own crappy cooking. Not very many guests for a dinner of badly fried liver.

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on April 12, 2013
at 07:12 PM

@BobK Yes, depending on the severity, I was suggesting talking to a friend, or even a psychologist. Talking to a head-shrink, if you need to figure out a habit, can be helpful.

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on April 12, 2013
at 07:01 PM

@Marteen- GreyM's answers & comments were (imo) based on your posting "Because of emotional and social reasons I like to ingest some crap, and/or to binge on crap." To some of us, that does not seem like... "for me, is a free choice." @Sarah- I assume the GM is suggesting some emotional, psychological support not in-patient care. Unfortunately, the written word is often inadequate to convey nuance in questions & answers. Plus we all have our imperfect interpretations thereof. I would tend to agree w/ GM's responses but perhaps he & I have similar life experiences? btw he did answer. F

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 12, 2013
at 06:56 PM

@sarah OP wrote this: *I do this 2 to 4 times a week* - that's how it's 4/7 days. I suppose it could be breakfast, second breakfast, elevensees, and brunch on the same day.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 12, 2013
at 06:53 PM

**Binging**. **4** of 7 days a **week**. That is what the OP posted. You *don't* find that troubling? Also, yes, this is even worse when it's alcohol. We say cutesy things like "oh, I got trashed last night" -- when you say that 4 times a week, there's a problem there. Even normal but otherwise shitty-diet-eating SAD eaters don't have binging behaviors like the ones OP described. If someone is binging 4 times a week, they need serious, immediate help. I am not using exaggeration.

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at 06:42 PM

Psychological help????? That's a bit extreme isn't it? I guess that means every non-paleo person must need a lot of psychological help then. I'm sure a lot of people who consider themselves paleo would eat non-paleo food (especially alcohol) 2-4 times a week.

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on April 12, 2013
at 06:39 PM

how is 2-4 meals 4/7 days? Unless this person is only eating 1 meal per day (which they did not mention) and is eating "crap" for 4 of these meals each week? 2-4 meals could be 1 day or it could be 1 meal a day 2-4 times a week.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 12, 2013
at 01:52 PM

Very true. If he's using hyperbole, and words like "crap" or "cheat" or whatever mean more what we mean colloquially than what they mean specifically, then really he's just eating less awesome than usually, which isn't a big deal at all. :-)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 12, 2013
at 01:31 PM

+1 for making alcohol worth it.

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on April 12, 2013
at 01:30 PM

My philosophy in answering, is to be as wishy-washy as possible to cater to everybody! ;) Eating paleo the rest of the time, 2-4 non-paleo meals per week would be well tolerated by many, myself included. The thing is, he wouldn't be calling such meals "crap" or feeling guilty for "cheating/sinning" if he wasn't paleo.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 12, 2013
at 01:21 PM

*One last thought, to say that you binge on junk food 2-4 times a week and then to say you eat for health seems a bit insincere.* Exactly.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 12, 2013
at 12:59 PM

As always, it's the "now and then" that makes this answer true. :-P OP was talking about a) binging and b) doing it 2-4 times a week. Not a year. Not a month. Weekly. In the high end, literally more days than not (4 of 7 days). *Calling it* crap, but still *doing it* wittingly, is not a good sign.

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

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on April 12, 2013
at 12:52 PM

Thanks for your reply Greymouser, altough it gives me the chills. This, for me, is a free choice. I hoped this was clear from my formulation earlier. The question I asked is quite clear. I´m wondering what´s the least damaging of the two options I described.

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on April 12, 2013
at 09:19 AM

Make a healthy meal that is just as delicious as "crap". Then crap will be useless.

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at 08:50 AM

I eat for health (not for a change in body composition)

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 12, 2013
at 12:01 PM

Nothing wrong with a little alcohol, fries (with mayonnaise), ice cream or pizza now and then, assuming you tolerate it all. Paleo is a guideline than actual rules (akin to the pirate code or getting involved with demon-possessed people).

The fact that you're calling it "crap" means you're already too far down the paleo rabbit hole, turn back!

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(10611)

on April 12, 2013
at 08:51 PM

We all know what is and what we should do. But sometimes for emotional and social health we have to tear ourselves away from eating our own crappy cooking. Not very many guests for a dinner of badly fried liver.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 12, 2013
at 01:30 PM

My philosophy in answering, is to be as wishy-washy as possible to cater to everybody! ;) Eating paleo the rest of the time, 2-4 non-paleo meals per week would be well tolerated by many, myself included. The thing is, he wouldn't be calling such meals "crap" or feeling guilty for "cheating/sinning" if he wasn't paleo.

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on April 12, 2013
at 06:39 PM

how is 2-4 meals 4/7 days? Unless this person is only eating 1 meal per day (which they did not mention) and is eating "crap" for 4 of these meals each week? 2-4 meals could be 1 day or it could be 1 meal a day 2-4 times a week.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2013
at 12:59 PM

As always, it's the "now and then" that makes this answer true. :-P OP was talking about a) binging and b) doing it 2-4 times a week. Not a year. Not a month. Weekly. In the high end, literally more days than not (4 of 7 days). *Calling it* crap, but still *doing it* wittingly, is not a good sign.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2013
at 01:52 PM

Very true. If he's using hyperbole, and words like "crap" or "cheat" or whatever mean more what we mean colloquially than what they mean specifically, then really he's just eating less awesome than usually, which isn't a big deal at all. :-)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 12, 2013
at 11:40 PM

@thhq, I don't much care for my own badly fried liver, but I choke it down anyway. ;)

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2013
at 06:56 PM

@sarah OP wrote this: *I do this 2 to 4 times a week* - that's how it's 4/7 days. I suppose it could be breakfast, second breakfast, elevensees, and brunch on the same day.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 12, 2013
at 11:40 PM

I'm eating crap for dinner tonight, liver is tomorrow!

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on April 12, 2013
at 01:09 PM

To answer your question, eat as a replacement for paleo meals. If you are binging on pizza in addition to your normal caloric needs (i.e. as a supplement) you are going to gain weight.

On the other hand, if you can use your binges as a "snack" and have say one slice of pizza because you are full from your other meals then that might be better in the long run -- but it does not sound as if you have that kind of self control.

On the alcohol front -- learn to enjoy expensive alcohol -- it tastes so much better, you drink it slowly and actually enjoy your discretion vice downing some crappy budwiser and getting little enjoyment. Personally I drink Beer, Wine, Scotch, Whiskey, or Bourbon on a near daily basis. But I rarely will have more than one drink a day.

One last thought, to say that you binge on junk food 2-4 times a week and then to say you eat for health seems a bit insincere.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 12, 2013
at 01:21 PM

*One last thought, to say that you binge on junk food 2-4 times a week and then to say you eat for health seems a bit insincere.* Exactly.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 12, 2013
at 01:31 PM

+1 for making alcohol worth it.

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Ede98d8569d42885d70e07c92d3df34e

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on April 12, 2013
at 08:45 AM

If your goal is improved body composition/weight loss, I would limit all the crap to one day a week(i.e. cheat day) and eat strict LC the rest of the days.

If your goal is better health, I would limit the crap to 0 days a week and try to solve these social/emotional issues which are causing you to sabotage your own happiness.

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 12, 2013
at 10:51 AM

This is barely a "paleo" question. You need psychological help, but honestly it may just be someone, like a friend to talk to. No amount of stress that causes you to behave so disorderedly is worth it!

If you are indeed (attempting to) eating for your health, then you need to figure out how to de-stress and socialize without feeling like you have to fall off the wagon of health.

In the short term, I think that french fries (ideally baked in an oil you can recognize) and some real ice cream (e.g. haagen dazs) may be the least worst thing you could consume in that list. Alcohol in moderation is fine, but in the context of binging, I would absolutely not recommend it -- I would recommend to avoid, actually. It would make your psychological disorder and general food cravings even more off balance.

All this talk is basically "bargaining" with yourself. I hope deep down you want to improve your health, and find the intestinal fortitude to do so. Small steps are great -- but committing fully in a reasoned way is even better! :-)

Sincerely - good luck.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2013
at 07:12 PM

@BobK Yes, depending on the severity, I was suggesting talking to a friend, or even a psychologist. Talking to a head-shrink, if you need to figure out a habit, can be helpful.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2013
at 06:53 PM

**Binging**. **4** of 7 days a **week**. That is what the OP posted. You *don't* find that troubling? Also, yes, this is even worse when it's alcohol. We say cutesy things like "oh, I got trashed last night" -- when you say that 4 times a week, there's a problem there. Even normal but otherwise shitty-diet-eating SAD eaters don't have binging behaviors like the ones OP described. If someone is binging 4 times a week, they need serious, immediate help. I am not using exaggeration.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on April 12, 2013
at 07:01 PM

@Marteen- GreyM's answers & comments were (imo) based on your posting "Because of emotional and social reasons I like to ingest some crap, and/or to binge on crap." To some of us, that does not seem like... "for me, is a free choice." @Sarah- I assume the GM is suggesting some emotional, psychological support not in-patient care. Unfortunately, the written word is often inadequate to convey nuance in questions & answers. Plus we all have our imperfect interpretations thereof. I would tend to agree w/ GM's responses but perhaps he & I have similar life experiences? btw he did answer. F

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on April 12, 2013
at 06:42 PM

Psychological help????? That's a bit extreme isn't it? I guess that means every non-paleo person must need a lot of psychological help then. I'm sure a lot of people who consider themselves paleo would eat non-paleo food (especially alcohol) 2-4 times a week.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 13, 2013
at 11:38 AM

@Maarten Thanks for clearing that up. It sounds like you do have a legitimate binging disorder, albeit not one that is ruining your life at the moment. (Also, I'm not a psychologist!) However, since you are feeling a compulsion like this, you still may want to talk to a real doctor.

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

(281)

on April 12, 2013
at 12:52 PM

Thanks for your reply Greymouser, altough it gives me the chills. This, for me, is a free choice. I hoped this was clear from my formulation earlier. The question I asked is quite clear. I´m wondering what´s the least damaging of the two options I described.

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

(281)

on April 13, 2013
at 07:40 AM

Let me be clear about my habits, I now understand you guys just seem concerned. 2 to 4 times a week, I eat out of a psychological hunger. This is not a physical hunger. That's why I call it "binge", but this is not correct, as it nos neccesarily relates to the amount. So, I don't get drunk 4 days a week. I drink rarely, actually, once every two months, and then I may get a little drunk. The other times I may ingest the other foods mentioned. I call it "crap" because I feel sub-optimal the day after, and because the flavors overwhelm me while eating (which is the main reason I do it)

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on April 13, 2013
at 02:11 AM

I would invite you to cook or purchase pre made paleo meals in large quantities and keep your home fully stocked. Throw out all of the "crap" as you put it, so that when you do enter crisis mode, it isn't the first thing you reach for. Create some obstacles between your crisis and bad choices. Set yourself up to win.

D8644ecc819aa7fb98ed93eece4befa2

(281)

on April 13, 2013
at 07:09 AM

Let me be clear. I don't keep crap at home. I eat crap when I'm out with friends, or on the road, when I feel a great emotional overwelhm. As preciously stated m looking for an answer to the question: supplement or replacement. Weight gain is not really an issue; I'm mainly thinking omega 6 / omega 3 balance, blood sugar control, and all the other health benefits from paleo lifestyle.

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