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Phosphatidyl Serine v Cortisol

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 24, 2011 at 11:47 PM

What do you think about using Phosphatidyl Serine to decrease cortisol?

I'm working on the abdominal fat puzzle, and I suspect that my issue is cortisol. So far I haven't found success with most of the common approaches, like sleeping more, HIIT, meditation, etc. (I've read every post on this, just about, so no need to rehash any of that). My fiancee thinks that my bell fat has been stubborn because my dietary improvements have been counteracted by my new obsession with food. She might be right, though I previously dismissed the idea because I have so much fun thinking and talking about food matters that I assumed it couldn't possibly be a source of stress. On further thought, however, that seems less self evident.

Given all of that, I've decided that my next approach will probably (since y'all might influence me away from this option) be to supplement with Phosphatidyl Serine. Before I start, though, I thought it'd be helpful to mine PH for tips, info, warnings, anecdotal accounts, links, and so on.

I got the idea from T Nation at this link:

t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/how_to_eliminate_love_handles_man_boobs_or_jelly_belly

So, Paleohackers, if you'd be so kind, any thoughts or info on Phosphatidyl Serine, with special regard to abdominal fat and cortisol?

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on August 25, 2011
at 04:41 AM

If you are tired during the day and or snore at night you might have sleep apnea which would be bad for cortisol levels.

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:00 AM

I agree with you in general. I personally found that I feel better avoiding soy but I am also more sensitive then most (I also cant eat eggs or nightshades). Cycle holy basil. Maybe use for a month then take a week or so off (im sure some googling will give some more results about this). Another one to look into is the Russian herb Rhodolia. I wouldnt use both at the same time though (I tried this and didnt feel well). http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_5_27/ai_n31946717/

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on August 25, 2011
at 02:12 AM

If you have read them that is good. I was thinking you might find the answer to lose the weight.

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on August 25, 2011
at 02:09 AM

Thanks for the answer Geoff. I'll look into holy basil (sounds like something Batman or Robin would say). With supplements and individual isolated or extracted ingredients I've typically looked past whether their sources are paleo or not, since they only contain an isolated substance. So, e.g., I don't think of soy lecithin as toxic in the way that I deem most non-fermented soy products. What do you think? Should I revise this attitude?

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on August 25, 2011
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Eric: First off, your parents have great taste. I'm intrigued by your answer in part because I think I'm missing something. I've read WWGF and GCBC, but I don't remember anything about supplements or cortisol. Can you say a little more about what you are thinking here.

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on August 25, 2011
at 02:03 AM

Tulsi Tea has Holy Basil in it. I drink a cup or two at night - throughout the day really and it is very nice. Also, there is a Holy Mate tea that also has Holy Basil which I use instead of coffee. I really like this herb a lot.

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on August 25, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Phosphatidyl Serine used to be made from bovine brain. Now it is made from soy. If you want a paleo answer, soy is a legume/not paleo.

This study found no cognitive benefits to the soy derived form.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11842880

For lowering cortisol have you looked into Holy Basil? "holy basil is being promoted as a treatment for reducing both stress and elevated levels of the stress hormone cortisol, and to promote physical and emotional endurance"

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA346157/holy-basil-to-combat-stress.html

And in case you hate dr. weil as some do, alternative source;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocimum_tenuiflorum#Ayurveda

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on August 25, 2011
at 02:09 AM

Thanks for the answer Geoff. I'll look into holy basil (sounds like something Batman or Robin would say). With supplements and individual isolated or extracted ingredients I've typically looked past whether their sources are paleo or not, since they only contain an isolated substance. So, e.g., I don't think of soy lecithin as toxic in the way that I deem most non-fermented soy products. What do you think? Should I revise this attitude?

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on August 25, 2011
at 02:03 AM

Tulsi Tea has Holy Basil in it. I drink a cup or two at night - throughout the day really and it is very nice. Also, there is a Holy Mate tea that also has Holy Basil which I use instead of coffee. I really like this herb a lot.

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on August 25, 2011
at 03:00 AM

I agree with you in general. I personally found that I feel better avoiding soy but I am also more sensitive then most (I also cant eat eggs or nightshades). Cycle holy basil. Maybe use for a month then take a week or so off (im sure some googling will give some more results about this). Another one to look into is the Russian herb Rhodolia. I wouldnt use both at the same time though (I tried this and didnt feel well). http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_5_27/ai_n31946717/

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on November 23, 2012
at 04:38 AM

I'm using Super Cortisol Support by Now Vitamins, as well as holy basil, and I've ordered some corti-cut by Olympian Labs. I also just started Natural Factors Phosphatidylserine in the evenings. I get them at iherb.com. If you need a coupon code, PEY561 will give you $10 off.

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on August 25, 2011
at 12:39 AM

Read Taubes Why We Get Fat.

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on August 25, 2011
at 04:41 AM

If you are tired during the day and or snore at night you might have sleep apnea which would be bad for cortisol levels.

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on August 25, 2011
at 02:05 AM

Eric: First off, your parents have great taste. I'm intrigued by your answer in part because I think I'm missing something. I've read WWGF and GCBC, but I don't remember anything about supplements or cortisol. Can you say a little more about what you are thinking here.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on August 25, 2011
at 02:12 AM

If you have read them that is good. I was thinking you might find the answer to lose the weight.

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