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Hack my husband's panicky feelings

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 04, 2011 at 1:44 AM

My husband says that in the past couple of month or so he's been having elavated energy levels on our VLC paleo diet. Today he told me he's been getting occasional panicky feelings. Not quite up to a panic attack but the last one he got while watching a movie earlier this evening.

We eat about 50% grassfed/pastured meat, wild fish, and try to only have "natural" hormone free red meat (lamb/beef) when we are eating conventional. Other than that we eat some salads, and lots of leafy greens, low carb veggies. Plenty of pastured eggs, some bacon, I only use grassfed butter/ghee, coconut oil, olive oil, or occasional tallow (for the once or twice a month roasted potato indulgence.)

He walks about 30 minutes round trip to work and then we often walk in the evenings but he isn't doing any high intensity working out. He has a pretty bad back and some arthritis in his hips.

supplements include Cod liver oil, Carlson DHA 500mg, Magnesium, Coq10, Vitamin D 4000 (and then I think he gets another 1000 or so from the cod liver oil,) vitamin K2 and then I grind a half an egg shell in his shakes once or twice a week for trace minerals and calcium.

He is overweight and in a once in a million chance is actually losing weight a LOT slower than I am. He claims he isn't cheating but I know he has some diet coke and probably gets more O6 than I do since he likes to eat out for lunch but I believe him when he says he isn't eating any wheat (orders off of gluten free menus.) He also has the characteristic cortisol belly.

Is there something off hand we could do to help his anxiety? Is it possibly linked to the very low carb? It did seem to spring up since he started eating vlc. He isn't especially stressed at work right now, we aren't having money problems, we have a new baby but I take the lions share of his care and he's a really easy going baby, and the marriage is mostly harmonious. Supplements? More excercise? Please don't say mindfulness or anything like that. My husband is NOT the meditating type.

Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

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on July 04, 2011
at 12:42 PM

That is what was weird about the coffee: It never affected me, previously. And I drank a TON. Its like changing my diet overall changed my body chemistry in a way in which I could no longer tolerate the stimulation.

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on July 04, 2011
at 12:09 PM

Maybe its worth testing his fasting blood sugar? Hypoglycemia?

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on July 04, 2011
at 07:02 AM

PVC= premature ventricular contraction. The heart atria and ventricles contract rhythmically and sequentially. A pvc is the ventrical contracting out of sequence prior to when it should be contracting. I am not aware of any evidence linking VLC, as in Atkins induction phase carb levels to pvc. Perhaps Scott is and can supply info.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on July 04, 2011
at 06:32 AM

My guess is that it's the coffee...if he's willing to quit, it's best to go slowly. Start with 1/4 decaf for several days, then 1/2, and so on until he's at full decaf.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on July 04, 2011
at 05:18 AM

@ Melinda I don't think it adds to panic attacks. Maybe the very low carb thing we're doing does, which is my prime suspect. I'm breastfeeding so I get multidoses of oxytocin all day long. It seems to me that any one getting better quality fats and more fat soluable vitamins is going to do a lot better mentally. I certainly have.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on July 04, 2011
at 04:51 AM

PVC? What is that?

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on July 04, 2011
at 04:29 AM

Sounds real similar to me. VLC can cause PVC. Be careful.

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on July 04, 2011
at 04:07 AM

@Ashley: Might try 1/2 caff mix instead of full caff. ;) I am sensitive, but really enjoy my 2 cups, so backed myself off from full caff. So, caffeine wise, I drink the equiv of one cafeinated cup.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on July 04, 2011
at 04:01 AM

He does have caffiene. It never messed with him in the past though and he doesn't consume more than a cup or two of coffee in the AM. I wonder if he'd give it up. Haha I'd hate to make him give up something else! Hmm I'll run that by him, though and try the supplement.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on July 04, 2011
at 03:59 AM

He was resistant to going paleo/ low carb at first but he feels better on it overall and had a change of heart in the past month. Besides the anxiety, of course. He has no issues with the diet itself. He's not afraid of eating fat or the paradigm shift as he has done well with low carb in the past. Just never clean(ish) eating.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on July 04, 2011
at 03:56 AM

He's not on any drugs and doesn't have any history of depression or anxiety. He walks to work from a Paid parking lot but he claims the walk is very pleasant for him. He's probably about 40 Pounds overweight but he doesn't seem to have much muscle definition in his upper body so I don't know what is BF% is. He claims his pain was worse on SAD and has lessened on paleo. He used to run but hurt himself and hasn't started back at My pleading so the walking isn't an issue.

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on July 04, 2011
at 03:37 AM

Thanks for posting this question. I'm very interested in any ideas that get suggested. I have a friend who is on medication for panic attacks and I thinks she'd be interested in paleo if it could help but I wouldn't want to push it if adds to panic somehow.

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on July 04, 2011
at 02:00 AM

Any prescribed meds of any kind that he takes? Any history of high anxiety/panic? How does he feel about going paleo? Is going paleo attached to goals for himself that *he* values/wants? How much has food - snacking - been a coping tool before? How overweight? Walking to work his choice? Sounds like pain is an issue. Food can be a tool with pain - coping. Just some things to consider.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on July 04, 2011
at 01:51 AM

And yes, if it gets worse we will go to the doctor. I know forums are not psychologists. :-)

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on July 04, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Oh, Also just to add. My husband never eats large amounts of fat in one sitting like some people on here do with the kerry gold or coconut oil. So I don't think it's a MCT/ fat high.

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Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

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on July 04, 2011
at 03:24 AM

I got panic attacks for the first time in my life while VLC paleo. I added in PWO sweet potatoes and dumped the caffeine, and I've been fine since.

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on July 04, 2011
at 03:36 AM

I love low carb. I feel great when I'm eating lower carbs, but if I go too low for too long, I get that jittery anxiety, sleep suffers, and I start having those lovely heart palpitations and muscle cramps. Raising carbs takes care of it for me.

64242a1130eb51f4852f78beed38b3d5

(1343)

on July 04, 2011
at 04:29 AM

Sounds real similar to me. VLC can cause PVC. Be careful.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on July 04, 2011
at 04:51 AM

PVC? What is that?

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 04, 2011
at 07:02 AM

PVC= premature ventricular contraction. The heart atria and ventricles contract rhythmically and sequentially. A pvc is the ventrical contracting out of sequence prior to when it should be contracting. I am not aware of any evidence linking VLC, as in Atkins induction phase carb levels to pvc. Perhaps Scott is and can supply info.

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on July 04, 2011
at 05:29 AM

could be candida die-off

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Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on July 04, 2011
at 02:31 AM

Does he consume caffeine? Other than that, my first thoughts go to neurotransmitter imbalance. It wouldn't hurt to see if GABA helps him. He can try starting with about 200 mg. of powder under his tongue. He can take more in slight incremental(100mg.) increases until he feels relaxed. Taking too much can aggregate symptoms, and amino acids should always be taken a half hour or longer away from animal protein.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 04, 2011
at 04:07 AM

@Ashley: Might try 1/2 caff mix instead of full caff. ;) I am sensitive, but really enjoy my 2 cups, so backed myself off from full caff. So, caffeine wise, I drink the equiv of one cafeinated cup.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on July 04, 2011
at 06:32 AM

My guess is that it's the coffee...if he's willing to quit, it's best to go slowly. Start with 1/4 decaf for several days, then 1/2, and so on until he's at full decaf.

Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

(923)

on July 04, 2011
at 12:42 PM

That is what was weird about the coffee: It never affected me, previously. And I drank a TON. Its like changing my diet overall changed my body chemistry in a way in which I could no longer tolerate the stimulation.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on July 04, 2011
at 04:01 AM

He does have caffiene. It never messed with him in the past though and he doesn't consume more than a cup or two of coffee in the AM. I wonder if he'd give it up. Haha I'd hate to make him give up something else! Hmm I'll run that by him, though and try the supplement.

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