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At what point is it "worth the cortisol?"

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 19, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I have noticed a lot of answers to many questions about tweaks that say, in short, "It's not worth the cortisol to worry about it! Go ahead and eat it / do the exercise!" Not that I don't agree with a lot of those answers, but sometimes I do think that the question is worth considering, regardless of any small amount of stress wondering about it may cause.

Where is it appropriate/worth it to say "the heck with cortisol, this could be significant!" Unspecified natural flavorings? A little soy lecithin in dark chocolate? Binders in multivitamins? Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratios in certain foods? PUFAs in general? Grass-fed versus conventional meats? Just throwing a few examples out there.

Obviously there is no one right answer, but I'm interested in what you great individual PHers consider important enough to brave the cortisol-flood for in search of your health utopia.

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on October 19, 2012
at 10:13 PM

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on October 19, 2012
at 08:27 PM

Yeah, if I were that limited, I'd probably also eat anything that didn't have immediate yucky consequences too!

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on October 19, 2012
at 08:11 PM

That's okay. I think a lot of times on PH, it's hard to tell who is *worrying* about a tweak and who is *wondering* about a tweak. I wonder a lot but worry very little. After all, food tweaks are FUN! I feel the same... I like to think about the details and it's definitely a priority in my life, but I don't worry when I "slip" and eat something non-Paleo.

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on October 19, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Damn right it is. I love this stuff. I think many of us have made it a priority in life, and myself personally have made it personal, professional, recreational, etc. I've also made it a priority to be able to "turn it off" when needed though. Sorry for the confusion. Good topic.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on October 19, 2012
at 07:27 PM

I know it's relative from person to person. That's why I'm asking what each of you individually think, what is worth it to you. :)

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on October 19, 2012
at 07:14 PM

"Worth the research, thought, avoidance, seeking-it-out, etc..." is relative from person to person. That's what I was getting at. If your existence becomes 100% focused on doing this, without a break and it affects Cortisol, I don't think even the most important and healthy subjects/topics are worth it. Does that make sense?

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at 06:52 PM

I agree with what you said; however, it did not really answer my question. I was being colloquial with "worth the cortisol?" as that's a popular phrase around here. I don't actually think that cortisol is an evil poison. What I am looking for is "What do you think is worth the research/avoidance, even if it stresses you a little to research it/avoid it?

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on October 19, 2012
at 07:16 PM

Unspecified natural flavorings?- I'll probably try it. If I get a pimple, I shall shun it. A little soy lecithin in dark chocolate? - I have gotten pimples from it so I shun it. Binders in multivitamins?- Both the binders and the multivitamins are no good- bioavailability questions, the possible bad effects of having too much of particular vitamins, and then there are the binders. I do my best with the supplements I actually need- I've stressed out over a few unpleasant ingredients, but most are of the sort where you can take them, but promise yourself to do better next time. Then you actually have to do better next time. Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratios in certain foods? - The biggest deal is to drop the O-6. I do supplement with krill oil and eat fish every now and then, but I just don't have the money to go all grass-fed. And this answer also answers your last two as well.

Then, in terms of exercise, as long as it is short and you have a nice long rest period in between, it is worth the cortisol.

You probably know all that, but, I suppose it is a window to my decision making process. I won't eat the cake at social occasions. Happiness is mostly biochemical. It seems to me that food is at least 90% of the equation.

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on October 19, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Seasons don't fear the cortisol Nor do the wind nor the sun nor the rain We can be like they Come on baby Don't fear the cortisol

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on October 19, 2012
at 10:13 PM

Baby I'm your maaannnnn.....

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on October 19, 2012
at 08:07 PM

I have started eating walnuts again. Tons of them (okay, at least 20 carb grams worth). I have a very very limited list of foods I can tolerate. My food list has less than 15 items. Bone broth, salt, liver and sauerkraut every day - everything else is optional.

Walnuts give me energy. So they are worth all the cortisol.

I don't know how much Omega 6 they have and frankly... I don't give a damn.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on October 19, 2012
at 08:27 PM

Yeah, if I were that limited, I'd probably also eat anything that didn't have immediate yucky consequences too!

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68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on October 19, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Cortisol is a GREAT thing, when appropriate. The whole thing is largely misunderstood and applied in the wrong perspective.

Chronic high Cortisol, at all times, regardless of stimulus = problems. Chronic low Cortisol, at all times, not responsive to stimulus = problems.

If every minute of the day you are stressing over something or feeding yourself something that causes stress to the body, and the only time you can relieve/break from that stress is by training extremely hard, causing even more stress, you may have a problem.

If you can keep it from being constant, it's not a big deal. By doing this, your body will keeps its ability to deal with the stress when it comes, but won't burn out from constantly having to do it. When you train hard, you will have the appropriate and healthy stress response. When you encounter a stressful situation in life, you will have the appropriate response. These are natural. They are supposed to happen. It's the same with an occasional stress over anything. The key is to be able to turn it off when needed.

It may sound a little hokey but I think one of the least-talked about things is the power of the human being to affect and regulate this type of stuff for themselves. The brain is extremely powerful and there are many tools we can use to improve this stuff. Meditation, sleep, laughter, cognitive stimulation, even something as simple as changing your perspective on a situation or environment. All of it can make a difference.

I don't love everything he talks about, but this is a reason why I think a lot of the current practice in a lot of stuff that is talked about in Paleo and surrounding subjects stems back to a lot of what Paul Chek came up with. His work is still the most well-rounded when it comes to this stuff and it really is meant for those concerned about this stuff. Anyone who is even able to identify the issue and the connection it has should be the ones looking into his work. Not the Joe Schmoe starting a Paleo Diet and has really yet to go down the experience road that many of us on here have.

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on October 19, 2012
at 07:14 PM

"Worth the research, thought, avoidance, seeking-it-out, etc..." is relative from person to person. That's what I was getting at. If your existence becomes 100% focused on doing this, without a break and it affects Cortisol, I don't think even the most important and healthy subjects/topics are worth it. Does that make sense?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 19, 2012
at 06:52 PM

I agree with what you said; however, it did not really answer my question. I was being colloquial with "worth the cortisol?" as that's a popular phrase around here. I don't actually think that cortisol is an evil poison. What I am looking for is "What do you think is worth the research/avoidance, even if it stresses you a little to research it/avoid it?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 19, 2012
at 08:11 PM

That's okay. I think a lot of times on PH, it's hard to tell who is *worrying* about a tweak and who is *wondering* about a tweak. I wonder a lot but worry very little. After all, food tweaks are FUN! I feel the same... I like to think about the details and it's definitely a priority in my life, but I don't worry when I "slip" and eat something non-Paleo.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 19, 2012
at 07:27 PM

I know it's relative from person to person. That's why I'm asking what each of you individually think, what is worth it to you. :)

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on October 19, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Damn right it is. I love this stuff. I think many of us have made it a priority in life, and myself personally have made it personal, professional, recreational, etc. I've also made it a priority to be able to "turn it off" when needed though. Sorry for the confusion. Good topic.

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