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If corn is okay, then why aren't grits?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 14, 2011 at 11:49 PM

Fresh corn is considered a widely accetable paleo food (in moderation). Grits are just ground corn/maize. Since you cook both, why are grits frowned upon?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 29, 2011
at 02:21 PM

First KGH eats rice krispies, now Robb and corn. Next thing you know, whack job, self-aggrandizing neurologists are actually going to be taken seriously in the Paleo world.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on December 29, 2011
at 03:15 AM

That's one reason why getting drunk is so interesting. Creates hormetic memories while destroying other memories.

C145035bde13d07121c54da046128cc1

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on December 29, 2011
at 12:45 AM

Paul- I'm like Kim Jong IL, I don't defecate. Or at least he did not while alive...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/19/weird-facts-about-kim-jong-il_n_1158599.html Kamal-I honestly detest the term "hack", there are no shortcuts in life, just smarter and dumber ways of doing things. When I'm going to get drunk I want the full aftereffects. Call it Hormetic Memory, if you will.

9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

(5939)

on December 28, 2011
at 11:17 PM

Heh. You're Mr Paleo, Robb. Whatever you do, is Paleo. By the way, which brand of toilet paper do you use?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on December 28, 2011
at 11:01 PM

Finally! The voice of reason. You are never going to live those corn tortillas down.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on December 28, 2011
at 09:33 PM

"Corn" is not paleo and eating a tortilla every now and then isn't going to kill you.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on December 28, 2011
at 08:26 PM

^^^^Not condoning alcohol consumption, let alone binge-drinking.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on December 28, 2011
at 08:25 PM

Welcome to Paleohacks, Robb! Side note: If you find yourself facing a looming taco/margarita fest, do you ever incorporate hacks like these? Be careful what you say, as people empirically misconstrue...http://highbrowpaleo.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/the-highbrow-paleo-guide-to-binge-drinking-mitigating-the-deleterious-effects-of-ethanol-on-health-or-how-to-get-shitfaced-with-impunity/

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on December 28, 2011
at 07:45 PM

Yep. Robb, I'm just waiting you to start eating ammonium chloride so it will be ok for me to do so :P (typically Finnish vice). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salty_liquorice

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(5639)

on December 28, 2011
at 07:19 PM

Haha the pitfalls of being a public figure. This is the same logic that leads people to think that saying, "That's hot," or filming an insipid show about "Taking New York" with my fat, stupid sisters is an acceptable thing to do. C'mon people!

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on December 28, 2011
at 07:12 PM

WTH are you doing here...JK ;)

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on December 28, 2011
at 07:12 PM

Yeah, thanks for pitching in on this one, Robb. The original question and the mindset it indicates is a little disturbing.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on December 28, 2011
at 06:15 PM

Good to see you here, Robb Wolf, guru to many and great guy to all!

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

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on November 07, 2011
at 11:01 PM

N=1 is also used as shorthand for "the plural of anecdote is not data;" i.e. that which works for you is not necessarily applicable to everyone.

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

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on November 07, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Robb also uses the corn tortillas as a cheat (on the weekend if he feels so inclined, or when out at a casual dinner with friends, that sort of thing). He never says they are a staple of his diet.

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(4878)

on November 07, 2011
at 10:29 PM

If you listen to your body...you will likely find that corn is NOT OK. And, yes, I do miss hot buttered popcorn with sprinkles of curry powder and brown sugar. Luckily my cravings have subsided, but the memory remains. Once an addict...

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on October 17, 2011
at 01:15 PM

I think I've eaten about 5 chips this year. Not my thing. I'd rather use beef as a vehicle for my guac.

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:06 PM

Arguably, most corn chips are worse, because not only are they made out of corn, but most every brand is cooked in an oil that's "not paleo". Tasty with guac, though, true.

2b2c2e4aa87e9aa4c99cae48e980f70d

(1059)

on October 16, 2011
at 09:20 PM

Wheat doesn't cause problems for lots of people untl years later. Neither oes sugar or cigarette smoke.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on October 16, 2011
at 01:05 AM

+1 for starting this thread because I had NO idea anyone thought corn was paleo. I know Robb Wolf eats a corn tortilla here and there but I didn't realize that made corn paleo. This is truly fascinating.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:38 AM

+1 for not following the gurus blindly.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 16, 2011
at 12:34 AM

Correct on both. In other words, you have to figure out if it's going to work for you because there's no one-size-fits-all answer.

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on October 15, 2011
at 10:06 PM

KGH and Robb Wolf have both mentioned eating fresh corn on the cob.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on October 15, 2011
at 08:22 PM

N=1 means only you can determine what works for you via self-experimentation. I think YMMV means "your mileage may vary" but don't hold me to that one...

4e184df9c1ed38f61febc5d6cf031921

(5005)

on October 15, 2011
at 06:45 PM

N=1 and YMMV - please explain?

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on October 15, 2011
at 04:03 PM

Well really if a food doesn't bother you and had no adverse effects on you, then by all means have at it. Paleo is a template and not an absolute. Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

(2861)

on October 15, 2011
at 03:51 PM

I think KGH made a comment about corn products (and beans) not being well correlated to the diseases of civilization based upon native cultures in the Americas. I guess it would depend on what your "Paleo template" is. Some people add butter to thier food, some make "paleo" baked goods with artificial sweetners, some avoid carbohydrates, etc...

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on October 15, 2011
at 03:40 PM

@Matt, eating anything occasionally is ok. But as a general rule for regular consumption, corn is not ok and not in the Paleo template. We all stray outside the template occasionally and that's ok.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 15, 2011
at 02:43 PM

Plus one.........corn is not ok.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 15, 2011
at 01:02 PM

Who says eating corn occasionally isn't ok? This isn't a religion, it's a diet.

9ac8a7b68cf079b22de42b703e466e64

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on October 15, 2011
at 08:41 AM

ok. i get this thought process, but just because robb wolf does does something doesn't mean it can be immediately applicable to everyone. maybe his genetic variation allows him to digest corn with little problems while someone else may have huge difficulty. what the paleo "gurus" eat isn't a universal template.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on October 15, 2011
at 02:55 AM

I used to think I loved grits, until I realized I just loved the tons of butter I put on them to make them taste good. Now that I'm Paleo I can just eat the butter. :D

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 15, 2011
at 01:13 AM

Had grits when I was in the south. Gotta say I've never been a huge fan of grits or oatmeal. Takes a lot of "doctoring" to make either palatable for me.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on October 15, 2011
at 01:10 AM

I bet we would be hard pressed to find corn in the US that isn't a Monsanto GMO.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on October 15, 2011
at 01:04 AM

I miss grits sometimes. I used to love mine with over easy eggs, butter, and cheese mixed in.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 15, 2011
at 12:31 AM

No but it probably confuses people like the OP

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 15, 2011
at 12:21 AM

Does that make it optimal or healthy? So its his particular vice...that is fine. Your aloud to have them, but I don't see him including corn in his recommendations.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 15, 2011
at 12:17 AM

robb wolf eats corn tortillas sometimes according to his podcast

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on October 15, 2011
at 12:12 AM

Two kinds: Hominy grits are soaked in a weak lye solution first. Plain old regular grits are just dried corn. There would have to be label reading, some brands actually put a little wheat flour in there, but they're about as simple as you can get. Corn. Dried. Ground. They fall into that "gray" Paleo area so it's just going to be a decision you make to eat them or not. I've read that strict Paleo peeps sub cauliflower or celery root. Also, not a whole lot of nutrition there - some carbs and fiber, a little protein and iron.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 15, 2011
at 12:02 AM

I always took corn to be a grain, albeit less problematic than wheat. As such I kinda treat it in general as a treat/cheat myself.

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on October 14, 2011
at 11:55 PM

Yuk nasty. Besides that why not?

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6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

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on October 15, 2011
at 12:08 AM

Who said corn is ok? Corn is a grain...a GMO grain at that thanks to good ol' Monsanto.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 15, 2011
at 12:31 AM

No but it probably confuses people like the OP

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on October 15, 2011
at 01:04 AM

I miss grits sometimes. I used to love mine with over easy eggs, butter, and cheese mixed in.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 15, 2011
at 12:21 AM

Does that make it optimal or healthy? So its his particular vice...that is fine. Your aloud to have them, but I don't see him including corn in his recommendations.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on October 15, 2011
at 01:10 AM

I bet we would be hard pressed to find corn in the US that isn't a Monsanto GMO.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on October 15, 2011
at 01:02 PM

Who says eating corn occasionally isn't ok? This isn't a religion, it's a diet.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on October 15, 2011
at 02:55 AM

I used to think I loved grits, until I realized I just loved the tons of butter I put on them to make them taste good. Now that I'm Paleo I can just eat the butter. :D

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 15, 2011
at 12:17 AM

robb wolf eats corn tortillas sometimes according to his podcast

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 15, 2011
at 01:13 AM

Had grits when I was in the south. Gotta say I've never been a huge fan of grits or oatmeal. Takes a lot of "doctoring" to make either palatable for me.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on October 15, 2011
at 04:03 PM

Well really if a food doesn't bother you and had no adverse effects on you, then by all means have at it. Paleo is a template and not an absolute. Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 15, 2011
at 02:43 PM

Plus one.........corn is not ok.

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

(2861)

on October 15, 2011
at 03:51 PM

I think KGH made a comment about corn products (and beans) not being well correlated to the diseases of civilization based upon native cultures in the Americas. I guess it would depend on what your "Paleo template" is. Some people add butter to thier food, some make "paleo" baked goods with artificial sweetners, some avoid carbohydrates, etc...

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on October 15, 2011
at 10:06 PM

KGH and Robb Wolf have both mentioned eating fresh corn on the cob.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on October 15, 2011
at 03:40 PM

@Matt, eating anything occasionally is ok. But as a general rule for regular consumption, corn is not ok and not in the Paleo template. We all stray outside the template occasionally and that's ok.

Medium avatar

(4878)

on November 07, 2011
at 10:29 PM

If you listen to your body...you will likely find that corn is NOT OK. And, yes, I do miss hot buttered popcorn with sprinkles of curry powder and brown sugar. Luckily my cravings have subsided, but the memory remains. Once an addict...

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C145035bde13d07121c54da046128cc1

on December 28, 2011
at 06:12 PM

Holy fucking hell! My occasional taco foray makes corn "paleo"?? C'mon folks, you can do better than this.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on December 28, 2011
at 06:15 PM

Good to see you here, Robb Wolf, guru to many and great guy to all!

Medium avatar

(5639)

on December 28, 2011
at 07:19 PM

Haha the pitfalls of being a public figure. This is the same logic that leads people to think that saying, "That's hot," or filming an insipid show about "Taking New York" with my fat, stupid sisters is an acceptable thing to do. C'mon people!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on December 29, 2011
at 02:21 PM

First KGH eats rice krispies, now Robb and corn. Next thing you know, whack job, self-aggrandizing neurologists are actually going to be taken seriously in the Paleo world.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on December 28, 2011
at 07:45 PM

Yep. Robb, I'm just waiting you to start eating ammonium chloride so it will be ok for me to do so :P (typically Finnish vice). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salty_liquorice

9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

(5939)

on December 28, 2011
at 11:17 PM

Heh. You're Mr Paleo, Robb. Whatever you do, is Paleo. By the way, which brand of toilet paper do you use?

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on December 28, 2011
at 07:12 PM

WTH are you doing here...JK ;)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on December 29, 2011
at 03:15 AM

That's one reason why getting drunk is so interesting. Creates hormetic memories while destroying other memories.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on December 28, 2011
at 08:26 PM

^^^^Not condoning alcohol consumption, let alone binge-drinking.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on December 28, 2011
at 07:12 PM

Yeah, thanks for pitching in on this one, Robb. The original question and the mindset it indicates is a little disturbing.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on December 28, 2011
at 08:25 PM

Welcome to Paleohacks, Robb! Side note: If you find yourself facing a looming taco/margarita fest, do you ever incorporate hacks like these? Be careful what you say, as people empirically misconstrue...http://highbrowpaleo.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/the-highbrow-paleo-guide-to-binge-drinking-mitigating-the-deleterious-effects-of-ethanol-on-health-or-how-to-get-shitfaced-with-impunity/

C145035bde13d07121c54da046128cc1

(1549)

on December 29, 2011
at 12:45 AM

Paul- I'm like Kim Jong IL, I don't defecate. Or at least he did not while alive...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/19/weird-facts-about-kim-jong-il_n_1158599.html Kamal-I honestly detest the term "hack", there are no shortcuts in life, just smarter and dumber ways of doing things. When I'm going to get drunk I want the full aftereffects. Call it Hormetic Memory, if you will.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on December 28, 2011
at 11:01 PM

Finally! The voice of reason. You are never going to live those corn tortillas down.

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De787530dd6cf65e2cd03ada9f4cd214

on October 15, 2011
at 01:35 AM

From Mark's Daily Apple:

Corn is Not a Vegetable http://www.marksdailyapple.com/corn-is-not-a-vegetable/

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072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on October 15, 2011
at 02:15 AM

Corn is only palatable in chip form with mucho guacamole covering it. Otherwise, I'll pass.

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:06 PM

Arguably, most corn chips are worse, because not only are they made out of corn, but most every brand is cooked in an oil that's "not paleo". Tasty with guac, though, true.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on October 17, 2011
at 01:15 PM

I think I've eaten about 5 chips this year. Not my thing. I'd rather use beef as a vehicle for my guac.

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on October 15, 2011
at 03:21 AM

Robb Wolf eats corn tortillas because (as he said in his podcast) that after adding them back in they didn't not present a problem to him in terms of digestion and other issues.

9ac8a7b68cf079b22de42b703e466e64

(787)

on October 15, 2011
at 08:41 AM

ok. i get this thought process, but just because robb wolf does does something doesn't mean it can be immediately applicable to everyone. maybe his genetic variation allows him to digest corn with little problems while someone else may have huge difficulty. what the paleo "gurus" eat isn't a universal template.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:38 AM

+1 for not following the gurus blindly.

2b2c2e4aa87e9aa4c99cae48e980f70d

(1059)

on October 16, 2011
at 09:20 PM

Wheat doesn't cause problems for lots of people untl years later. Neither oes sugar or cigarette smoke.

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on November 07, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Robb also uses the corn tortillas as a cheat (on the weekend if he feels so inclined, or when out at a casual dinner with friends, that sort of thing). He never says they are a staple of his diet.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 15, 2011
at 01:06 PM

In the grand scheme of paleo-ness, corn isn't too bad. On the scale of grains that can screw you up (wheat at the high end, rice at the low end), corn is definitely a closer to rice than wheat. Of course, N=1 and YMMV??? If you can fit in a moderate amount of corn without issue, go right ahead. Don't worry about "paleo purity points", contrary to popular belief you don't get a gold star from Robb Wolf or Mark Sisson when you earn 1000 PPP.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on October 16, 2011
at 12:34 AM

Correct on both. In other words, you have to figure out if it's going to work for you because there's no one-size-fits-all answer.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on October 15, 2011
at 08:22 PM

N=1 means only you can determine what works for you via self-experimentation. I think YMMV means "your mileage may vary" but don't hold me to that one...

4e184df9c1ed38f61febc5d6cf031921

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on October 15, 2011
at 06:45 PM

N=1 and YMMV - please explain?

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

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on November 07, 2011
at 11:01 PM

N=1 is also used as shorthand for "the plural of anecdote is not data;" i.e. that which works for you is not necessarily applicable to everyone.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on December 28, 2011
at 09:05 PM

Corn? No thanks. most of the stuff sold in the US is GMO corn, which supposedly can lead to organ failure.

It may well be that most people don't show immediate symptoms, and after all, we're all grown ups here, so if you want to eat that stuff, go right ahead. Me, I'll stay away from it.

I'll stick to my somewhat non-paleo cheats: chocolate, tequila, single malt scotches, and bacon instead.

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on December 28, 2011
at 07:20 PM

Corn is only a vehicle for butter. Same goes for grits.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 14, 2011
at 11:57 PM

I dont know if corn is "OK", but grits are a boxed byproduct of corn that has been processed well beyond its original state (maybe?). I dont have a box or anything to look at the actual content, but if it was a simple matter of ground corn I would suppose they are about as paleo as corn. Then again I keep corn to summer in season treats straight off the cobb.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 15, 2011
at 12:02 AM

I always took corn to be a grain, albeit less problematic than wheat. As such I kinda treat it in general as a treat/cheat myself.

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