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Am I this bear?

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Created December 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM

"BLUE RIDGE, Ga., Dec. 22, 1985 (UPI)-??? A 175-pound black bear apparently died of an overdose of cocaine after discovering a batch of the drug, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said today. The cocaine was apparently dropped from a plane piloted by Andrew Thornton, a convicted drug smuggler who died Sept. 11 in Knoxville, Tenn., because he was carrying too heavy a load while parachuting. The bureau said the bear was found Friday in northern Georgia among 40 opened plastic containers with traces of cocaine."

First, let me say that I have an image of Yogi running around the woods all hyped up saying "Hey Booboo! You gotta try some of this!"

There is also the story about the goats who wear their teeth to the gums trying to eat hallucinogenic lichen from rocks.

Like the bear and cocaine, I cannot control myself around crap food (especially cookies). There is crap food everywhere. At work, people have crap at their desks, we are having potluck after potluck and there is often leftover pizza from somebody's lunch meeting. not to mention the bagels, donuts, muffins and such that constantly are provided to our group. At least I haven't stooped to eating donuts. Home isn't any better - everyone eats the SAD. At least twice a week someone is making cupcakes, brownies, cookies or pie. Then every "special" occaison we have ice cream cake. And then there's the holidays.

Plus, we seem to constantly going to one event after another - school, church, team sport activities - again lots of crap!

I just don't seem to be able to keep it under control. And as a diabetic, this is not a minor issue. I'm good for 3-5 days and then wham! Out of control for a day or two. I usually try to hide when I'm eating badly, since everyone knows I shouldn't be eating crap.

What's a bear to do?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

@Matthew - I'm pretty sure I saw another bear around here somewhere...

B525b3e4b1d6f1cdceec943cdec6eb7d

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on December 20, 2011
at 03:08 AM

legup, I started with the recipe at http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-energy-bar-redux/ and then modified that in hundreds of different ways. Try doing that, and you'll soon have dozens of recipes to use.I made these in cupcake-casings - easier that way.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on December 16, 2011
at 03:35 PM

325 to be exact. I don't have pics in before and after. I'm pretty embarrassed about my before pics. I really had no idea I was that fat. Now that I get it it's a bit of a tough pill to swallow. I keep them with me in my wallet and will pull them out and show them to people but for the most part I keep them to myself.

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

(8878)

on December 16, 2011
at 02:45 PM

Really, Shari, 300 pounds? That's serious. Are you in the before and after pics thread?

2d1729002574093032132b662b536226

(78)

on December 16, 2011
at 01:00 AM

that bear is waaaaay to fat to be a coke head!

1096aa84d006fe967128ffbd37e8070e

(1002)

on December 16, 2011
at 12:08 AM

Please post your recipe for energy bars... I'm looking for something to replace chocolate luna bars, which are like candy. I do need to carry something around for quick energy on my long days. Thanks!

956bcad1d462d433a4e1e22f6e3355d5

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on December 15, 2011
at 11:59 PM

People like you are to easily offended imho.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on December 15, 2011
at 11:29 PM

And this would appear to imply that all fat people are just undisciplined slobs which we actually know is not true. I understand the underlying sentiment but this is poor execution (at best)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 15, 2011
at 11:15 PM

Your (c) is particularly apt. In past years, I resolved not to binge, became obsessed and binged like CRAZY! This year, I said "no rules" and I haven't eating anything SAD or even those "paleo replicates" because I'm content with my usual foods.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 15, 2011
at 11:15 PM

Your (c) is particularly apt. In past years, I resolved not to binged and binged like CRAZY! This year, I said "no rules" and I haven't eating anything SAD or even those "paleo replicates" because I'm content with my usual foods.

76d70438d2442d21206b8e5528d23d23

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on December 15, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Makes sense. Maybe this, then: I've seen some diabetics (on low carb boards, NOT paleo) state that when the cravings hit, they combat them by going the other direction; that is, they reach for a salty snack instead. So maybe the answer is as simple as carrying around some salted almonds, etc, as your "go-to" alternative?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 15, 2011
at 03:00 PM

Upvote! After a high fat breakfast, pizza and muffins become about as interesting as the cardboard box they came in. I do know the scenario after having been in the coporate world for 3 decades, and and being ex-pizza afficionado.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 15, 2011
at 01:07 PM

Postural distortion problem.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 15, 2011
at 01:06 PM

This is not to say that the problem can't be a gut dysbiosis issue, a hormonal issue (in addition to diabetis) or a postural distorion problem, gumming up your vagus nerve-digestion signals or a T8-T9-T10 et al issue. Find a good neuromuscular therapist in your area. I"ll help you find one if you are interested.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:59 PM

Quitting smoking was easier for me.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:58 PM

You are the only bear here after all.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:57 PM

Good advice - thanks!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:56 PM

Most of the time I really do feel that way, but sometimes I get overwhelmed. It seems to correspond pretty well with my stress levels at work.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:53 PM

@Lauren - Thanks for making me laugh! @Travis - I rarely enjoy this food as much as steak and eggs. The first bite or two is nice, but I keep eating in spite of it not really tasting that great.

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:51 PM

I don't see SAD crap as food anymore. Makes it really easy.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:45 PM

This not a question of "self control". It is question of preparation for a difficult task. That's why it called a task,and not a walk in the park. I can become the same quivering mass of carb addiction as the next person.But as humans, not bears, we can see/predict future self distructive behavior.

C5c3a1fb34a486366e45afbb5eaaca05

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on December 15, 2011
at 05:25 AM

Am I the only one who thought of this? http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-fucking-love-cocaine-cocaine-bear

91d8945ef221c99c1f5987eb610c7134

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on December 14, 2011
at 11:35 PM

Love your last paragraph--slow iterations make so much sense to me. Each moment and each food decision over time just become "how I eat and what I do".

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 10:33 PM

I really hate the idea of ACCOUNTABILITY! Okay, I'll do it. I do need a buddy. Thanks.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 10:30 PM

"All existence is suffering."

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on December 14, 2011
at 10:03 PM

It's simply a matter of weighing the fleeting nature of good-tasting food against the lasting effects of it on your health and appearance. As trite as it is, "a second on the lips, a lifetime on the hips" is rather apt.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on December 14, 2011
at 09:56 PM

I can see that I am lucky that I am not exposed to SAD food that is available to eat. It is a lot easier if you don't see it.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on December 14, 2011
at 09:53 PM

I am the only bear here.

B525b3e4b1d6f1cdceec943cdec6eb7d

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on December 14, 2011
at 09:48 PM

Dave - As a former vegetarian, I appreciate a perfect steak more than I can tell you! :-)

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(2301)

on December 14, 2011
at 09:30 PM

Agree. all that crap doesn't even register as food to me anymore.

76c885d7d27e6c83542ea493ca866dcd

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on December 14, 2011
at 09:07 PM

your first point is absolutely true for me. way easier to resist in the first place than to have just a bite, or just a piece, or just a taste.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 07:08 PM

I'm really okay with my family eating the way they do. It would be easier for me if I didn't have to deal with all the bread, pasta, snacks and processed junk in my own house. But that's the way it is. Most of the time it doesn't bother me. And I don't usually start on a binge at home. But once I start, I will eat more crap at home later, usually to the dismay of someone: "Who ate my ice cream??"

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 07:04 PM

ur funny cliff. I know ur not trying to be. Eat more is a possibility. I don't think sugar is such a good idea for me, being diabetic. What would Ray Peat say?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Big breakfast and steak again. I see a meme developing...

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 07:00 PM

When I'm not bingeing I try to follow Dr. Harris' advice: "I am on record as saying that sweets should be mostly avoided if you do not want to have difficulty avoiding sweets." I used to do a lot of low carb treats (some paleo, some not) - but they were mostly a lot of work for not that much reward.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 06:52 PM

Oh, I do. I cook quite a bit. It's not really too difficult to eat cookies right in front of me. I agree that eating a good steak helps quite a bit.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 06:49 PM

Thanks! I tend to do better when I have a big breakfast (but not always). I usually have something that I can eat available. I just need to be more consistent.

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on December 14, 2011
at 04:17 PM

Learn to cook a delicious steak. Once you learn how to do that, eating anything else is just a chore.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 14, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Wow, Dave, this is heavy stuff and I know how much I always hated feeling out of control.

Is there any chance you can pre-empt this?

Can you start having a huge, high-fat breakfast every morning so everything seems a little less tempting? Maybe cook up some meat the night before and grab it right away in the morning?

Can you carry something less damaging in your pocket so even if you need to eat when you're full it's not the worst stuff?

Keep talking to yourself! What's most important, living a strong, active life or those treats?

I'm rooting for you!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 15, 2011
at 03:00 PM

Upvote! After a high fat breakfast, pizza and muffins become about as interesting as the cardboard box they came in. I do know the scenario after having been in the coporate world for 3 decades, and and being ex-pizza afficionado.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 06:49 PM

Thanks! I tend to do better when I have a big breakfast (but not always). I usually have something that I can eat available. I just need to be more consistent.

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Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on December 14, 2011
at 03:52 PM

Awareness of the excuses we make to ourselves. Sure it's a lot easier on a clean diet but don't let the talk fool you, it can still take an awful lot of willpower to reprogram your subconscious. I know if I buy something I will eat it, and any promises that it'll just be this one time and the rest of the week I'll be good never last, sometimes they don't even last out the day. Still, I used to allow myself to believe them, and still have quite a long way to go to remove all traces of that habitual behaviour.

A good step for me has been fasting, now I know I can simply choose not to eat if there's nothing suitable available, rather than rationalising that I 'have to eat something'. And if people are making cakes every week, well then there'll be plenty more cakes in future so I don't need to try this one as if it's my last day on earth. That's been a significant shift in perspective. And that's what we have over the bears. For all that we might be indoctrinated in harmful ideas and bad habits, we can take control. All the other animals would be dead in a week if they had unfettered access to our supermarket shelves like we do.

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on December 14, 2011
at 09:32 PM

One possible idea:
Make a simple wordpress blog where you log your daily food intake. Put the link to this blog in your paleohacks profile.

A second possible idea:
Get a buddy with a similar issue. When the odds are against you, you need a buddy.

A third possible idea
Always have gum in your mouth. Then you can't eat without comingling it with said gum.

A final idea
Do you ever drink fruit tea? I find that drinking those intense fruit teas with almost unnatural levels of fruitiness keep me from desiring junk as much.

This is a tough issue. Good luck!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 10:33 PM

I really hate the idea of ACCOUNTABILITY! Okay, I'll do it. I do need a buddy. Thanks.

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0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on December 15, 2011
at 10:06 AM

From Lauren in the comments:

am-i-this-bear?

You have my sympathy if you are surrounded by so much easily available crap food all the time. It is not a easy problem to deal with. I think free food offered to you is particularly hard to deal with.

Personally I know that I find it easier to stop at none than stop at one.

Resisting eating any brownies is hard but easier than resisting the second brownie.

You need some kind of mental wall between you and all that food. So that eating it does not even become an option. At least you want to have more control over your own brain than the cake does :)

I don't even want to know what ice cream cake is.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:58 PM

You are the only bear here after all.

2d1729002574093032132b662b536226

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on December 16, 2011
at 01:00 AM

that bear is waaaaay to fat to be a coke head!

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on December 14, 2011
at 05:33 PM

I can totally relate! ??Trying to be perfect through greater self-control doesn't work well for me either. I've been working hard to make better food choices over the last year and though I still get frustrated by some of the sweets that slip in here and there, I can say that I'm worlds better than I was a year ago.

For me the key was to never ever give up and to not beat myself up too much when I eat the wrong thing. I just try to enjoy it and minimize the impact as much as possible. I've learned not to compromise on gluten and that seems to help me immensely. I'm pretty convinced the gluten made me binge like you're describing and I'm pretty surprise at how much more control I feel now that I'm going on a year or so gluten-free. Now when I do have something it will be in the realm of an eggnog latte (cut with lots of milk to make it less sweet) or dark chocolate rather than cookies or cake. I also expect to have sugar cravings the following day because it's seriously crack. I try to have some warmed up berries with garam masala and cinnamon on hand when the cravings get bad. ;)

All the logistical things like bringing my own treats or cooking my own food helps, but I think only the paradigm shift really made a difference for me. As my food choices have improved, I've also found that I've really fallen in love with Paleo food and prefer it 90% of the time now anyway. I really get excited about delicious, nourishing food more than I ever have in my life.

I look at my health more like a long hike with some detours rather than a 400M sprint if that makes any sense. Slowly iterating over a long time towards improvement is much more sane for me.

91d8945ef221c99c1f5987eb610c7134

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on December 14, 2011
at 11:35 PM

Love your last paragraph--slow iterations make so much sense to me. Each moment and each food decision over time just become "how I eat and what I do".

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:57 PM

Good advice - thanks!

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B9637ddb9a9a5c6a7306e3c804fcd21d

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on December 14, 2011
at 05:32 PM

What worked for me, and so well that I don't care anymore about all the 'cocaine' lying around.

  • ask yourself, are the few seconds of (very subjective) tastebud pleasure you might get from insert SAD item here worth the effects on your health and figure? and the guilt you will feel afterwards (remember, guilt=stress, and if this happens often, its chronic stress, which is bad, bad stuff).

remember, people don't really genuinely enjoy eating all that 'cocaine' - I mainly just see them shoving it into their mouths, rather mindlessly. Very different from truly enjoying a very good stew, for example.

  • Strike these items off the 'food' list. They just aren't food. Would you eat glass, or plastic? No. Well, stick these items in the non-edible category. If you check out Peggy Emch's website (theprimalparent.com) and read her advice on parenting, you'll see she's taught her daughter to just see processed food as inedible.

Then again, this is just what works for me personally. I've always used the 'stick to your guns' approach, and have never understood the 'cheat' approach. I don't think its worthwhile to 'allow yourself' a little slack and put on a few pounds over Christmas, just because you just can't resist that cake.

Yes, you can! The thing is, the difference between you and the bear is that you have a human brain! Take the focus away from the food and to the company & conversation. Just because everyone is eating the pastries and donuts, doesn't mean you have to aswell! There's nothing wrong with ordering a cup of tea at a restaurant and keeping up conversation even if your friends are eating. In the end, remember, its your choice!

Personally, I don't care if its Christmas or my friend's birthday, no sugar means no sugar. No grains means no grains.

This is what works for me. Feel free to disagree... Good luck,

lots of paleo love :-)

Milla

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 15, 2011
at 12:56 PM

Most of the time I really do feel that way, but sometimes I get overwhelmed. It seems to correspond pretty well with my stress levels at work.

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(2301)

on December 14, 2011
at 09:30 PM

Agree. all that crap doesn't even register as food to me anymore.

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B525b3e4b1d6f1cdceec943cdec6eb7d

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on December 14, 2011
at 05:25 PM

I made paleo energy bar things to eat as emergency snacks while I got used to the paleo diet. That helped.

I was like that bear, but all cravings for sweet things went away once I'd been on paleo for couple of weeks.If you were at my place craving sugar I'd cook a fantastic steak for you. :-)

Have a big breakfast, work to change your habits, and that should stop your problem with cravings.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Big breakfast and steak again. I see a meme developing...

B525b3e4b1d6f1cdceec943cdec6eb7d

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on December 14, 2011
at 09:48 PM

Dave - As a former vegetarian, I appreciate a perfect steak more than I can tell you! :-)

1096aa84d006fe967128ffbd37e8070e

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on December 16, 2011
at 12:08 AM

Please post your recipe for energy bars... I'm looking for something to replace chocolate luna bars, which are like candy. I do need to carry something around for quick energy on my long days. Thanks!

B525b3e4b1d6f1cdceec943cdec6eb7d

(1680)

on December 20, 2011
at 03:08 AM

legup, I started with the recipe at http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-energy-bar-redux/ and then modified that in hundreds of different ways. Try doing that, and you'll soon have dozens of recipes to use.I made these in cupcake-casings - easier that way.

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on December 15, 2011
at 11:45 PM

You are singing my song. While not diabetic I did weigh over 300 lbs so balls were to the wall to be sure. For me it was a rewriting of the scripts in my head that finally worked combined with strategic use of off-plan foods so that I could manage my feelings of deprivation.

For me I had to go from a place of seeing everyone enjoying all this wonderful food and it being denied to me to a place of actively choosing not to have it. To come at it from a place of choice and empowerment instead of the pathetic place of feeling like a 4 year old whose mother was telling them they couldn't have to cookies sitting on the table. How you get there is something you need to work out in your own head but try to objectively look at your own thoughts and feelings and work on building some scripts that can help you think differently about the situation. While changing your thoughts will NOT change your DNA no matter who wants to argue otherwise your feeling come from your thoughts and thoughts can be changed which in turn will change how you feel. Just work on getting to the root of how you are thinking about this and feeling about it and how you might change these things to feel that it's a choice you are making and one you can feel good about.

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

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on December 16, 2011
at 02:45 PM

Really, Shari, 300 pounds? That's serious. Are you in the before and after pics thread?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on December 16, 2011
at 03:35 PM

325 to be exact. I don't have pics in before and after. I'm pretty embarrassed about my before pics. I really had no idea I was that fat. Now that I get it it's a bit of a tough pill to swallow. I keep them with me in my wallet and will pull them out and show them to people but for the most part I keep them to myself.

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on December 14, 2011
at 08:51 PM

We were all this bear at one point or another. Hopefully, we'll teach our kids to avoid crap in a bag/box and the next generations can avoid that evil.

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76d70438d2442d21206b8e5528d23d23

on December 14, 2011
at 04:35 PM

I like the advice from Nance to pre-empt things. Just wanted to suggest that cooking your own might be part of that. There are some great paleo transition recipes out there, and some great recipes that can be adapted to paleo pretty easily. (Try googling homemade sugar-free chocolate chips, and you'll see what I mean!)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 14, 2011
at 07:00 PM

When I'm not bingeing I try to follow Dr. Harris' advice: "I am on record as saying that sweets should be mostly avoided if you do not want to have difficulty avoiding sweets." I used to do a lot of low carb treats (some paleo, some not) - but they were mostly a lot of work for not that much reward.

76d70438d2442d21206b8e5528d23d23

(1098)

on December 15, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Makes sense. Maybe this, then: I've seen some diabetics (on low carb boards, NOT paleo) state that when the cravings hit, they combat them by going the other direction; that is, they reach for a salty snack instead. So maybe the answer is as simple as carrying around some salted almonds, etc, as your "go-to" alternative?

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76c885d7d27e6c83542ea493ca866dcd

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on December 15, 2011
at 01:24 PM

Dave, I've learned that for me, sugary "crap food" practically IS cocaine. Just recently, I've accepted that it is an addiction, and one that can't be taken lightly. Now, I try to look at sugary junk as a recovering alcoholic would look at a beer or a shot or "oh come on, just one little glass of wine." Because I don't know where just one bite, or one sip, will lead me, it's safer and simply necessary to avoid, avoid, avoid.

Realizing and accepting that this is a real issue for me has encouraged me to treat it seriously and to remain "sober."

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B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

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on December 15, 2011
at 01:18 PM

Cocaine is appetite suppressing and you'll be way to busy talking amazing crap to everyone at said events to have time to eat anyway. I say indulge.

When I'm not high on cocaine and I'm tempted by other people's crap food, I tell myself, it's not food, it's poison, don't eat it, it's for the weak. You're strong!

Sounds lame but it really does fortify my resolve.

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on December 14, 2011
at 09:49 PM

I was in the exact same situation, only difference was that I was the one making muffins, cupcakes, etc... :D So I just had to stop that, no big deal. But that didn't stop me of buying it elsewhere or eat the crap food people kept offering me and I couldn't say no to.

So I went looking for something to motivate me. And I found a lot of quotes, especially from Nike like Just do it (Or better, Just don't!), Yesterday I said tomorrow (Sounds familiar?). But after a few days, I slipped again, got back on track once more and slipped again and went back on track once more, etc...

Since support from friends and family (and of course you guys too) is a big help, I also thought of a blog. But that just ain't my thing. Although letting your frustrations go in a post on forums helps like crazy.

Now, what helped me keeping on track was a goal. I want to join the police, it's all I ever wanted, but suffer from various physical issues at the moment. And even that goal didn't seem enough to keep me motivated. Until I found my cherry to top it off:

The bitter truth, hanging right in front of me :)

am-i-this-bear?

956bcad1d462d433a4e1e22f6e3355d5

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on December 15, 2011
at 11:59 PM

People like you are to easily offended imho.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 14, 2011
at 10:30 PM

"All existence is suffering."

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on December 15, 2011
at 11:29 PM

And this would appear to imply that all fat people are just undisciplined slobs which we actually know is not true. I understand the underlying sentiment but this is poor execution (at best)

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on December 14, 2011
at 09:16 PM

Celiac with soy allergy works for me. I don't have the option to eat junk.

Speaking of which, I kind of lost my taste for junk food. But it took a few relapses to get to this point. Kind of like quitting smoking.

It gets easier?

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(20436)

on December 15, 2011
at 12:59 PM

Quitting smoking was easier for me.

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(3850)

on December 14, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Oh, I feel your pain. I used to be powerless around junky food. The three things that help the most are: 1) knowing that I can't have even one taste of "forbidden food". It's a lot easier to say no altogether than to stop once I've started. 2) going completely gluten free - feel so much better that you're not tempted to eat any gluten-containing food, which is 90% of all snack food. 3) Arming myself with healthy alternatives when I know there will be tempataion. GF whole food treats, be they deviled eggs or a coconut treat do not have the same effect.

Oh, and the one other (non-dietary) thing that really helps - having something else to do with your hands. I knit, and I make sure to bring a small knitting project with me to all social gatheirngs. Having my hands busy keeps me from eating just because "it's there" and keeps other people from pushing food on me. Knitting is also a good conversation starter - especially if you're a guy.

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(2178)

on December 14, 2011
at 09:07 PM

your first point is absolutely true for me. way easier to resist in the first place than to have just a bite, or just a piece, or just a taste.

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on December 16, 2011
at 01:13 AM

All these wonderful answers! I think what sticks out here is a two prong approach. The first is mental hygiene, discipline and commitment. That is easy when you are not hungry. Sorta hard when you are.

The second is to embrace the science. Jack Kruse fixes people with his Leptin reset by having them eat so much they are not hungry. A big breakfast of 50g protein will handle the cravings.

Another thing to keep in mind here. There comes a time, when adding back starchy carbs to one's daily intake that one starts to have "intrusive thoughts of food". I think that was discussed by Phinney on his Jimmie Moore podcast. Those food items are intrusive, but visual and possibly olfactory. There is an addictive process to sugars at work here, and that may make it essential for you to exercise exquisite environmental control.

Try to find a way to ask for the support you need and deserve from your friends and family members. Make them partners in your "recovery". I am not calling you an addict, by any stretch, but if you ate yourself into DM2 and were fat at one point, you did have a carb addiction, right? This is physiology, not psychology. Read up on it.

Put up a photo of your former self, where you can see it, and more importantly THEY can see it. They see what you have accomplished, and they get to be part of the solution by helping you continue.

If you look at Mark's Daily Apple from last Friday there is a story of a very fat guy who got very buff. I am sure that his family is not pushing donuts in his direction. They more than likely are saying Dude! Tell me how to do this.

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on December 15, 2011
at 11:03 PM

Wow, people here have great answers, so I'm not sure this adds much, but more suggestions for you:

(a) When you're tempted to cheat in private, remember that you're not rebelling against anyone else, you're just rebelling against and punishing yourself, and there's no reason for that. There are plenty of much more fun ways to actually rebel against other people :)

(b) I absolutely second the giant breakfast of eggs and bacon, smothered in ghee. Honestly, it might make you kind of nauseous (walking for about 1/2 an hour afterwards should help) but it really does make crappy food unappetizing and prevents you from eating again until you're actually hungry;

(c) Don't think about the food before you go to these events and visualize yourself avoiding it. Everyone says to do that, but then you're just salivating and thinking about those foods. They're not food. You're not denying yourself anything. You're just a different animal than they are. That's hay, they're horses, you're a tiger, go eat some lamb.

(d) Socializing is awesome. People who isolate themselves because of their diet are doing themselves a disservice. But that being said, you sound somewhat desperate, and you know that if you can lay off the junk for just a couple of weeks, the cravings really do go away and become more manageable. So, as a last resort, for just a few weeks, don't go to these events. Lie, say you're sick, make other plans that don't revolve around food (coffee breaks, movies, have people over to your house, etc.); and

(e) Lastly, don't drink for those few weeks. I love drinking, and drink a glass or two of wine every day. But when you're fighting an addiction, and your body is screaming for cocaine, lowering your inhibitions is the last thing you want to do. Snuggle on the couch with a cat/partner/book, sip some tea, plan your delicious fatty, fatty breakfast.

I have absolutely no doubt that you'll be answering a question in a month or so, saying that you're no longer coke-bear, and dishing about all the awesome things you did to get there.

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(37227)

on December 15, 2011
at 11:15 PM

Your (c) is particularly apt. In past years, I resolved not to binge, became obsessed and binged like CRAZY! This year, I said "no rules" and I haven't eating anything SAD or even those "paleo replicates" because I'm content with my usual foods.

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(37227)

on December 15, 2011
at 11:15 PM

Your (c) is particularly apt. In past years, I resolved not to binged and binged like CRAZY! This year, I said "no rules" and I haven't eating anything SAD or even those "paleo replicates" because I'm content with my usual foods.

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(78467)

on December 15, 2011
at 12:33 PM

My question on hunger as a Paleo talisman was ignored and/or poo-pooed. I will exhume it from the paleohack morge and turn the corpse in a different direction. GET RID OF YOUR HUNGER! EAT BETTER. if your answer is "I eat real well". My answer is NO ,YOU DO NOT EAT WELL ENOUGH! I walk around, through, and over crap food each day like every human being in the Western World. It's sometimes even in my house. Overnight visitors, friends and in-laws. It is no problem, because I'm one step in front of the hunger. I've just eaten my 100% Paleo meal, which I've customed made for my individual goal of avoiding hunger. It is not rocket science. Stop finding excuses. If you need to eat sit, eat shit. But really! Go back to the the drawing board and find out how to get rid of the hunger. Tweek the diet, and don't stop until you get it right. Sorry, this is what I do for a living., as a personal trainer. I hear this daily, if not hourly. I'm really a nice person. :) ..... And let me add , I enjoy your answers and questions here on PH!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on December 15, 2011
at 12:45 PM

This not a question of "self control". It is question of preparation for a difficult task. That's why it called a task,and not a walk in the park. I can become the same quivering mass of carb addiction as the next person.But as humans, not bears, we can see/predict future self distructive behavior.

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(78467)

on December 15, 2011
at 01:07 PM

Postural distortion problem.

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(78467)

on December 15, 2011
at 01:06 PM

This is not to say that the problem can't be a gut dysbiosis issue, a hormonal issue (in addition to diabetis) or a postural distorion problem, gumming up your vagus nerve-digestion signals or a T8-T9-T10 et al issue. Find a good neuromuscular therapist in your area. I"ll help you find one if you are interested.

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on December 15, 2011
at 05:33 AM

Pre-empting it didn't work for me. Having a "cheat jar" didn't work for me. Weekly scheduled binges didn't work for me.

What worked for myself, and my girlfriend, more than anything, was to just gorge on problem food items. To the point where I felt like absolute shit, especially in contrast to being strict Paleo. Do that enough times, and you get over it.

It took me awhile, but this summer I reached a point where nothing with wheat really interests me whatsoever...not even 85C Bakery pastries. And a week ago, I walked past the ice cream section at Sprouts and felt nothing.

Have you read Zorba the Greek? Wise words, that man.

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on December 14, 2011
at 03:37 PM

sounds like to me you have made some choice and you are not happy with them. my family doesnt eat paleo either. these people are like your family. i can respect my familys choice not to eat paleo, you can too. you can do it.

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(20436)

on December 14, 2011
at 07:08 PM

I'm really okay with my family eating the way they do. It would be easier for me if I didn't have to deal with all the bread, pasta, snacks and processed junk in my own house. But that's the way it is. Most of the time it doesn't bother me. And I don't usually start on a binge at home. But once I start, I will eat more crap at home later, usually to the dismay of someone: "Who ate my ice cream??"

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(12857)

on December 14, 2011
at 03:20 PM

Don't deprive yourself of sugar? or eat more.

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(20436)

on December 14, 2011
at 07:04 PM

ur funny cliff. I know ur not trying to be. Eat more is a possibility. I don't think sugar is such a good idea for me, being diabetic. What would Ray Peat say?

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