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What conventional wisdom advice just gets your goat?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 01, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Lately I have been noticing more and more crappy advice on TV ads, from doctors and in news articles. I think these are some of the ones that just get my blood boiling, mainly because they are advice giving to my in-laws who both have cancer and diabetes:

  • absolutely stay away from red meat
  • drink a glass of skim milk a day
  • use fiber supplements to stay regular

I try to brush off most stuff as nonsense, but when it's coming from a doctor its a hard pill to swallow (pun intended).

11b7b7ba720a5cd43c74a0ef99a16adb

(3448)

on February 23, 2012
at 09:40 PM

The 30 year AVERAGE lifespan was because childhood mortality rates were so high. In 1900, the average lifespan was only 40. Was it common for people in 1900 to die at 40? No, it was common for them to live into their 60's, but childhood deaths were also high. When you have a high level of people that die before reaching puberty (or even 1 for that matter) with the rest of the population that lived probably to about 65, you end up with an average lifespan of 40. The 30 year lifespan for paleo man is an average that includes high levels of infant mortality. The real lifespan was higher.

E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

(1303)

on September 04, 2011
at 11:44 PM

I read something about table salt being excreted very quickly, but I can't remember where (probably here, somewhere). And a poor sodium/potassium balance is generally a concern. But I've never heard of it causing nutrient loss, and my understanding is that salt only causes high blood pressure in about 10% of people with HBP. I don't have the data on this, though.

E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

(1303)

on September 04, 2011
at 11:07 PM

Have you asked him for the extra yolks? My husband still believes CW and refuses to eat yolks more than once or twice a week. I either eat the extras (like today- one whole egg plus 2 extra yolks), or I save them for making paleo pancakes or using as a binder. They may not be pastured, but they'd be free!

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:17 PM

Aw, the "starvation mode" myth. What total BS.

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:14 PM

WebMD is funny. A couple years ago anyone with something good to say about LC approaches was, apparently, not permitted to contribute. Recently, though, you can see this ban crumbling.

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:11 PM

My mother-in-law just started going to diabetes 'classes'. I requested she ask one question: Why do you recommend we be careful about fat? Is there any evidence at all that fat has anything to do with diabetes? The answer was "Avoid fat because it takes longer to digest." Uh, doesn't that mean it'll be longer before the next time you're hungry. The woman's *answer* was a justification for *not* avoiding fat.

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:07 PM

At least the new plate is a *marginal* move in the right direction in that is reduces the absurd amount of grain and starch that was being recommended on a daily basis.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on September 04, 2011
at 02:45 PM

If you look at every animal in the wild, the leading cause of death is loss of ability to hunt. When shit ices over I don't care how healthy you are heading into the storm, you're going to starve to death.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on September 04, 2011
at 02:38 PM

yeah, I thought the leading cause of mortality for paleolithic people (just like for most of human history) was infectious disease.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on September 04, 2011
at 12:37 PM

The bit about nutrient loss in the urine makes no sense whatsoever.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on September 04, 2011
at 08:31 AM

And don't forget "just eat a balanced diet."

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on June 02, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Yep, I've been there! When I used to do Weight Watchers and lived off processed foods, I felt like I needed to eat six times a day- because I was starving myself by eating crap.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on June 02, 2011
at 03:47 PM

Yes! It is! People do NOT understand it when I tell them this! I say, "I avoid processed foods" and somehow it translates in their minds as "I eat low-carb," which then translates to simply, "I don't eat bread." Somehow, not eating pasta does not occur to people...!!

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on June 02, 2011
at 03:40 PM

Wow, that's insane. You're much nicer than I am. I don't even eat my own mother's (very tasty) lasagna because of the noodles.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on June 02, 2011
at 03:35 PM

@Erik, my mom's favorite line as well. Drives me bonkers.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on June 02, 2011
at 03:34 PM

Ugh, I am so annoyed by the "6 small meals" line. I have friends who follow this rule, only they conveniently ignore the "small" part. I get to watch them grow fatter and fatter, all because of their "healthy habits."

446d2dddaeeccb2cc31a09cf20e40d46

(676)

on June 02, 2011
at 07:10 AM

There's a lot to do about salt (blood pressure, nutrient loss though urine, etc.), why not play safe and get rid of it? ;)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on June 02, 2011
at 02:14 AM

Death is not a side effect. Death would be the main effect!

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on June 01, 2011
at 11:29 PM

UGH! Sounds like what my mom fed us growing up! No wonder I graduated high school at 200 pounds.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on June 01, 2011
at 11:22 PM

That's EXACTLY how I feel, hcantrall. I can't figure it out either.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on June 01, 2011
at 10:46 PM

Probiotic = latest buzzword. Same with omega 3.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on June 01, 2011
at 08:24 PM

That is why we need to seek an optimized life......and its possible if you understand the biochemistry with the optic of healthy longevity in mind.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on June 01, 2011
at 07:38 PM

This. And nowhere on this new food plate is fat. =/

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 01, 2011
at 06:36 PM

The ads and their disclaimers bother me the most. The most recent one I keep seeing is for eczema sufferers and in the disclaimers it says it may cause cancer! Wouldn't that be filed under the law of diminishing returns? Eczema or cancer. I know what I choose.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 01, 2011
at 06:09 PM

I agree, but any diet, including Paleo, can usurp your thought processes. It's just easy to give yourself over to a diet, rather than struggle with it and see what works for you.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 01, 2011
at 06:07 PM

I actually think that is wise advice. Most people can do "all things in moderation." What's wrong with that? It prevents you from becoming a fanatic.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 01, 2011
at 06:04 PM

Why would you want to eat food without salt? Sounds like your touting one of my least favorite "conventional wisdoms": salt will cause heart attacks.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:57 PM

Wait. Wait. No more food pyramid. It is now a plate pyramid...err a round flat plate looking like a UFO with garbage piled on it? http://abcnews.go.com/Health/food-plate-replace-food-pyramid/story?id=13726798

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:56 PM

Wait. Wait. No more food pyramid. It is now a plate pyramid...err a round flat plate looking like a UFO? http://abcnews.go.com/Health/food-plate-replace-food-pyramid/story?id=13726798

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:21 PM

35 eggs a week is a nice PUFA-load.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:20 PM

Moderation for somethings is strict avoidance.

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on June 01, 2011
at 04:15 PM

I hate the calcium bit too. My wife and mother in law get this all the time from doctors. And pediatricians ram milk down our throats for calcium.

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on June 01, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Also, Moderation is different for everyone. I think drinking 2-3 glasses of wine a week is moderation, some may think 2-3 a day is.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on June 01, 2011
at 03:49 PM

It was interesting to see everyone's eating habits. Everyone had 2-3 servings, and then 2-3 portions of dessert, and walked away from the table munching on something, and then were hungry 2 hours later. My kids had the hamburgers and 30 minutes later in the car were starving. I just envisioned hundreds of empty calories...

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on June 01, 2011
at 03:48 PM

I almost said something at the comment about removing olive oil from salad dressing to make it "healthier". My jaw dropped, even the anti-fat crowd acknowledge that olive oil has a lot of health benefits. But it was one of those situations where it would have been hard to say just a little so I didn't say anything.

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

(2081)

on June 01, 2011
at 03:48 PM

The mother of my 16-year-old son's best friend is that way. Every time he spends the night at their house, he comes home with a voracious appetite and saying, "That's the only woman in the world who could screw up sausage!" Yeah, well, low-fat turkey sausage is already screwed up...

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on June 01, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Exactly, which is why I eat a little handful of lead paint chips when I have a sugar craving. It's not bad for me, because I only have a little bit a few times a week, in moderation.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:58 PM

That sounds awful. I'm afraid I wouldn't have been that nice, when it started affecting me physically I would have gone out and got food that didn't make me sick. I probably would have talked to them about their idea of healthy food too. I find it very hard to determine what is ok and what is not ok to say, my family says I lack a filter lol

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:47 PM

My husband who is only mildly overweight is type 2 diabetic. He got the same talk from the geniuses at the hospital. Here take these pills, stay away from those pesky fatty fried foods and make sure to get those TEN SERVINGS OF WHOLE GRAINS IN. The worst part is, I can't figure out if they are really that ignorant/stupid, they are trying to kill us or they just want us on drugs for the rest of our lives.

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:46 PM

I had to teach this food pyramid to my ESL kinders this week. I finally was like "actually no - bread is not really healthy for you, but steak is. Your teacher doesn't eat bread because it's bad for me." I know what I am supposed to teach, but I can't sell them the "balanced diet" thing and sleep at night.

A840a825c42276ad05f0a2c0bb2f914e

(46)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:37 PM

I love this! These are some of my top ones too. The five finger comments always get me...seriously? I NEED $200 sneakers to run and another set of $200 boots to hike! I'm with you, five fingers are the way to go. I have lifted weights for years and been doing crossfit for 3, people still tell me that females shouldn't do that, that i will get "bulky" well, years later I am not "bulky" and am twice as healthy as I was pre-weight/crossfit training. My other is that as we (women) get older, nature works against us so why fight it?

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:23 PM

I hear the same thing, yet I eat two big meals and have a snack, often have some chocolate, nuts and even wine. I dont like to eat a heavy dinner as my digestive system doesn't handle it well at night...I'm loosing weight, look great and feeling better than ever...yet constantly told I dont eat because I dont eat like everyone else around me. My conclusion, people just like to be critical of things they dont understand...nor interested in understanding.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:20 PM

another good point! Sugary probiotic yogurts of are of no real nutritional value nor for their intended use of probiotics; yet people tell me all the time to 'eat this' while I'm already on a high dose of therapeutic probiotics and yet they wince at this!!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:18 PM

yea thats a good one, its quite annoying from CW'ers who think that means you should eat grains even if it does internal harm to your system....don't get me started!! :)

2e841984c55e1f346f6e38f60c1620a6

(540)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:39 PM

My mother's standard line to everything...

2e841984c55e1f346f6e38f60c1620a6

(540)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:38 PM

I will have to take a look at those... Gout can be a problem for me when I don't watch it.

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:29 PM

I had someone recently tell me that I was "overthinking it," when I explained that I avoid neolithic foods to keep my blood sugar low. I know I blew out my pancreas on the SAD, and I know that avoiding things that make it work hard involves less deliberation and analysis than counting calories, carbs or grams of fat.

Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

(13635)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:24 PM

I hate that one also. It's a copout statement for someone who has no real thoughts on the subject. My counter-statement is always something like "Poison ivy and snake venom are ok in moderation?"

A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

(3895)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:11 PM

..and trust me, it really doesn't take that much effort to make very good 24 hours Yogurt from standard full fat milk, right at home.

A6e2b231f69366ce825476c5a6dcfff6

(1967)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:10 PM

Pasteurized pro-biotic anything seems like taking the long way to get where you started.

0d50f54d2c57d74806be35d916f8dc74

(634)

on June 01, 2011
at 12:49 PM

I've wondered if bizarre and baseless dietary recommendations extended beyond the US government. Apparently so.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 01, 2011
at 12:10 PM

I totally dig on your probiotic comment!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 01, 2011
at 12:08 PM

I totally dig on your probiotic comment!

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22
76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

(4620)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:18 PM

"Everything in moderation."

Sure, that can be legit sometimes. But I am so sick of people, who have no knowledge of anything about health and nutrition, covering up their ignorance and making themselves feel good by saying "Just eat everything in moderation and you'll live a long healthy life."

For example:
Me: "I don't eat wheat because it messes with my stomach."
Person: "Just eat everything in moderation and you'll be fine."

Gahhhhhh!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:18 PM

yea thats a good one, its quite annoying from CW'ers who think that means you should eat grains even if it does internal harm to your system....don't get me started!! :)

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:20 PM

Moderation for somethings is strict avoidance.

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:29 PM

I had someone recently tell me that I was "overthinking it," when I explained that I avoid neolithic foods to keep my blood sugar low. I know I blew out my pancreas on the SAD, and I know that avoiding things that make it work hard involves less deliberation and analysis than counting calories, carbs or grams of fat.

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on June 01, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Exactly, which is why I eat a little handful of lead paint chips when I have a sugar craving. It's not bad for me, because I only have a little bit a few times a week, in moderation.

2e841984c55e1f346f6e38f60c1620a6

(540)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:39 PM

My mother's standard line to everything...

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on June 01, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Also, Moderation is different for everyone. I think drinking 2-3 glasses of wine a week is moderation, some may think 2-3 a day is.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on June 02, 2011
at 03:35 PM

@Erik, my mom's favorite line as well. Drives me bonkers.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 01, 2011
at 06:07 PM

I actually think that is wise advice. Most people can do "all things in moderation." What's wrong with that? It prevents you from becoming a fanatic.

Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

(13635)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:24 PM

I hate that one also. It's a copout statement for someone who has no real thoughts on the subject. My counter-statement is always something like "Poison ivy and snake venom are ok in moderation?"

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on September 04, 2011
at 08:31 AM

And don't forget "just eat a balanced diet."

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Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

on June 01, 2011
at 02:38 PM

Every time I see the Food Pyramid, I want to punch a wall.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on June 01, 2011
at 07:38 PM

This. And nowhere on this new food plate is fat. =/

B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

(1546)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:46 PM

I had to teach this food pyramid to my ESL kinders this week. I finally was like "actually no - bread is not really healthy for you, but steak is. Your teacher doesn't eat bread because it's bad for me." I know what I am supposed to teach, but I can't sell them the "balanced diet" thing and sleep at night.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:57 PM

Wait. Wait. No more food pyramid. It is now a plate pyramid...err a round flat plate looking like a UFO with garbage piled on it? http://abcnews.go.com/Health/food-plate-replace-food-pyramid/story?id=13726798

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:56 PM

Wait. Wait. No more food pyramid. It is now a plate pyramid...err a round flat plate looking like a UFO? http://abcnews.go.com/Health/food-plate-replace-food-pyramid/story?id=13726798

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:07 PM

At least the new plate is a *marginal* move in the right direction in that is reduces the absurd amount of grain and starch that was being recommended on a daily basis.

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91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

on June 01, 2011
at 03:53 PM

Those commercials with Susan Sarandon touting the "benefits" of lowfat dairy make me want to just slap her and the entire dairy industry. We buy vat-pasteurized, non-homogenized, full fat milk for my teenage son. His best friend (whose mother is one of those CW low-fat advocates) was at our house one day, and I offered him a glass of milk; he demurred, saying he didn't care for milk. I gave it to him anyway, saying he should try it, so he drank it...then looked at me and said, "Wow! What have I been missing?"

I told him, "Real food."

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Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

on June 01, 2011
at 03:05 PM

I usually get irritated when I see ads for Soy products, touting their health benefits. Usually these are all around, since I shop at a co-op.

I also can't understand why diabetics keep getting advice to eat high carb diets. It's like the medical profession is trying to kill them off, not treat them.

Also, usually when I'm eating something, I get comments about how I'm going to die at a young age because I "just ate 12 eggs, that's like a year's worth of cholesterol", or my meat is killing the environment (I always feel smug when I reply that it's grass-fed, and it actually isn't destroying the world).

Another thing is, that my roommate separates the egg yolk out, and just eats egg whites. His diet also consists of tons of carbs (cereal, bread, etc.), and he states that he's "playing it safe" in regards to fat and cholesterol. My explanations of how fat and cholesterol are essential don't seem to change his mind, since I can't cite a value that he needs to eat.

E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

(1303)

on September 04, 2011
at 11:07 PM

Have you asked him for the extra yolks? My husband still believes CW and refuses to eat yolks more than once or twice a week. I either eat the extras (like today- one whole egg plus 2 extra yolks), or I save them for making paleo pancakes or using as a binder. They may not be pastured, but they'd be free!

10
C0fcb48d7da4f76fac17318efd2cd6b8

on June 01, 2011
at 02:12 PM

The advice the American Diabetes Council gives to my mother:

"Eating sugar has nothing to do with developing type 1 diabetes.

The biggest dietary risk factor for developing type 2 diabetes is simply eating too much and being overweight???your body doesn???t care if the extra food comes from cookies or beef, it is gaining weight that is the culprit."

So she basically has a doughnut in one hand and her insulin shot in the other.

The advice given to my mother by her doctor and the ADC REALLY GETS MY GOAT.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:47 PM

My husband who is only mildly overweight is type 2 diabetic. He got the same talk from the geniuses at the hospital. Here take these pills, stay away from those pesky fatty fried foods and make sure to get those TEN SERVINGS OF WHOLE GRAINS IN. The worst part is, I can't figure out if they are really that ignorant/stupid, they are trying to kill us or they just want us on drugs for the rest of our lives.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on June 01, 2011
at 11:22 PM

That's EXACTLY how I feel, hcantrall. I can't figure it out either.

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:11 PM

My mother-in-law just started going to diabetes 'classes'. I requested she ask one question: Why do you recommend we be careful about fat? Is there any evidence at all that fat has anything to do with diabetes? The answer was "Avoid fat because it takes longer to digest." Uh, doesn't that mean it'll be longer before the next time you're hungry. The woman's *answer* was a justification for *not* avoiding fat.

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B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

on June 01, 2011
at 01:51 PM

Eat whole grains. Don't eat rare meat and don't eat all that (yummy, yummy) fat attached to it. Also, the silly idea that tofu concoctions are just as tasty as the meat they poorly try to replicate. Women needing to take calcium supplements. You must wear super-supportive shoes for running and hiking or else you'll get hurt. Seriously, Mimsy - how are your feet not sore working out and hiking the mountain in those Vibram thingies?

Also, that weight lifting is bad for women and that if I want to get smaller, I need to do tons of cardio. Weight lifting/strength training will just make me look like a man. I broke through a plateau and got my hourglass figure back introducing this to my lifestyle, and the loss has been noticeable enough for quite a few people at work to comment on. However, when I tell this to other women, they act like I am some sort of anomaly and that if I was normal, the treadmill would be much safer and more effective for me.

Meat eating is not environmentally friendly. Apparently, cheap corn is?

Also, I hate this one: if you want a toned stomach, do ab workouts. Work those muscles to death and your stomach will shrink and get hard! Yeah, right.

And this more recent chestnut: some people are just born that way, and the best the obese can do is to try to keep their weight down with a low-fat diet and moderate exercise. We must accept our destiny and not hope to reverse thyroid and/or metabolism problems because those diamonds are forever.

A840a825c42276ad05f0a2c0bb2f914e

(46)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:37 PM

I love this! These are some of my top ones too. The five finger comments always get me...seriously? I NEED $200 sneakers to run and another set of $200 boots to hike! I'm with you, five fingers are the way to go. I have lifted weights for years and been doing crossfit for 3, people still tell me that females shouldn't do that, that i will get "bulky" well, years later I am not "bulky" and am twice as healthy as I was pre-weight/crossfit training. My other is that as we (women) get older, nature works against us so why fight it?

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on June 01, 2011
at 04:15 PM

I hate the calcium bit too. My wife and mother in law get this all the time from doctors. And pediatricians ram milk down our throats for calcium.

9
776bb678d88f7194b0fa0e5146df14f0

on June 01, 2011
at 02:37 PM

My biggest one is that soy is good for you - Leo Babauta recently earned my eternal consternation with a post about how soy is really good for you and the WAPF is an evil organization spreading lies about saturated fat because they want to kill THE WHOLE WORLD.

That saturated fat is bad for you is another.

That eating meat is bad for the environment, full stop. That veganism, not sustainable permaculture incorporating animals for fertilizer, is the best system for the environment.

That sugar and high carb, low fat diets are thought to be ok for diabetics. My mother is a type II diabetic and the fact that I and not her doctor, am the one who tells her to cut out sugar completely and go low carb, makes me so mad.

8
60199d3a580a4e17969059609e48e678

on June 02, 2011
at 03:18 AM

its not so much a nutrition thing but:: "you must deliver (child birth) on your back" UUUUGH!! that's the WORST position for you when you are in labor!

8
12da944d1e1782c66d3edfd60da18c5e

(130)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:36 PM

"Stay away from processed food.....eat lots of bread and pasta..." ummm, isn't bread and pasta processed???!!!

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on June 02, 2011
at 03:47 PM

Yes! It is! People do NOT understand it when I tell them this! I say, "I avoid processed foods" and somehow it translates in their minds as "I eat low-carb," which then translates to simply, "I don't eat bread." Somehow, not eating pasta does not occur to people...!!

8
Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

on June 01, 2011
at 01:05 PM

Avoid meat, eggs and dairy to treat gout.

Aside from weight, gout was my biggest health problem, and the above statement is what my doctor told me to do. I read Cordian and Taubes' thoughts on gout and I did the complete opposite of what the doc told me. I've had no gout symptoms in months.

2e841984c55e1f346f6e38f60c1620a6

(540)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:38 PM

I will have to take a look at those... Gout can be a problem for me when I don't watch it.

7
Bf72f771a19f3a3789f7fdf24c86daef

on June 02, 2011
at 01:17 AM

Eat 3 meals a day and 2 snacks in between- that way, you'll keep your blood sugar levels steady!

when i tell people i do one large meal a day, they freak out and tell me it's going straight to my fat stores because I'm starving my body, then "binging."

this from the girl who packs a sugar-laden fruit cup, soy milk carton, and honey-oatmeal-trail mix bar and munches practically non-stop all day. and she wonders why she has so much trouble losing weight. "I'm just big-boned. You see, I eat healthy- lots of little meals throughout the day, so it can't be my perfect diet. It's probably just genetics."

Oh Girl, you have no clue

and when I have to feel guilty about eating butter straight. wish that was the norm :)

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:17 PM

Aw, the "starvation mode" myth. What total BS.

7
24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on June 01, 2011
at 12:35 PM

Eat soy and other beans as a healthy alternative to meat, and eat 6 small meals a day to keep you from going into STARVATION MODE!!!

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on June 02, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Yep, I've been there! When I used to do Weight Watchers and lived off processed foods, I felt like I needed to eat six times a day- because I was starving myself by eating crap.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on June 02, 2011
at 03:34 PM

Ugh, I am so annoyed by the "6 small meals" line. I have friends who follow this rule, only they conveniently ignore the "small" part. I get to watch them grow fatter and fatter, all because of their "healthy habits."

6
E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on June 02, 2011
at 01:12 AM

It's not conventional wisdom (at least not yet) but the new "reports" (by uninformed, lazy journalists) warning that gluten free diets can be dangerous or cause weight gain. The craziest part is that the two that I've read really don't even give any specific mechanism for how it could be bad, only vague ideas that really have nothing to do with food or how our bodies utilize it, or the fact that starches just aren't necessary. We live in a crazy world.

6
7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:40 PM

Exercise is good for weight loss.

I also hate most drug commercials, especially the statin drug ones.

6
9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

on June 01, 2011
at 04:27 PM

That calories pertain to nutrition.

6
34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 01, 2011
at 12:16 PM

This from WebMD - "A recent study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition showed that a calorie-controlled diet rich in whole grains trimmed extra fat from the waistline of obese subjects."

It pisses me off more because it's on WebMD, people who don't know any better trust this site. They get on there and read everything as fact then pass on their "knowledge".

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:14 PM

WebMD is funny. A couple years ago anyone with something good to say about LC approaches was, apparently, not permitted to contribute. Recently, though, you can see this ban crumbling.

5
7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on September 04, 2011
at 01:18 PM

1) All the vague bullshit about "keeping your metabolism going" (WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN? Cellular respiration isn't going to stop because you go more than three hours without a meal.) by eating six meals a day or snacking all the time.

2) Avoid ever feeling slightly hungry at all costs. If you feel the slightest tinge of hunger you must immediately shovel a snack into your face. Fasting is the worst thing you can do for your health. It's like north americans have totally forgotten that feeling hungry for a few hours a day won't kill you and is far more natural than eating all the time.

3) Soy is a healthy substitute for meat.

4) Constantly touting nuts as an optimal fat source. And of course, you should cook in vegetable oils.

5) The obsession with that low fat sugary probiotic yogurt constantly being marketed to women.

6) Salt is terrible for you and you shouldn't use any in your cooking (when someone proudly proclaims that they never use salt, that's a sign you're in for a bland meal.)

5
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 02, 2011
at 12:28 AM

Mast$$bation causes blindness. Believe me, if that were true, I'd be wearing sunglasses and singing "Feliz Navidad".

Money can't buy you happiness. That's true, but it can buy me highly tolerable misery.

LSD splits chromosones. If that were true, you would be calling me something else, like, The First Human Clone.

5
7fdf813e2163735257aaab72178ee864

on June 01, 2011
at 05:56 PM

I'll admit that sometimes when changing channels I'll pause on the Biggest Loser. When i see the cheerios product placements and the claims that cheerios are part of a heart healthy diet, I get so irritated.

5
Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on June 01, 2011
at 03:02 PM

All conventional wisdom is based on allowing your thought process to be usurped. So your goal is to retrain your thinking process and no CW will ever bother you because it simply won't matter because you always think for yourself.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 01, 2011
at 06:09 PM

I agree, but any diet, including Paleo, can usurp your thought processes. It's just easy to give yourself over to a diet, rather than struggle with it and see what works for you.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on June 01, 2011
at 08:24 PM

That is why we need to seek an optimized life......and its possible if you understand the biochemistry with the optic of healthy longevity in mind.

4
06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on June 01, 2011
at 04:40 PM

The TV commercials for Crestor..."When diet and exercise are not enough, take Crestor" or the commercial for Lipitor,...the one that says "I trust my heart to Lipitor" Both of these have 45 seconds of disclaimers and a listing of side of effects. The best is "May cause death in some patients"

and the latest TV for Uloric for treatment of gout. ULORIC is a xanthine oxidase (XO) inhibitor indicated for the chronic management of hyperuricemia in patients with gout. ULORIC is not recommended for the treatment of asymptomatic hyperuricemia.

Gee, perhaps we could afford a multi million dollar advertising campaign on TV that says: It's the fructose, stupid. "If you don't eat sugar, or HFCS, or high sugar content fruit in excess, you won't get gout and you won't need Uloric.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 01, 2011
at 06:36 PM

The ads and their disclaimers bother me the most. The most recent one I keep seeing is for eczema sufferers and in the disclaimers it says it may cause cancer! Wouldn't that be filed under the law of diminishing returns? Eczema or cancer. I know what I choose.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on June 02, 2011
at 02:14 AM

Death is not a side effect. Death would be the main effect!

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9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on June 01, 2011
at 02:27 PM

We stayed with friends over memorial day weekend and the mom of the family absolutely avoids any kind of fat. We had 4 meals:

Lunch: Turkey sandwiches with fat-free mayo, Pirate's Booty (nearly fat-free corn puffs), fat-free chips, fat-free milk, grapes, lemonade with sugar.

Dinner: Frozen pizza (didn't see the box but from the taste both the crust and cheese must have been non-fat), salad with vinegar dressing with a splash of oil ("to make the dressing healthier I substitute most of the oil with vinegar" she said), sliced tomatoes, grapes, carrot sticks, non-fat ranch dressing. Berries with fat-free pound cake and low-fat ice cream for dessert.

Breakfast: bagels with fat-free cream cheese, fat-free butter substitute, a fat-free strudel type pastry, fat-free milk, lemonade with sugar.

Lunch: Same turkey sandwiches.

Dinner: Hamburgers (didn't see the package but they tasted like the "95% lean" beef), corn with fat-free butter substitute, fat-free hot dogs, fat-free cheese, fat-free mayo, ketchup, relish, pickles, fat-free milk, lemonade. Popsicles for dessert.

Despite this being the complete opposite of the diet that I want, I politely ate most meals. Suffice it to say that by the end of the second night I was in distress, with headaches and diarrhea. I snuck into the kitchen when nobody was around and looked for some butter, olive oil, any kind of fat, but there wasn't even any in the house.

The mom (who is a lovely friend of our family) seems to have bought into the "conventional" diet wisdom, with a vengeance. All of the food in the house is free of fat, mostly free of nutrients, mostly processed, and with lots of sugar. Her doctor recommends a "low fat" diet so this is exactly what she does. It was horrible!

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:58 PM

That sounds awful. I'm afraid I wouldn't have been that nice, when it started affecting me physically I would have gone out and got food that didn't make me sick. I probably would have talked to them about their idea of healthy food too. I find it very hard to determine what is ok and what is not ok to say, my family says I lack a filter lol

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

(2081)

on June 01, 2011
at 03:48 PM

The mother of my 16-year-old son's best friend is that way. Every time he spends the night at their house, he comes home with a voracious appetite and saying, "That's the only woman in the world who could screw up sausage!" Yeah, well, low-fat turkey sausage is already screwed up...

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on June 01, 2011
at 03:48 PM

I almost said something at the comment about removing olive oil from salad dressing to make it "healthier". My jaw dropped, even the anti-fat crowd acknowledge that olive oil has a lot of health benefits. But it was one of those situations where it would have been hard to say just a little so I didn't say anything.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on June 01, 2011
at 11:29 PM

UGH! Sounds like what my mom fed us growing up! No wonder I graduated high school at 200 pounds.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on June 01, 2011
at 03:49 PM

It was interesting to see everyone's eating habits. Everyone had 2-3 servings, and then 2-3 portions of dessert, and walked away from the table munching on something, and then were hungry 2 hours later. My kids had the hamburgers and 30 minutes later in the car were starving. I just envisioned hundreds of empty calories...

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on June 02, 2011
at 03:40 PM

Wow, that's insane. You're much nicer than I am. I don't even eat my own mother's (very tasty) lasagna because of the noodles.

4
8d1ce78fe7071f2f60fd59365bf21cfc

(580)

on June 01, 2011
at 12:01 PM

  • The eggs & cholesterol issue. "Official" recommendations in Finland are something like 2 a week. A WEEK. I used to eat 4-5 a day, and the most I've had in a day is around 10.

  • The "60 % of energy from carbs"-recommendation. So outdated, especially for people who don't excercise.

These are at least the "official"-recommendation in Finland.

The marketing of probiotic dairy products also bugs me. Most of those products are full of sugar anyway and pasteurized so the benefits are pretty minimal. I have a lot of friends who eat these products, and I always say why don't you save your money, buy probiotic pills and eat your youghurt plain with fresh berries instead of these sugar or sweetener filled "health products".

A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

(3895)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:11 PM

..and trust me, it really doesn't take that much effort to make very good 24 hours Yogurt from standard full fat milk, right at home.

0d50f54d2c57d74806be35d916f8dc74

(634)

on June 01, 2011
at 12:49 PM

I've wondered if bizarre and baseless dietary recommendations extended beyond the US government. Apparently so.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 01, 2011
at 12:08 PM

I totally dig on your probiotic comment!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 01, 2011
at 12:10 PM

I totally dig on your probiotic comment!

A6e2b231f69366ce825476c5a6dcfff6

(1967)

on June 01, 2011
at 01:10 PM

Pasteurized pro-biotic anything seems like taking the long way to get where you started.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:20 PM

another good point! Sugary probiotic yogurts of are of no real nutritional value nor for their intended use of probiotics; yet people tell me all the time to 'eat this' while I'm already on a high dose of therapeutic probiotics and yet they wince at this!!

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on June 01, 2011
at 10:46 PM

Probiotic = latest buzzword. Same with omega 3.

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446d2dddaeeccb2cc31a09cf20e40d46

on June 01, 2011
at 11:57 AM

  • 35 eggs per week can easily kill you, 80 slices of bread per week is okay.
  • Food without salt is boring/bland.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 01, 2011
at 06:04 PM

Why would you want to eat food without salt? Sounds like your touting one of my least favorite "conventional wisdoms": salt will cause heart attacks.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on June 01, 2011
at 05:21 PM

35 eggs a week is a nice PUFA-load.

446d2dddaeeccb2cc31a09cf20e40d46

(676)

on June 02, 2011
at 07:10 AM

There's a lot to do about salt (blood pressure, nutrient loss though urine, etc.), why not play safe and get rid of it? ;)

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on September 04, 2011
at 12:37 PM

The bit about nutrient loss in the urine makes no sense whatsoever.

E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

(1303)

on September 04, 2011
at 11:44 PM

I read something about table salt being excreted very quickly, but I can't remember where (probably here, somewhere). And a poor sodium/potassium balance is generally a concern. But I've never heard of it causing nutrient loss, and my understanding is that salt only causes high blood pressure in about 10% of people with HBP. I don't have the data on this, though.

4
8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 01, 2011
at 11:49 AM

  1. I have to say don't skip a meal (eat 3 meals a day or 6 small meals a day) or else it will slow down your metabolism!

My friends and family think that I starve myself to lose weight because I do not eat dinner often or skip a whole day of eating. They just have no clue.

  1. You need to eat fruit, sugar, or grains to live.

  2. Low carb high fat diets are dangerous.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:23 PM

I hear the same thing, yet I eat two big meals and have a snack, often have some chocolate, nuts and even wine. I dont like to eat a heavy dinner as my digestive system doesn't handle it well at night...I'm loosing weight, look great and feeling better than ever...yet constantly told I dont eat because I dont eat like everyone else around me. My conclusion, people just like to be critical of things they dont understand...nor interested in understanding.

3
7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on September 04, 2011
at 07:16 AM

My favorite is..:"oh come on...you can have ONE."

3
65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on June 01, 2011
at 11:36 PM

ORGANIC MACARONI AND CHEESE (or insert other processed SAD sh*t here) IS HEALTHY just because you buy it at whole foods. I was babysitting last week and the 8 year old girl is a vegetarian.... she wanted mac and cheese for dinner and when I opened the cabinet I almost laughed because there was organic mac and cheese (which is what I always use as an example of fake healthy), and I asked her what kind of veggies she wanted... she didn't want any (good ol vegetarian), but I told her she had to, so I made her a salad..... her toppings of choice included soy meat (I was kinda bummed that it was in a ziplock because I wanted to read the ingredients), heavily processed cheese, and canola/soybean-based dressing. VOMIT. The worst part is, how do you argue with that dogmatic of CW?

2
226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on September 04, 2011
at 02:34 PM

"Cavemen only lived to be thirty years old."

Oh really? Based on what science? Who funded that experiment(s)? Who perpetuates this myth?

And how on God's green Earth could you logically blame these conclusions, even if proven true at some point in the future, on the quality of food sources prevalent at a time well before environmental toxins, bizarre food modifications and lab-made additives/chemicals were introduced into our food and water supply?

Even if cavemen lived to be 30 it says NOTHING about the quality of the foods that were part of their Paleolithic diets.

That is complete bogus logic and the big food companies and feed companies pushing nutrient- deficient dangerous and lethal foods know it.

The truth is not that complicated...

Early man and woman lacked elaborate infrastructure, extensive transportation networks required to deliver foods at all times of drought and scarcity, to all locations, in even the harshest climates.

Paleolithic man and woman died when they had access to less paleolithic food, not more.

So lack of Paleo foods killed them if anything, not the Paleo diet itself.

This is basic fucking logic - but people fail miserably at making such a simple connection

If you have the chance to get your hands on a savory food of Paleolithic quality today, consider yourself extremely fortunate and eat the shit out of it.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on September 04, 2011
at 02:38 PM

yeah, I thought the leading cause of mortality for paleolithic people (just like for most of human history) was infectious disease.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on September 04, 2011
at 02:45 PM

If you look at every animal in the wild, the leading cause of death is loss of ability to hunt. When shit ices over I don't care how healthy you are heading into the storm, you're going to starve to death.

11b7b7ba720a5cd43c74a0ef99a16adb

(3448)

on February 23, 2012
at 09:40 PM

The 30 year AVERAGE lifespan was because childhood mortality rates were so high. In 1900, the average lifespan was only 40. Was it common for people in 1900 to die at 40? No, it was common for them to live into their 60's, but childhood deaths were also high. When you have a high level of people that die before reaching puberty (or even 1 for that matter) with the rest of the population that lived probably to about 65, you end up with an average lifespan of 40. The 30 year lifespan for paleo man is an average that includes high levels of infant mortality. The real lifespan was higher.

2
6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 04, 2011
at 06:34 AM

This is such a timely question, I just got a packet of recommendations from my health insurance company in the mail today. I'm wondering if I'm looking at my premiums going up if I don't make appointments to address the things they wanted me to do?

I'm supposed to get a lung function test because I developed asthma for a month as the result of some of the IV drugs given to me during the birth of my son. Apparently, they don't make any distinction between a temporary drug side effect and lifelong asthma.

They also included some dietary guidelines because my BMI is in the "overweight" category, and told me I should ask my doctor for a copy of the food pyramid (I thought that was totally defunct even by the CW gods), and to make sure I'm getting enough whole grains and lowfat dairy in my diet.

Arg! I sure hope they don't develop an evil way to start auditing my grocery receipts or the food diaries I've submitted to doctors, and somehow tie my rates to that. Paleo-friendly insurance plan where are you?!

1
B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:18 PM

  1. Eat small meals spread throughout the day
  2. Bread is the most important food in every diet
  3. Eat 2 fruits and 3 vegetables a day
  4. Saturated fat is very bad for you
  5. Acne is hormonal, diet does nothing
  6. And now some of my doctor's quotes : "to solve bad blood glucose, eat slow sugars found in bread, cereals, pasta, ..." & "eat as much fish as you want, but 200g meat every day is a recipe for disaster" & "your mold allergy and your diet aren't related, just avoid mold in your house"

The funny thing is : my brother studies medicine, and he contradicts me all the time. He says bread is very healthy, that small meals are better, that animal fat is horrible, ... What the hell are they telling those students??? Still using lies created 100 years ago?

1
361e96d70d6d3b91d63f6ad975e60ab6

(840)

on September 04, 2011
at 02:08 AM

"Everything in moderation" (When coming from my mother, who's moderation is CW hell)

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 01, 2011
at 02:38 PM

An apple a day keeps the doctor away.

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