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Is CW some great conspiracy theory?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Could it be that the federal government pushes whole grains, vegetable oil, low-fat milk, low fat diets, 25 grams of soy protein a day, etc as some part of a great conspiracy theory to get us all sick, even though they secretly know it's bad for us?

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on July 19, 2013
at 06:14 PM

A fat and docile population is easier to control. Keep people in front of their T.V.'s and eat McDonalds etc.

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on July 17, 2013
at 06:35 AM

umm okay .

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on July 16, 2013
at 06:54 PM

Nada, Argentinians eat 3 times the beef per capita as the US. Americans do eat more food per capita than any other country.

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on July 16, 2013
at 03:56 PM

Thhq, part (but not all, I'll grant you) of that difference in margins is due to government subsidies. Personally, I'm still unclear on why we subsidize the calorie-dense, nutrient-poor foods but DON'T subsidize the nutrient-rich, calorie-sparse vegetables and fruits that the USDA seems so fond of...

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on July 16, 2013
at 07:37 AM

Two key drivers for how we've ended up with this situation: 1) industrialization of food production (think tin cans, frozen orange juice) to feed troops in times of war, started with Napoleon and the invasion of Russia; 2) governments subsidies to feed the population, you can store a lot of grains for long periods of time making calories super cheap and warehousing easy. Free markets then do the rest for you.

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on July 15, 2013
at 07:49 PM

Conspiracy theories are a comforting thought but they are never true. Life is far more complex.

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on July 15, 2013
at 07:42 PM

And the US isn't alone in protecting its farmers. Japan is famous for rice protection, like US sugar. So it isn't just about economics. It's politics and nationalism too.

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on July 15, 2013
at 07:25 PM

Subsidies to farmers probably depress prices and keep grain farms highly productive and modern.

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on July 15, 2013
at 06:55 PM

doesn't seem to be working. americans eat more meat per capita than most countries.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on July 15, 2013
at 06:53 PM

doesn't seem to be working very well. americans eat more meat per capita than any other nation.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 15, 2013
at 06:45 PM

Even back in the 40s and 50s, coconut and palm fruit oil was used substantially in America as an ingredient and for cooking. The problem became that America didn't produce large quantities of those, whereas they did start producing grain oils. Suddenly the USDA, at the influence of the grain oil producers, said that coconut oil was bad, and (pseudo) vegetable oils were good.

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on July 15, 2013
at 06:43 PM

The best way to deal with this "conspiracy" is to buy local or gather your own. People living in urban areas can't do this. They should be grateful for the convenience foods, which are all foods. Cities are the great Neolithic conspiracy.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 15, 2013
at 06:41 PM

Government pushes grains by subsidizing them, and by recommending half the daily calories come from them.

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on July 15, 2013
at 06:38 PM

Money is made at Whole Foods too. Big Agra has a big tent. The margins on fresh produce are higher than dry macaroni.

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on July 15, 2013
at 05:03 PM

I'm not sure a low fat diet is bad for you. (As someone with a slight heart condition and ApoE4 genes.) But, they don't seem to have our health in mind when they subsidize HFCS (http://grist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/pb09-01sweeteningpotfeb09.pdf) and genetically modified soy.

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on July 15, 2013
at 04:56 PM

The problem lies in the almighty dollar. There is no money in eating a whole foods based diet that prevents most chronic diseases. The Ag industry, processed food industry and the pharmaceutical industry contribute billions to make sure that things stay the same. Money is made on grains, not veggies. Pharmacy companies want to treat illness, not prevent it.

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on July 15, 2013
at 06:38 PM

Money is made at Whole Foods too. Big Agra has a big tent. The margins on fresh produce are higher than dry macaroni.

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

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on July 16, 2013
at 03:56 PM

Thhq, part (but not all, I'll grant you) of that difference in margins is due to government subsidies. Personally, I'm still unclear on why we subsidize the calorie-dense, nutrient-poor foods but DON'T subsidize the nutrient-rich, calorie-sparse vegetables and fruits that the USDA seems so fond of...

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 15, 2013
at 06:45 PM

Even back in the 40s and 50s, coconut and palm fruit oil was used substantially in America as an ingredient and for cooking. The problem became that America didn't produce large quantities of those, whereas they did start producing grain oils. Suddenly the USDA, at the influence of the grain oil producers, said that coconut oil was bad, and (pseudo) vegetable oils were good.

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on July 18, 2013
at 08:11 AM

I think if they were to recommend Atkins people would be even worse off. There's been countless health societies that have lived on low fat grain based diets, if people were to actually follow that advice we wouldn't have such an obesity diabetes epidemic. Vegetable oils I agree on but I would put all refined oils in that category besides perhaps olive and macadamia oil.

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on July 15, 2013
at 06:36 PM

why would government have to 'push' grains on people? grains have been a staple for millenia. societies eat them voluntarily.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 15, 2013
at 06:41 PM

Government pushes grains by subsidizing them, and by recommending half the daily calories come from them.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 16, 2013
at 06:54 PM

Nada, Argentinians eat 3 times the beef per capita as the US. Americans do eat more food per capita than any other country.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on July 15, 2013
at 06:53 PM

doesn't seem to be working very well. americans eat more meat per capita than any other nation.

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(10611)

on July 15, 2013
at 07:42 PM

And the US isn't alone in protecting its farmers. Japan is famous for rice protection, like US sugar. So it isn't just about economics. It's politics and nationalism too.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on July 15, 2013
at 06:55 PM

doesn't seem to be working. americans eat more meat per capita than most countries.

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(10611)

on July 15, 2013
at 07:25 PM

Subsidies to farmers probably depress prices and keep grain farms highly productive and modern.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on July 17, 2013
at 06:35 AM

umm okay .

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on July 15, 2013
at 05:57 PM

Im not so sure I prescribe to the notion that our government is trying to hurt us. Although I dont think they always have our best interest at hand. I lean more to the side of trying to feed the masses. One of the most basic needs of any civilized nation is to be able to feed it's masses. A starving country is a poor country and with the US trying to stay on top of the world the best and cheapest way to feed a nation is with grains. I also dont think that the medical and pharmacutical industry would be in any kind of trouble if the world stopped eating grains. I eat Paleo because I want to, not because it is curing me of any ailments, while I do believe that many people would benefit from eating Paleo, I also know an imense number of people who eat the standard american diet, young and old, and are not suffering many of the ailments that you hear about on this blog. Im not arguing either side. I just dont believe that when Kellogs came up with Corn Flakes they were thinking about how the rest of the nation could profit from it, they were only thinking about their own bottom line. Our food and drug administration is so confused and are learning by trial and error. Back in the 60's and 70's they had a completely different understanding than they do today about what is good for you and what is not. Even today one week coffee is terrible and leads to a host of ailments and the next it is filled with antioxidents and everyone should drink at least one cup a day. The same thing with fats, back in the 70's there was no such thing as good fats and today most fats are good for you. Its unfortunate but the best way to feed a nation that is fiscally responsible is to feed tham grains... Believe me, if you are poor you are not paleo. Many people may want to argue that fact and will offer cheap ways to be paleo, but when you live on food stamps and government cheese there is no way you are paleo.

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on July 15, 2013
at 06:43 PM

The best way to deal with this "conspiracy" is to buy local or gather your own. People living in urban areas can't do this. They should be grateful for the convenience foods, which are all foods. Cities are the great Neolithic conspiracy.

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on July 18, 2013
at 12:50 AM

Fun to think about, isn't it? As crazy as it sounds, it does make sense.

Selling drugs to people make more $$ than actually preventing and curing. Plus, an unhealthy population is easier to control, especially when that population is growing in number.

235e74b9adb57eff80592f064e1d298b

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on July 19, 2013
at 06:14 PM

A fat and docile population is easier to control. Keep people in front of their T.V.'s and eat McDonalds etc.

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on July 16, 2013
at 06:51 AM

There is a lot of lobbying in the UK on these topics (we just abandoned a plan to have a minimum price for alcohol and which would have required entirely plain cigarette packaging this week for example presumably due to industry lobbying).

I don't personally think a diet which is whole grains and low fat is necessarily that bad for people. It is eating the processed foods which is bad although I do currently eat high fat and low carb as trying to lose weight.The lobby which troubles me is sugar and soft drinks - the Big Sugar films on youtube are worth watching on that topic.

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on July 15, 2013
at 08:36 PM

Not sure why somebody downvoted this, it's an interesting thought and obviously paleo related so i voted it up one.

Personally i think even if "officials" who tell people what they should be eating understood the benefits of eating a grain/sugar/dairy/etc free diet, how would they go about implementing it into the food pyramid after years of telling people the opposite? Imagine how people who have been told otherwise their whole lives would react? My guess is a lot of people would take note of the fat intake and use it as an excuse to eat a bucket of fried chicken a day.

I don't like to be too much of a conspiracy theorist but when i see how doctors, even here in the UK hand out drugs like PPIs willy nilly for digestive orders when it quite apparently worsens conditions (just an example), it makes me wonder about how they're trained and how the pharmaceutical companies really feel about curing people.

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on July 18, 2013
at 12:24 AM

Kinda like what others implied, don't attribute to THE NEW WORLD ORDER! that which can be adequately explained with someone being knee-deep in bribes.

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on July 15, 2013
at 09:53 PM

It was definitely motivated by the food industry, even if not to directly sabotage our health. why the food pyramid changed

I do think that fluoride was added to our water supply to dumb down the masses.

Dr. Hardy Limeback regrets pushing fluoride

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