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ZC and Constipation--plus Hemorrhoids

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 04, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Tried the ZC to get rid of GERD. Well, it worked...sort of.

Swallowing trouble: Gone

Burning sensation: Gone

Food coming up: Gone

The problem is it made me severely constipated and in one day I now have a hemorrhoid. I ate:

1lb of grass-fed ground beef Small container of ghee 3 cups of bone broth 5 liters of water

I woke up with a fast heart rate + feeling extremely sick to my stomach. I ate some carrots and a small apple and immediately had to defecate. Diarrhea, of course.

Three questions: do hemorrhoids go away ever, or did I just start a vicious cycle that's going to get have my colon removed or something? I'm fairly certain low-carb does not work for my IBS but does for my GERD; is there any compromise? Anyone else have this happen on ZC or as usual am I just some anomaly that's looking worse and worse by the minute?

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on June 08, 2012
at 08:11 PM

No, hemorrhoids are the result not the cause of constipation. Those rabbit pellet droppings are the result of dry mucous membranes, gut dysbiosis, and/or lack of carbs. Fix that and the hemorrhoids will go away as they heal.

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on June 05, 2012
at 05:32 AM

My favorite starches: sweet potato, pumpkin and parsnips.

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on June 04, 2012
at 09:00 PM

he is only trying ZC for a week.

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:35 PM

Melissa is right, fiber when you have hemorrhoids is probably the worst thing, especially insoluble fiber. Whatever you do, don't listen to your PCP who'll pitch "more fiber and more water." What's worse than hemorrhoids is fecal impaction requiring third-party digital removal. Stay away from avocadoes and enriched fiber products.

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:01 PM

Your GERD will be helped by a 75-125g low but not zero carb diet. White rice, yams, sweet potatoes, taro, potatoes (if not allergic). Hemorrhoids may take a while to fix. That's why you need to soften them up and not irritate them with jagged rabbit pellets: use baby suppositories immed after BM, apply pH and/or coconut butter.

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on June 04, 2012
at 04:45 PM

I did, haha. I was trying to correct my GERD problem (which it immediately helped with). Can you list some safe starches? Also, have you ever had hemorrhoids and did they go away once you fixed your cause?

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on June 04, 2012
at 04:30 PM

What about if I get the stomach rumbling/slightly feel the need to go and then when I sit down, no longer have that feeling/don't go? Wouldn't that constitute constipation?

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on June 04, 2012
at 04:22 PM

Ohhhhh crap. I think cellulose is in the Digest Gold capsules, too right? Also, I found out the problem with the HCL (I take it in the middle of meals, no problem--though the AVC still works--I just had to figure that out). I feel like a "poop addict" at a Shitters' Anonymous meeting, ahahaha. "My name's Jon, and I used to go six times a day." I'll try and finish out this week ZC and go VLC with some pumpkin/carrots if I need to. Great timing with the roid, though. Sheesh!

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

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on June 04, 2012
at 04:19 PM

Not an anomaly. Happens all the time. Lack of moisture is one evidence of glucose deficiency and how ZC diets preserve resources and leave other parts of your body hung out to dry. Lesson: do not do ZC unless you have a compelling reason.

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on June 04, 2012
at 04:17 PM

I wouldn't take that, it has cellulose. ZC IS hard to adjust to. It is hard to accept that you won't have many bowel movements if you are used to them often though many VLC/ZC who stay on it permanently eventually have more. It's a powerful therapeutic tool in my opinion and for me it wasn't a permanent diet. I usually make soup with the pumpkin just by blending it with broth.

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on June 04, 2012
at 04:11 PM

Solution = SAFE STARCH. First, analyze your constipation / hemorrhoids. How did you get them? Is your colon tract bone dry? Rabbit droppings? Restore moisture with 100g of safe starch. Meantime, heal your hemorrhoids / fissures by applying Prep H.

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:19 PM

Yes. I had hemorrhoids at 18 because of my atrocious SAD diet, lack of exercise, and obesity. They actually got better with both pregnancies because I become extremely lactose intolerant while pregnant and had to read EVERY label. Of course, once I had the babies, I reverted to my previous diet, gained every ounce plus some back, and had to deal with hemorrhoids again.

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:15 PM

That's okay. Sorry if I ever come off as snippy on here--it's frustration at the situation, not at any of you. If you don't mind me asking, do you know from personal experience about the hemorrhoids going away with an increase in fiber?

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:06 PM

My apologies. I focused on the hemorrhoids and don't have GERD. I forgot about the spinach/GERD relationship.

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on June 04, 2012
at 02:55 PM

And therein lies the problem, heh. I remember you posted earlier about spinach causing GERD. As for tomatoes, cabbage and onions? Nightshades, FODMAPS, whatever you want to call them--you're supposed to avoid them with GERD. Kale can cause digestive problems too, apparently. It keeps looking more and more like I'm either going to have GERD or IBS.

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:28 PM

I would try to find one or two plant foods you can add that don't reactivate the GERD while you adjust to a low-fiber diet. But the priority now is to get rid of the diarrhea. I would try mixing the broth with a can of pumpkin to do that.

I have had hemorrhoids before and have been able to get rid of them without having to eat vegetables for fiber. There are plenty of people here who are on low-fiber diets and who do not have them or constipation. Your gut bacteria need to pick up the slack, but they are damaged right now. Probiotics should be helping. The diarrhea makes it seem like more fiber is the last thing you need though, it seems like you overshot the fat and should try to reduce it a little. Diarrhea is as likely to cause them as constipation. And remember not to try to go when you don't have to go on ZC/VLC- you are not going to have many bowel movements on these diets.

If you do try eating more vegetables, the gentle ones I recommend are

  • carrots (shredded or cooked)
  • pumpkin
  • purslane
  • lettuce
  • celery

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

(345)

on June 04, 2012
at 08:35 PM

Melissa is right, fiber when you have hemorrhoids is probably the worst thing, especially insoluble fiber. Whatever you do, don't listen to your PCP who'll pitch "more fiber and more water." What's worse than hemorrhoids is fecal impaction requiring third-party digital removal. Stay away from avocadoes and enriched fiber products.

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

(1307)

on June 04, 2012
at 04:30 PM

What about if I get the stomach rumbling/slightly feel the need to go and then when I sit down, no longer have that feeling/don't go? Wouldn't that constitute constipation?

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61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on June 04, 2012
at 02:45 PM

You can heal from hemorrhoids, but there will always be the risk of a flare-up. I have to make sure I eat enough fiber, without going overboard. I know it's time to cut back on my veg intake when my stools become too soft or loose. Since cutting out grains, there is much more consistency in my bowel movements. You will have to play with your diet a bit, adding in certain vegetables. Green cabbage (lightly sauteed), kale, spinach, mushrooms, cauliflower, tomatoes, onions, and garlic are the biggest part of my diet.

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

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on June 04, 2012
at 02:55 PM

And therein lies the problem, heh. I remember you posted earlier about spinach causing GERD. As for tomatoes, cabbage and onions? Nightshades, FODMAPS, whatever you want to call them--you're supposed to avoid them with GERD. Kale can cause digestive problems too, apparently. It keeps looking more and more like I'm either going to have GERD or IBS.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 04, 2012
at 03:19 PM

Yes. I had hemorrhoids at 18 because of my atrocious SAD diet, lack of exercise, and obesity. They actually got better with both pregnancies because I become extremely lactose intolerant while pregnant and had to read EVERY label. Of course, once I had the babies, I reverted to my previous diet, gained every ounce plus some back, and had to deal with hemorrhoids again.

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

(1307)

on June 04, 2012
at 03:15 PM

That's okay. Sorry if I ever come off as snippy on here--it's frustration at the situation, not at any of you. If you don't mind me asking, do you know from personal experience about the hemorrhoids going away with an increase in fiber?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 04, 2012
at 03:06 PM

My apologies. I focused on the hemorrhoids and don't have GERD. I forgot about the spinach/GERD relationship.

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on December 04, 2013
at 04:05 PM

Very informative and useful article! I appreciate the the effort you have put into your writing. Its clear that you know what you are writing about. In the article Constipation and Hemorrhoids says that the main cause of hemorrhoids is constipation, then you need to keep track of your stool to avoid constipation and everything will be OK. Wish health!

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on June 08, 2012
at 04:56 PM

Melissa was kind enough to point out I don't need to post any more sh*tty threads, ahhahahahaha--ahem! Anyways!

Can a hemorrhoid cause odd shaped stools? Here's a few things to prevent people from being alarmist (hopefully...) Looks like something has pressed on one side of the poo.

No pain

No burning

No itching

No blood

Not any difficulty passing now (have IBS working on those issues)

Had a colonoscopy 2 years ago and nothing was find: diagnosed with IBS

I'm hoping the hemorrhoid will go away on it's own, and no surgery will be necessary. When I can reintroduce supplements, I'm going to take some rutin possibly. I've read that will cure hemorrhoids.

5e92edc5a180787a60a252a8232006e9

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on June 08, 2012
at 08:11 PM

No, hemorrhoids are the result not the cause of constipation. Those rabbit pellet droppings are the result of dry mucous membranes, gut dysbiosis, and/or lack of carbs. Fix that and the hemorrhoids will go away as they heal.

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:48 PM

Yeah, that's the frustrating thing. Your recommendations for treating the GERD worked in half-a-friggin'-day. My poor gut flora don't know what to do with meat and ghee though it seems.

The nausea from the broth has happened before when it's the last thing I have before going to bed.

Celery and carrots never seemed to bother me much. And, don't laugh, I know from doing the Blood-type diet that pumpkin is a-okay with me for the most part. Questions, do you think that supplementing with gelatin might help with all these gut problems, and should the can of pumpkin be blended into a container (ie. what a couple of bones + water makes) broth or a can per bowl?

To be honest Melissa, I panic. Very easily. And it's likely I forced out stool because I had not gone that entire day despite the fact I had no bloating or stomach pain. Good to know hemorrhoids can resolve on their own though. Thankfully, mine don't hurt that much (external I think).

I'd like to try a rutin supplement for them, but you said no supplements.

Also, this is the probiotic I found (maybe it's the problem): http://www.renewlife.com/ultimate-flora-critical-care-50-billion.html

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on June 04, 2012
at 04:17 PM

I wouldn't take that, it has cellulose. ZC IS hard to adjust to. It is hard to accept that you won't have many bowel movements if you are used to them often though many VLC/ZC who stay on it permanently eventually have more. It's a powerful therapeutic tool in my opinion and for me it wasn't a permanent diet. I usually make soup with the pumpkin just by blending it with broth.

E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

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on June 04, 2012
at 04:22 PM

Ohhhhh crap. I think cellulose is in the Digest Gold capsules, too right? Also, I found out the problem with the HCL (I take it in the middle of meals, no problem--though the AVC still works--I just had to figure that out). I feel like a "poop addict" at a Shitters' Anonymous meeting, ahahaha. "My name's Jon, and I used to go six times a day." I'll try and finish out this week ZC and go VLC with some pumpkin/carrots if I need to. Great timing with the roid, though. Sheesh!

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E8dd83fe24a0879d8b16ab4ca92b72dd

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on June 04, 2012
at 02:57 PM

Here's the thing I don't get. When I first started paleo, I had some GERD/LPR, but my IBS got tremendously better. The GERD started to get better too, and then all of a sudden--wham! Out of nowhere it seems everything spiraled downhill after a month or two of paleo. Originally, my herbalist gave me some probiotics + FOS. They didn't seem to bother me at all. Now, I hear FOS can aggravate IBS. How come it didn't at the time?

Why was I feeling better and then all of a sudden I'm almost as bad as I was on the SAD?

Oh, and turns out Jack Lalane's brother lived to be 97...and didn't act at all like Jack (exercise, nutrition)...turns out genetics might have more to do with my situation than diet ever will.

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