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Sorry, another poo question, plus... I got 'roids

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 09, 2012 at 5:14 AM

Hemorrhoids that is...

Been paleo plus rice and potatos for over a year. In the last 5 month I've developed really bad 'roids and poo that looks like number one on the poo chart. I can't explain why it started...there was no change in my diet.

I am now 5 days into a W30 with the wifey and though I'm eating veggies like a mad man....no change. It actually seems worse.

Sample meal: Breakfast: 3 eggs, 2-3 strips beef bacon, 1/2 avocado Snack: 1/4 cup cashews/macadamia Lunch: coconut curry (cauliflower, carrots, butternut squash, onions, chicken) over a bed of saut??ed kale Snack: sweet potato with bacon +1/2 avocado Dinner 12 oz ribeye with heaping serving of saut??ed kale

I now poo every other day... And when I do, they lookand feel like small round sand paper rocks. For the hell of it, I ate a HUGE salad last night and today my bum feels like I stuck barbed wire in it.

I have no ibs or gurd. I've tried prep h, suppositories, 2% hydrocortisone... I'm so dang frustrated... ARG!

I would appreciate any advice/help.

Peace PH!

016de26fe61daf799662d3b7b2468324

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on September 15, 2012
at 04:36 AM

He's right. You should not only pee often, but it should be clear like water. Also, 1-2 tablespoons of coconut oil first thing in the am works for some people. I like mine in tea, or I cook my omelette in it. And I would add more fruit like pears to your brekky or for snacks.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 11, 2012
at 06:37 PM

just went to the dr yesterday and he asked me the same question.. then i reponded, "i pee a ton..." he said, it's not the same thing... drink MORE water!!

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 11, 2012
at 06:35 PM

ah ic, thank you for the clarification. i see it all the time at the store. i will give this a go this week!

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

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on September 11, 2012
at 06:33 PM

thank you! i will have to try this and see how i react. 7 days into a whole30 so it will have to wait though.

Da12b342d4959f5bd776c0f00b072a6c

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on September 11, 2012
at 01:31 AM

Yes, dried finely shredded unsweetened coconut (I'm an Aussie). It is usually found in the baking ingredients section near the dried fruit.

9c4ba98a3b480408bcf207f558fe659b

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on September 10, 2012
at 09:44 AM

@Renee No. STC is a specific condition diagnosed by transit study. I mention it because fibre is usually ineffectual/problematic in those cases.

9c4ba98a3b480408bcf207f558fe659b

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on September 10, 2012
at 09:38 AM

I wouldn't cut out soluble fibre if the issue is dysbiosis as the production of SCFA's are important for gut health.

016de26fe61daf799662d3b7b2468324

(688)

on September 10, 2012
at 01:38 AM

Then'd I'd go with exercise and the first answer - fiber-less, sans veggies and if that doesn't work try adding fruit. Apples and pears.

E17fe88b98575c183241fba50ae42b93

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on September 09, 2012
at 08:04 PM

Dessicated = dried

B885dc10c6263f5a4492205d50560bee

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on September 09, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Cut out 90% of your daily veggie amount until it becomes easy to poop without pain, then wait another week or two. Let your butt recover. :) Introduce one or two veggies back in at a time; it could be only the kale that causes the back-up, or the squash, etc. Hemorrhoids will not go away 100% and can be exacerbated by many things, but if you can figure out what causes them and avoid that, you won't even remember they existed. Good luck!

B885dc10c6263f5a4492205d50560bee

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:52 PM

The fiber is what gives your stool most of its bulk. Fat and protein are very easy to digest and don't have much left over to expel, but our bodies cannot digest cellulose/fiber, thus a very bulky stool. Fiber also absorbs a LOT of water, making BMs dry and painful; this will happen even if you drink (what most consider to be) a large amount of water.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:46 PM

i love me some coffee with coconut cream.. i will have to see if this is even possible.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:43 PM

thanks for the tip. did you just take spoonfuls of it or just put more in your food?

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:42 PM

the last one is the most important one i MUST remember. it seems like ive had it for so long i dont know what its like not to have it.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:42 PM

i drink plenty of water. i pee almost TOO much. as for relaxing, ive tried deep breathing, raising my legs/feet... ive tried it all. it does eventually come out.. it just looks like sandpaper pellets. :(

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:40 PM

i will have to try this if i can find it. is it easily available? trader joes or whole foods? ive never seen coconut labeled dessicated before.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:39 PM

im doing the whole30 so im not doing dairy at this moment. as for straining, i try not to. i spend 15-30 minutes a day trying to let it pass on it's own. it just feels terrible b/c of the whole sandpaper rocks coming out feeling.... ug! :(

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:37 PM

would never have thought to do this. should i stop eating veggies?

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:37 PM

no, i work 10 hour days and have a baby. i have no life! :P

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on September 09, 2012
at 01:07 PM

I'm confused - what kind of constipation ISN'T "slow transit"? Isn't that pretty much the definition of constipation? Also yes to not straining. For me, squatting on the toilet is key.

E2d885a66875eb01e931d369fac7353c

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on September 09, 2012
at 05:47 AM

Are you lifting weights?

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0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

on September 09, 2012
at 02:51 PM

Go fiber-less. Eat fat and protein, but don't eat fiber. See if you notice less digestive issues then.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:37 PM

would never have thought to do this. should i stop eating veggies?

B885dc10c6263f5a4492205d50560bee

(401)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:52 PM

The fiber is what gives your stool most of its bulk. Fat and protein are very easy to digest and don't have much left over to expel, but our bodies cannot digest cellulose/fiber, thus a very bulky stool. Fiber also absorbs a LOT of water, making BMs dry and painful; this will happen even if you drink (what most consider to be) a large amount of water.

B885dc10c6263f5a4492205d50560bee

(401)

on September 09, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Cut out 90% of your daily veggie amount until it becomes easy to poop without pain, then wait another week or two. Let your butt recover. :) Introduce one or two veggies back in at a time; it could be only the kale that causes the back-up, or the squash, etc. Hemorrhoids will not go away 100% and can be exacerbated by many things, but if you can figure out what causes them and avoid that, you won't even remember they existed. Good luck!

9c4ba98a3b480408bcf207f558fe659b

(355)

on September 10, 2012
at 09:38 AM

I wouldn't cut out soluble fibre if the issue is dysbiosis as the production of SCFA's are important for gut health.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 11, 2012
at 06:33 PM

thank you! i will have to try this and see how i react. 7 days into a whole30 so it will have to wait though.

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9c4ba98a3b480408bcf207f558fe659b

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on September 09, 2012
at 08:25 AM

Perhaps try fermented raw dairy, sauerkraut or vsl3 for a while. It may be a gut flora issue.

If an increase in vegetable fibre worsens things, it may be 'slow transit constipation'. But I would try the probiotic approach before seeking a doctor.

To avoid 'roids do not strain. Google is your friend re: how to avoid this.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:39 PM

im doing the whole30 so im not doing dairy at this moment. as for straining, i try not to. i spend 15-30 minutes a day trying to let it pass on it's own. it just feels terrible b/c of the whole sandpaper rocks coming out feeling.... ug! :(

9c4ba98a3b480408bcf207f558fe659b

(355)

on September 10, 2012
at 09:44 AM

@Renee No. STC is a specific condition diagnosed by transit study. I mention it because fibre is usually ineffectual/problematic in those cases.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on September 09, 2012
at 01:07 PM

I'm confused - what kind of constipation ISN'T "slow transit"? Isn't that pretty much the definition of constipation? Also yes to not straining. For me, squatting on the toilet is key.

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7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

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on September 09, 2012
at 08:23 PM

Try changing the way you sit on the toilet. Some people do better with squatting. Some do better with regular sitting. My 'roids are virtually gone now that I've started sitting.

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E17fe88b98575c183241fba50ae42b93

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on September 09, 2012
at 08:09 PM

When I get stopped up, I take a couple tabs of magnesium before bed. I'm usually good to go in the morning! I also found that a big glass of water before breakfast helps to get things moving, too.

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8b7835a7c00bd5ae5d0c4d3d6fbdb17a

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on September 09, 2012
at 08:01 PM

Get a Squatty Potty!!!!!!

http://www.squattypotty.com/

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E2d885a66875eb01e931d369fac7353c

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:20 PM

I started supplementing with Rutin (it's supposed to strengthen blood vessels), and it seems to work.

Also: avoid caffeine and alcohol. This had a huge effect for me.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:46 PM

i love me some coffee with coconut cream.. i will have to see if this is even possible.

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Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

on September 09, 2012
at 05:15 PM

My problem was that I was in Germany, where the toilets are higher than in the US, so I got a case of 'roids.

For me, I've encountered some things that really clean me out, and save those for a 'natural' laxative experience. Two main ones are okra (1/2 pound cooked does the trick), and a a handful of carrots (or just eating 6-8 carrots over the course of a day). Also fruit pectins seem to move thins along too, so go nuts on a half pound of blueberries or something.

For the elimination part, see if you can get a milk crate or something that will allow you to put your feet up a foot or so. That way you can sit on the toilet with your knees higher than your hips, and kind of let your sphincter muscles relax and gently eliminate.

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on September 09, 2012
at 04:44 PM

I had similar issues so I reduced fiber (I am LC-VLC anyway) increased my coconut oil consumption and drink nothing but water - problem went away never to return. Just my personal experience.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:43 PM

thanks for the tip. did you just take spoonfuls of it or just put more in your food?

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1cee42e02a56ca9c13453ce4dd5cf53c

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on September 09, 2012
at 03:40 PM

I have had similar problems. I read the book Fiber Menace which someone on here recommended. It has some interesting advice, but you can get it all on his website since he is really trying to sell his products. As a result of scrutinizing his products, I am taking probiotics, L-glutamine, and one tablespoon of citrucil in the morning. I'm also drinking Natural Calm which helps with stool softening. I hope some of this helps, as the hemorrhoidectomy is not a pleasant surgery!

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7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

on September 09, 2012
at 11:53 AM

use wet toilet paper

shrink them with an icepack

don't use hem cream, it gives you a rash after a while

remember this too shall pass

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:42 PM

the last one is the most important one i MUST remember. it seems like ive had it for so long i dont know what its like not to have it.

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016de26fe61daf799662d3b7b2468324

on September 09, 2012
at 11:27 AM

Are you drinking enough water? You need about 8-12 glasses of water a day which is a rough estimate and doesn't include anything you drink while exercising. Drink first thing in am, before eating a meal, after your meal, and last thing before bed. You may want to quit caffeine for a bit too, if you consume any. Also, "squatting" properly will relax your colon. I live in India so it's easy to do here. Last thing - exercise. You need to get up and walk around a lot to get things moving. Try to get in at least 20-30 mins activity each day.

016de26fe61daf799662d3b7b2468324

(688)

on September 10, 2012
at 01:38 AM

Then'd I'd go with exercise and the first answer - fiber-less, sans veggies and if that doesn't work try adding fruit. Apples and pears.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 11, 2012
at 06:37 PM

just went to the dr yesterday and he asked me the same question.. then i reponded, "i pee a ton..." he said, it's not the same thing... drink MORE water!!

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:42 PM

i drink plenty of water. i pee almost TOO much. as for relaxing, ive tried deep breathing, raising my legs/feet... ive tried it all. it does eventually come out.. it just looks like sandpaper pellets. :(

016de26fe61daf799662d3b7b2468324

(688)

on September 15, 2012
at 04:36 AM

He's right. You should not only pee often, but it should be clear like water. Also, 1-2 tablespoons of coconut oil first thing in the am works for some people. I like mine in tea, or I cook my omelette in it. And I would add more fruit like pears to your brekky or for snacks.

0
Da12b342d4959f5bd776c0f00b072a6c

on September 09, 2012
at 11:09 AM

Try snacking on a couple of teaspoons of unsweetened dessicated coconut - works well for me!

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:40 PM

i will have to try this if i can find it. is it easily available? trader joes or whole foods? ive never seen coconut labeled dessicated before.

E17fe88b98575c183241fba50ae42b93

(398)

on September 09, 2012
at 08:04 PM

Dessicated = dried

Da12b342d4959f5bd776c0f00b072a6c

(311)

on September 11, 2012
at 01:31 AM

Yes, dried finely shredded unsweetened coconut (I'm an Aussie). It is usually found in the baking ingredients section near the dried fruit.

06f46afda9ee3ca7f0070a3caa294a91

(305)

on September 11, 2012
at 06:35 PM

ah ic, thank you for the clarification. i see it all the time at the store. i will give this a go this week!

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