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Constipation, stomach aches, diarrhea

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 20, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Hi guys, a little back story before my main question:

I started taking on a loose paleo lifestyle ~ february as i have acid reflux issues. At that time, i had a lot of bloating and belching issues, which were eradicated after adopting a loose version of paleo. i went overseas, overindulged and also ate wheat products right at the end of my trip. Came back with a swollen mouth/gums, of which i wasn't sure was caused by the wheat or a dental issue (wisdom teeth).

went to the doctors and she thought it might be crohns disease or ulcerative colitis. i did take antibiotics for 3 days but saw they weren't doing anything so stopped and healed after time. i was referred to a specialist but he was a waste of time and money. I have previously had a colonoscopy and an endoscopy done in feb which was all clear except for slight irritation in my esaphagus from the acid. they prescribed me nexium, which i didn't take. I also did go to the dentist and he believed that the ulcers and swelling were due to my wisdom teeth (i also have a grinding issue; have to wear a dental guard at night due to excessive grinding) and the excessive grinding (i didn't wear my dental guard on my o/s trip).

having said that, after a few weeks the ulcers and what not were gone from my mouth, i ate a burger (lol) and after 1 bite the roof of my mouth started getting irritated and swollen. felt like some sort of allergic reaction. a week or so later, had 2 6 inch subway rolls and they were fine.

following all that, i started on a strict paleo diet on 8th may, the whole 30 day deal with basically no fruit and minimal veges. i wanted to get rid of the burping/belching i got.

initially, i felt great, more energy, wasn't tired and so forth. but then i started getting constipated and pellet like stools. i figured, this was because my body was just getting used to it. i also started eating more fats but to no avail. On top of the constipation issues, i started getting mild headaches in the forehead area after i eat food. and now today was the first instance where i started getting stomach pains and stomach grumbling sounds in my lower abdomen area. had to go to the toilet three times within a span of 30 mins, first two times constipated. 3rd time i had to go, i had diarrhea.

at the moment, i take a probiotic at night before i sleep. i take fish oil and vit c in the morning and night. i take betaine hcl with all of my meals. i also take a shot of apple cider vinegar after all my meals. my meals have been strict, meat (seafood, offal, red, poultry) and veges. the last 3 days, i ate no carbs at all, just meat and fats. i drink bone broth, licorice tea and also have made a new batch of fermented saurkraut. i've been avoiding nightshades, dairy, eggs and nuts since i started strictly.

anyone able to shed some light here after reading my babble? my belching/burping has gone down a bit but not completely.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

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on May 23, 2012
at 11:42 PM

thanks alot kelly :)

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on May 23, 2012
at 09:37 PM

sorry, I'm no doctor, I'd recommend you go back to your dr. and discuss what the results really mean, what they could mean if they continue this way or worsen, and what needs to change. I also recommend if you are not satisfied, get a second opinion or third opinion until you are comfortable with what you know/understand. You need to feel like you understand and can make a plan....

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

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on May 23, 2012
at 01:37 PM

it seems to be in the gastric, small bowel and TI plus random colon section of the report.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 23, 2012
at 01:34 PM

i did do a google and the results make no sense to me.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 23, 2012
at 01:33 PM

reading the report it does say, :Within the lamina propria there is a chronic inflammatory cell infiltrate within normal limits. Granulomas are not seen". it also does say, "separate fragments consist of large bowel mucosa with a normal architecture". should i be seeing my doctor again?

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 22, 2012
at 01:49 PM

any indications of imflamation (reactive c I think?) imflamation is a indication of many things, something to watch. Stool sample also look for mucus, pus

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 22, 2012
at 01:47 PM

Make sure you have copies of all test results and do a thorough search of normal limits online....I've had doctors miss things or 'ignore' things and gone to other drs who were alarmed....always check and double check, don't take their word for it until confirmed.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

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on May 22, 2012
at 10:41 AM

i got my biopsy: 1. oesophageal biopsies - within normal limits 2. gastric biopsies - within normal limits 3. small bowel biopsies - within normal limits 4. terminal ileum and random colon biopsies - within normal limits 5. rectal polyp-hyperplastic polyp the above are the results. if it was UC or CD, the biopsy should've revealed that right? i know this should be a question for my doctor but i just picked this up from the receptionist. i cannot handle waiting in the waiting room to see the doctor.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

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on May 22, 2012
at 06:01 AM

i also forgot to mention i've also had a stool test done probably late last year, november maybe and the doctor said the stool sample was completely fine.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

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on May 22, 2012
at 05:42 AM

i've called my doctor and it turns out a biopsy was done. i'm picking up the results after work tonight. having said that, i'm sure when i visited my doctor after the results were out, if there was anything to be worried about in the biopsy, he would've mentioned it? nevertheless, i shall go pick up the results again tonight.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:22 PM

your dr. doing the colonoscopy could have saved you tons of worries by doing a biopsy of the tissue for all these things.....

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:20 PM

likley not crohns but something to be aware of and keep alert: http://www.webmd.com/ibd-crohns-disease/crohns-disease/inflammatory-bowel-syndrome

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:18 PM

@JD, heres a link that lists some of the tests: http://www.webmd.com/ibd-crohns-disease/crohns-disease/tc/crohns-disease-exams-and-tests

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on May 21, 2012
at 03:43 AM

JD - I use mag citrate personally. And I'm happy to see the cowardly ghost downvoter has struck again.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

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on May 21, 2012
at 02:37 AM

i want to get tested for coeliacs disease but i'm weary to reintroduce wheat products back for 6 weeks in order to get tested =/ i'm on 5 HCL pills at the moment. i followed the instructions that chris kresser provided. i feel no burn or anything when i take 5 HCL's so i think i may not be creating enough acid? Heather, were you on a paleo diet prior to being tested for coeliacs? if so, how did you find reintroducing wheat products for the 6 week period?

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:36 AM

i want to get tested for coeliacs disease but i'm weary to reintroduce wheat products back for 6 weeks in order to get tested =/ i'm on 5 HCL pills at the moment. i followed the instructions that chris kresser provided. i feel no burn or anything when i take 5 HCL's so i think i may not be creating enough acid?

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

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on May 21, 2012
at 01:54 AM

JD, I thought my acid reflux was due to not enough acid...I was wrong. I ended up with gastritis and my third ulcer. And found out I have celiac disease. Be careful with the apple cider vinegar and the HCL.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 20, 2012
at 11:26 PM

the reason i was going low carb and avoiding fibre was because i read on here and a few blogs that they got rid of their acid reflux by going eating a vlc diet. i was going to increase my carb intake after i got rid of the acid reflux issues. specialist didn't check for crohns/UC. he was wasting my time and money as he didn't check for what i wanted to be checked for. can the gp organise a test for this or does a specialist need to do it? acid reflux is generally due to not enough acid. thanks for the yoga idea, will take that on board.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

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on May 20, 2012
at 11:24 PM

i can eat all of the above. i haven't tried chicory root so i don't know about that.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

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on May 20, 2012
at 11:11 PM

magnesium was my next step. anyy recommendations on which type? the meat and fats thing, i only did for 3 days. prior to that i was eating vegs with my meats.

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on May 20, 2012
at 12:35 PM

Have you considered additional supplements?

I would recommend magnesium to help things "move along". Also, while overdoing veggies will cause similar symptoms to what you are having, I wouldn't recommend just "meat and fats" - instead try to get some leafy greens in there.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 20, 2012
at 11:11 PM

magnesium was my next step. anyy recommendations on which type? the meat and fats thing, i only did for 3 days. prior to that i was eating vegs with my meats.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on May 21, 2012
at 03:43 AM

JD - I use mag citrate personally. And I'm happy to see the cowardly ghost downvoter has struck again.

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on May 20, 2012
at 02:04 PM

I do not know what you have. But I have gluten intolerance and all kind of other issues so I am like SUPER DUPER sensitive to many foods. But by experimenting I have figured out the foods I am NOT SENSITIVE to. I am going to list them below. Try eating them and tell me how you feel then. I have a feeling all your problems will be solved. Just try it for one day and do not eat anything else:

Steamed:

leafy greens (kale, collards, beet greens)

cabbage family (broccoli, cauliflower, etc)

red cabbage

green onions

red onions

other onions

garlic

mushrooms

carrot

beets

chicory root

celery root

bone broth

fish (salmon)

grass-fed meat

whole chicken

This is what my super-sensitive stomach/body CAN handle.

Hope it helps!

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 20, 2012
at 11:24 PM

i can eat all of the above. i haven't tried chicory root so i don't know about that.

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on May 20, 2012
at 02:02 PM

Little to no fiber with only protein will cause constipation. You need to find a good balance, even if its VLC which is up to 50g a day of carbs might help. I can only assume you are way below this, might be helpful to post your %s of fat/protein/carbs which will give more exacting information for better advice.

Too much fat can cause diarrhea, Fermented foods if not use to (if not weaned in slowly over time) can cause diarrhea too.

I find If I don't eat a consistently balanced diet, I can easily go from one extreme to the other all within a few hours. Everyones systems are different so you'll need to learn how much fiber you need to be consistent to avoid those extremes.

Cronhs- have they tested? there are also more indicators, perhaps read up on it, its not something to just toss out there without followup. (green stooles-indicate infection, inflamation in parts of intestines-tissue can be tested during colonoscopy, death of parts of intestines-which means it's not been managed).

Does the vinegar help? doesnt it add more acid to an already over acidic environment (if you have acid reflux).

You might want to consider yoga to learn how to consciously relax, I'm speaking as one grinder to another (I am also a clencher), it helps and you learn how to calm yourself down and breath. We apparently don't yell and scream at people, we clentch and grind and hold it all in, which in turn causes more damage to our insides, intestines as well.

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head, hope it helps!

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:37 AM

i want to get tested for coeliacs disease but i'm weary to reintroduce wheat products back for 6 weeks in order to get tested =/ i'm on 5 HCL pills at the moment. i followed the instructions that chris kresser provided. i feel no burn or anything when i take 5 HCL's so i think i may not be creating enough acid? Heather, were you on a paleo diet prior to being tested for coeliacs? if so, how did you find reintroducing wheat products for the 6 week period?

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:22 PM

your dr. doing the colonoscopy could have saved you tons of worries by doing a biopsy of the tissue for all these things.....

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 20, 2012
at 11:26 PM

the reason i was going low carb and avoiding fibre was because i read on here and a few blogs that they got rid of their acid reflux by going eating a vlc diet. i was going to increase my carb intake after i got rid of the acid reflux issues. specialist didn't check for crohns/UC. he was wasting my time and money as he didn't check for what i wanted to be checked for. can the gp organise a test for this or does a specialist need to do it? acid reflux is generally due to not enough acid. thanks for the yoga idea, will take that on board.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:36 AM

i want to get tested for coeliacs disease but i'm weary to reintroduce wheat products back for 6 weeks in order to get tested =/ i'm on 5 HCL pills at the moment. i followed the instructions that chris kresser provided. i feel no burn or anything when i take 5 HCL's so i think i may not be creating enough acid?

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:20 PM

likley not crohns but something to be aware of and keep alert: http://www.webmd.com/ibd-crohns-disease/crohns-disease/inflammatory-bowel-syndrome

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

(502)

on May 21, 2012
at 01:54 AM

JD, I thought my acid reflux was due to not enough acid...I was wrong. I ended up with gastritis and my third ulcer. And found out I have celiac disease. Be careful with the apple cider vinegar and the HCL.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 21, 2012
at 02:18 PM

@JD, heres a link that lists some of the tests: http://www.webmd.com/ibd-crohns-disease/crohns-disease/tc/crohns-disease-exams-and-tests

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 22, 2012
at 06:01 AM

i also forgot to mention i've also had a stool test done probably late last year, november maybe and the doctor said the stool sample was completely fine.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 22, 2012
at 01:47 PM

Make sure you have copies of all test results and do a thorough search of normal limits online....I've had doctors miss things or 'ignore' things and gone to other drs who were alarmed....always check and double check, don't take their word for it until confirmed.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 23, 2012
at 01:33 PM

reading the report it does say, :Within the lamina propria there is a chronic inflammatory cell infiltrate within normal limits. Granulomas are not seen". it also does say, "separate fragments consist of large bowel mucosa with a normal architecture". should i be seeing my doctor again?

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 23, 2012
at 01:37 PM

it seems to be in the gastric, small bowel and TI plus random colon section of the report.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 23, 2012
at 11:42 PM

thanks alot kelly :)

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 22, 2012
at 10:41 AM

i got my biopsy: 1. oesophageal biopsies - within normal limits 2. gastric biopsies - within normal limits 3. small bowel biopsies - within normal limits 4. terminal ileum and random colon biopsies - within normal limits 5. rectal polyp-hyperplastic polyp the above are the results. if it was UC or CD, the biopsy should've revealed that right? i know this should be a question for my doctor but i just picked this up from the receptionist. i cannot handle waiting in the waiting room to see the doctor.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 22, 2012
at 05:42 AM

i've called my doctor and it turns out a biopsy was done. i'm picking up the results after work tonight. having said that, i'm sure when i visited my doctor after the results were out, if there was anything to be worried about in the biopsy, he would've mentioned it? nevertheless, i shall go pick up the results again tonight.

E2f6de55758a0aecb210632f9e91259b

(10)

on May 23, 2012
at 01:34 PM

i did do a google and the results make no sense to me.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 22, 2012
at 01:49 PM

any indications of imflamation (reactive c I think?) imflamation is a indication of many things, something to watch. Stool sample also look for mucus, pus

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 23, 2012
at 09:37 PM

sorry, I'm no doctor, I'd recommend you go back to your dr. and discuss what the results really mean, what they could mean if they continue this way or worsen, and what needs to change. I also recommend if you are not satisfied, get a second opinion or third opinion until you are comfortable with what you know/understand. You need to feel like you understand and can make a plan....

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