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The more podcasts I listen to

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Created September 21, 2011 at 4:02 PM

The more podcasts I listen to the more paleo confused I get!! How do you sort through the information? I was just listening to balanced bites number 4 and they started saying less flaxseed (heard that before) and less avacado. And then less chicken and pork to alter omega 6 omega 3 balance. And now I'm seriously wondering how on earth I am going to stick to paleo without the last of those 3. So in summation, how do you sort through all this conflicting information, do you just self experiment and see what happens? Love paleo cause it has definitely helped me gain muscle mass woohoo! Thanks guys!

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on September 22, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Ben, I absoulutely agree! Why are we freaking out about chicken and avocado when people are still drinking coke, juice and eating at Panera and Subway (and thinking it's healthy). Oh, and don't even get me started on Robeks - the new fruit smoothie place. Oh, it's SO healthy - puh-lease! (one smoothie has as much as 80g of sugar)

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on September 22, 2011
at 01:35 PM

dave s, lots of recipes use chicken and avocado because those foods aren't innately bad. They just are what they are: higher than some think in omega six. If you're healthy and don't overeat omega six things then cooking with chicken and avocado is fine. Tools in a tool box.

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on September 22, 2011
at 01:33 PM

I agree that you can eat a good amount of chicken, just ditch the skin and maybe ditch the dark meat. Eat the leaner cuts of chicken and add in other fat to your cooking. Easy adn cheap good protein but you skip the omega six load.

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on September 22, 2011
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their point on the pork and chicken is probably about the fat content of those animals being perhaps higher in omega six than many think. It's easy to just think "vegetable oils are omega six so if I just eat animal fat I'll be fine." You can get more omega six than you may think from those animals. Easy thing to do is eat lean cuts of chicken and pork (breasts and tenderloin) and then add in coconut oil, red palm oil, beef fat, etc to cook it. You get that meat you want but you lessen that animal's omega six load on your system.

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on September 22, 2011
at 02:15 AM

plus one on the question too

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on September 22, 2011
at 02:15 AM

This is a trueism. The more choices you have the more you tend to get lost. I think you should make your paleo something simple that works for your biology and then go with it. Everyone's paleo is different. My paleo changes every three months based upon testing. Its not for everyone but it works great for me.

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on September 22, 2011
at 01:35 AM

I agree Tyler, Angelo has great information and has a lot of wonderful resources. He actually got me very interested in starting Paleo

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on September 21, 2011
at 10:24 PM

Do you listen to Latest in Paleo by Angelo Copala? I find him to be fantastic in discussing this exact issue.

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on September 21, 2011
at 05:03 PM

Just eat meat and vegetables. I think you should probably look at www.marksdailyapple.com so you can become more relaxed about paleo/primal. It's not hard to follow! Just don't eat grains (or very little of them). I still eat the occasional wheat tortilla and I seem to be doing really well.

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:33 PM

flaxseeds arent pointless, much work has been done in their regards to female reproduction, neurotransmitters and hormone imbalance. it is different for men and women

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:32 PM

eat............real...............food.......preferably seasonal

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:24 PM

that does make sense, health wise not too bad could lose some fat for sure but no auto immune issues really. Thanks for the understanding in your answer, I will try and not freak out over it :)

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:24 PM

Oh yeah don't get me started on that - so many Paleo recipes online are omega 6 bombs. I don't understand paying top-dollar for grass-fed beef and then finishing off with a dessert made almost entirely of nut flour.

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And yet so many paleo recipes feature chicken and avocado...

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Stop listening to all those podcasts!! Okay, just kidding, i love them too - and it can be very confusing. This advice on chicken/pork/avocado is mostly worried about excess n6 or keeping n6/n3 balanced. Nobody is really sure what the best ratio is and if you get some fish now and then, you should be fine. It also depends on how "off" your health status is - some people might need to be more strict and others not so much. If you are not experiencing symptoms of inflammation, I wouldn't get too wrapped up in "Oh, I better cut back on the chicken." It's much more important to cut back on the donuts!

I guess what I'm saying is that not everything said on a podcast is gonna apply to you. Your job is to figure out what does apply, decide whether or not to try it, see if it works and go from there. Robb Wolf's "How do you look, feel and perform" meme is useful in determining what you should do.

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:24 PM

that does make sense, health wise not too bad could lose some fat for sure but no auto immune issues really. Thanks for the understanding in your answer, I will try and not freak out over it :)

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on September 21, 2011
at 05:04 PM

Just eat meat and vegetables. I think you should probably look at www.marksdailyapple.com so you can become more relaxed about paleo/primal. It's not hard to follow! Just don't eat grains (or very little of them). I still eat the occasional wheat tortilla and I seem to be doing really well.

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on September 21, 2011
at 05:29 PM

don't live by what they say in the podcasts...yes, they are informative, but i don't think their advice should be taken too strictly...

bottom line - eat meats & veggies. eat what makes you feel good.

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Flaxseeds are pointless. Avocadoes are fine. Chicken is fine; if you worry about n6 then just remove the skin. Take a bit of fish oil and eat some fish 1-2 times per week and you'll do great. This is not stuff worth worrying about.

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on September 22, 2011
at 01:33 PM

I agree that you can eat a good amount of chicken, just ditch the skin and maybe ditch the dark meat. Eat the leaner cuts of chicken and add in other fat to your cooking. Easy adn cheap good protein but you skip the omega six load.

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:33 PM

flaxseeds arent pointless, much work has been done in their regards to female reproduction, neurotransmitters and hormone imbalance. it is different for men and women

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:10 PM

There isn't ANY conflicting information whatsoever in that paragraph - flaxseed, avocado, chicken, and pork are all high in omega 6 fatty acids. Doesn't mean you can't eat any of it (well, there's pretty much no good reason to eat flaxseed...), but just keep consumption down. It's why most people on Paleo are obsessed with beef and seafood - both have much better 6:3 ratios than all the above.

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:16 PM

And yet so many paleo recipes feature chicken and avocado...

51b472fa449ab0e5433f27dcd799fedd

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:24 PM

Oh yeah don't get me started on that - so many Paleo recipes online are omega 6 bombs. I don't understand paying top-dollar for grass-fed beef and then finishing off with a dessert made almost entirely of nut flour.

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on September 22, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Ben, I absoulutely agree! Why are we freaking out about chicken and avocado when people are still drinking coke, juice and eating at Panera and Subway (and thinking it's healthy). Oh, and don't even get me started on Robeks - the new fruit smoothie place. Oh, it's SO healthy - puh-lease! (one smoothie has as much as 80g of sugar)

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on September 22, 2011
at 01:35 PM

dave s, lots of recipes use chicken and avocado because those foods aren't innately bad. They just are what they are: higher than some think in omega six. If you're healthy and don't overeat omega six things then cooking with chicken and avocado is fine. Tools in a tool box.

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on September 21, 2011
at 04:18 PM

The majority of the fat in avocado is monounsaturated (67%). With a paleo diet you've eliminated most offending omega 6-s so I wouldn't worry about the omega 6s in avocado (11%) too much.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1843/2

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on September 22, 2011
at 01:30 AM

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with trying to take in as much information as possible--podcasts included. However, always keep in mind that the people who produce some of the more popular podcasts are usually the ones who are always keeping up with new studies, talking about them, and consequently reshaping their opinions. You sometimes hear people on podcasts say something about reserving the right to change their opinion down the road,which I think is a good thing. It is just the their best interpretation of the information they have, which will usually change. I just use them to stay educated knowing that it's always up for debate.

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on September 22, 2011
at 02:53 AM

I've learned a ton from Robb Wolf's and Chris Kesser's but even more through my own research. Start digging through the information yourself to see what works best for you. Everyone needs to do their own n=1. Just because something worked for someone doesn't mean it will or won't for you.

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on September 22, 2011
at 11:54 AM

The paleo info given in podcasts is no more confusing than reading the wide range of sometimes conflicting info given here at paleohacks.

I think the key is not to get too stressed about the minutiae. Pick a basic plan (e.g., meat and veggies, low "safe" starch) and go with that for a while, see how that works for you. Keep listening to podcasts though. There's a wealth of info to consider - think of them as food for thought - but you don't have to take it all as gospel.

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