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What are the guidelines for being hardcore paleo?

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Created July 16, 2012 at 2:27 AM

What is your opinion on what a hardcore paleo follower should eat? I'm particularly interested about the topics of canned and frozen foods, coffee, chocolate, honey and maple syrup, and dairy(especally butter).

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on July 16, 2012
at 06:46 PM

Thanks for responding with a legit answer to a legit question. And I really liked what you said about "nobody keeping score" (:

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on July 16, 2012
at 02:04 PM

"What is truly paleo though is not living under the chronic stress caused by obsessing over the perfect diet. Do the best you can and , include these foods if you want to, or don't. Nobody is keeping score"------Thats good stuff

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I like this answer.

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at 10:49 AM

Both have 30 day challenges which are extremely useful in resetting your whole relationship with food and how you eat.

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at 10:46 AM

+1 I highly recommend Whole30 and Robb Wolf also. Both have great books - "It Starts with Food" by Dallas and Melissa Hartwig and "The Paleo Solution" by Robb Wolf. Both also have good websites with forums.

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Melissa.....duh

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+1 I highly recommend Whole30 and Robb Wolf also. Both have great books - "It Starts with Food" by Dallas and Mellisa Hartwig and "The Paleo Solution" by Robb Wolf. Both also have good websites with forums.

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on July 16, 2012
at 06:34 AM

I do like that!

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Congrats for the only rational thread comment so thus far...

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God, the snark! It disrupts normal discourse! But I loves me some snark...

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The snark! It burns so good!

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Ah ha ha! +1. :)

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on July 16, 2012
at 12:51 PM

The biggest thing for me is getting rid of canned food. It is full of synthetic estrogen that has some devastating effects on your body. Frozen veggies are good to have on hand for easy meals, we even buy gigantic bags of broccoli at costco, the same rule apples to fish, we buy our salmon frozen because it is cheaper, and lets face it, any wild alaskan salmon you buy in virginia has been frozen for transport anyways. The rest of it you can live without if you choose to be "hardcore" paleo. Caffine stresses your liver in the coffee and chocolate. Most chocolate bars are made with soy lecthin and sugar as well so those are definitely out. Honey and maply syrup are just sugar, while natural, it would have been a rarity in the paleolithic era to ever consume that much pure sugar. Too many mixed thoughts about dairy to call it safe as well. What is truly paleo though is not living under the chronic stress caused by obsessing over the eprfect diet. Do the best you can and , include these foods if you want to, or don't. Nobody is keeping score

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on July 16, 2012
at 01:10 PM

I like this answer.

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on July 16, 2012
at 02:04 PM

"What is truly paleo though is not living under the chronic stress caused by obsessing over the perfect diet. Do the best you can and , include these foods if you want to, or don't. Nobody is keeping score"------Thats good stuff

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on July 16, 2012
at 06:46 PM

Thanks for responding with a legit answer to a legit question. And I really liked what you said about "nobody keeping score" (:

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Check out Whole30 for bootcamp-level Paleo. They address the question of dairy, specifically butter. So does Robb Wolf. Both good reads!

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:57 AM

Congrats for the only rational thread comment so thus far...

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on July 16, 2012
at 10:49 AM

Both have 30 day challenges which are extremely useful in resetting your whole relationship with food and how you eat.

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on July 16, 2012
at 10:45 AM

Melissa.....duh

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 16, 2012
at 10:45 AM

+1 I highly recommend Whole30 and Robb Wolf also. Both have great books - "It Starts with Food" by Dallas and Mellisa Hartwig and "The Paleo Solution" by Robb Wolf. Both also have good websites with forums.

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on July 16, 2012
at 10:46 AM

+1 I highly recommend Whole30 and Robb Wolf also. Both have great books - "It Starts with Food" by Dallas and Melissa Hartwig and "The Paleo Solution" by Robb Wolf. Both also have good websites with forums.

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on July 16, 2012
at 02:44 AM

Hardcore is hunting and gathering your own food, without the conveniences of modern weapons, and building your own fire to cook it with. Also make sure you are wearing animal skin loin cloths, and grunt a lot. It also means probably dying before 40, and most likely from an infection or freezing/starving to death. Other than that, it is living a normal life without amenities. Enjoy!

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on July 16, 2012
at 02:52 AM

Ah ha ha! +1. :)

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:56 AM

God, the snark! It disrupts normal discourse! But I loves me some snark...

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on July 16, 2012
at 04:35 AM

Hardcore is going beyond what you see and hear from other people. It is: performing your own research, using your own critical thinking, observing your own health, then dedicating your efforts to what is best for you.

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:49 AM

You need a slogan...all my clothes have the phrase...

"I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to become a vegetarian"

Tattoos are supposed to be hard-core, and it's all the rage to turn biblical quotes on their heads and use them as hard ass logos, you could try that?

...I'd get a tattoo myself but the sight of my own blood makes me pass out...as do clowns???and carnies...

Truth.

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on July 16, 2012
at 06:34 AM

I do like that!

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:54 AM

The snark! It burns so good!

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on August 03, 2012
at 04:20 PM

Wanna be a hardcore paleo? Start by turning your computer off, then take off your synthetic clothes and hike to some uninhabited place with no electricity or concrete, where you will be living until said place run out of natural resources for you to eat (and use for other purposes you may find them useful for). You better be fit and it would be good if you were a good hunter (using, of course, tools and weapons made by yourself).

Or you can simply build a time machine and go back "some" years. (Still not possible, right?)

Seriously now, you should define better what is a "hardcore paleo". I'm no anthropologist, but I think a paleolithic guy wouldn't walk around eating raw coffee beans and he certaily wouldn't wait for them to dry out so he could grind them and put them into water. Unless he had no other fruits or game taking his attention away from the coffee, which is a pretty weird situation, if you think about it. The same goes for chocolate. Maybe they used to eat raw cocoa and even cocoa beans, but I don't know if they would spend time preparing chocolate.

About frozen and canned foods, definitely not hardcore (if I get the idea of "hardcore paleo"). I've heard something about cavemen curing meat using salt water for food preservation, but I don't know if there's any research about this (if someone does, please tell us).

The exercise I always do if I want to think as a paleolithic caveman is to close my eyes and imagine I am one. Of course, that's paradoxical, because I don't know if a caveman would be able to close his eyes and imagine what his ancestors from 20000 years before him would think. Then I open my eyes (already in a "caveman mode") and I start going crazy because I don't know where did all this concrete and shiny stuff came from. I start putting every object I find in my mouth and that can be unpleasant sometimes. And I yell a lot, because I don't know where my caveman gang is. Then, when the window is open (because, for me, doors don't make any sense), I go out and start running away from cars, eventually hunting dogs, trying to fish in polluted rivers. All this may sound very crazy, but I think it's very hardcore.

PS: Being Brazilian myself, if it's Carnival season here and you do the stuff I mentioned in the last paragraph, people will not think you're crazy.

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on August 03, 2012
at 03:35 PM

Not a single one of you gurus mentioned wearing VFF.

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at 04:48 AM

mdasilveira That was the most epic post I have ever read.

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on July 16, 2012
at 01:53 PM

Once you get the whole 'no grains, no legumes, no dairy' down, you've got food quality issues on what you do eat. Then you've questions about foods- every once in a while you'll hear that no one ate nightshades in the paleolithic.
But food alone cannot make hardcore paleo. You've got to get serious about your sleep. Black out your bedroom windows and throw out those CFC bulbs- use the old fashioned incandescent bulbs. If you get really serious, wear blue light blocking glasses at night. Turn off your computer at sunset and rehabilitate your natural production of melatonin.

Then there's the question of seasonality. We got colder during the winter. We probably got hungrier and depended more on animal foods. In summer we got hotter and probably more of every kind of food. Now, how do we get the adaptation without killing ourselves?

These are a series of hypothesis about what it was like in the paleolithic, which serve as a way to create experiments that we can do to improve our lives. Some of the early paleo recommendations seem to be wrong- they hypothesized that salt intake was very low in the paleolithic, and the early researchers are still really slow in embracing the awesomeness of saturated fat. Meanwhile, I tend to carry around pure salt and ghee because my experiences strongly suggest these things are very important.

There's some sleep research out there that suggests a bi-phasic sleep pattern would make sense, but then there is all this other research that is down with the whole 8hrs a night thing. I recently have begun to wonder if the discrepancy comes is a genetic one. So, if I ever become independently wealthy I might try something like sleeping from 12-4 in the am and then again in the pm. Maybe not exactly those hours, but you get the idea- up for dawn and dusk- and unlikely to miss much in terms of social activities. Of course, this could bomb out, much like my attempts to increase my carbohydrate intake.

So hardcore paleo requires a lifetime of learning, risk assessment (try not to do experiments that will eventually kill you, like veganism), and testing. Hopefully it also means a lot of improvement too.

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on July 16, 2012
at 05:42 AM

"hardcore" paleo can be found at "cavemanforum", i reckon...

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