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Is coffee consumption healthy?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 03, 2012 at 5:36 PM

From my understanding in the paleo world, people are beginning to understand that studies done on nutrition are incomplete in too many respects to base our lives on. It is at this same time that we look at traditional cultures with excellent health and attempt to base our diets of the mimicry of the same health promoting foods. So why have we allowed coffee into our diets, based mainly on the studies that show improved health in coffee drinkers compared to non, when no traditional healthy cultures relied on caffeine with such regularity and dose?

Also considering the withdrawal that people get from stopping it, doesn't it seem a bit too much like a drug...with serious side effects we're not yet aware of?

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on March 04, 2012
at 10:11 PM

A perfect example of a non scientific answer. No offense.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 04, 2012
at 08:57 PM

Yes, I recently read that some people "cold brew" coarsely ground beans overnight and it's supposed to taste great. Some day I'll probably try that out of sheer curiosity.

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on March 04, 2012
at 07:47 PM

Steven, there are very few food-based studies that are either able or willing to control to the level that you are asking for. It's just not practical with what amounts to a 'moving target' study pool. That's one reason that 99% of nutritional 'research' is bunk. It doesn't count if it's double-blind tested on some animal -- an animal isn't human... and it's virtually impossible to do long-term, controlled nutrition studies on healthy, normal humans in their own environment -- which is where these kinds of questions would -have- to be answered, because day-to-day life IS a confounding factor.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on March 04, 2012
at 06:06 AM

I think you are right. However, I see that people on this site are kind of food obsessed and health obsessed (and this is good for me since I am on a very strict diet and I am also sick). However, I do feel there is too much food obsession going on. I understand about health (if you don't feel good, you would do anything to get better) but food? I wish people would relax a little and forgot about omega 6 vs omega 3 and just enjoyed food for what it is - a tasty meal with good friends! :)

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on March 04, 2012
at 03:01 AM

Yet again, i doubt any of these studies have controlled for every other variable (i.e. not randomized control studies).

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on March 04, 2012
at 12:41 AM

And tea is....?

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on March 04, 2012
at 12:21 AM

There are plenty of things that traditional healthy cultures didn't do that are healthy.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on March 04, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Middle Ages...thats pretty Traditional...maybe not "Paleo", but hey now we're splitting hairs.

03bb06ced2ae02a265909342d4cf3e75

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on March 03, 2012
at 09:44 PM

YMMV is "your mileage may vary," which just means everyone is different. This whole discussion is making me want to do some more in-depth research on addiction. There's so many reasons to get addicted to things! I was addicted to snacking on crackers while cooking dinner right before I went strict paleo, and it was hell kicking that addiction. What makes us get addicted to certain things? And are all of us on this site just indulging hard-core addictions to diet hacking? Is everything we do an addiction?!?!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on March 03, 2012
at 09:26 PM

Nance, what is YMMV? I am addicted to one thing, but it is not a food item. I am addicted to watching Korean movies. I used to like coffee with cream so I know how you feel. But it was 99% cream (with sugar) and 1% coffee. So I was probably addicted to cream :)

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on March 03, 2012
at 09:09 PM

I started drinking coffee when my brother introduced me to the liquid CoffeeMate so I MAY have been addicted to that. I had to be off junk for a while before cream and honey became an acceptable substitute.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 03, 2012
at 09:06 PM

As always, YMMV. I never drank coffee until my late 40s (I drank Coke instead.) I stop every spring as it gets hot here in Nevada. I start up in the fall. We could have a friendly exchange about whether I am addicted and if so how much. :-))

03bb06ced2ae02a265909342d4cf3e75

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on March 03, 2012
at 08:29 PM

I agree with you in not comprehending at all how people get addicted to certain things, and I say that as someone who routinely gets addicted to things. I used to be a smoker when I was a teenager, and I remember always loving the smell of smoke because I had fun visits with my aunts a lot as a kid, and they were chain smokers. So it was tough to start smoking, but I stuck with it because I loved the idea of being a smoker. Then the physiological addiction kicked in, and I was hooked. It's probably the same with coffee/soda/tea-you like the idea of it first, then you get chemically addicted.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 03, 2012
at 07:02 PM

Consumption of both potatoes and coffee dates back to the Middle Ages. Again, I'm not claiming it's paleo or a health food. I'm saying I intend to continue drinking it.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on March 03, 2012
at 06:44 PM

So the actual roasting of a coffee bean begins when internal temp reaches 200 C. I don't know about you, but I eat potatoes because I know that when I boil them that's within the realm of traditional preparation. When a new food is introduced (i.e. coffee) I would expect the burden of proof, for the legitimacy of consumption, to be on the person introducing the food and saying it's agreeable with health. So far I've seen nothing supporting that--correlational studies don't count.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 03, 2012
at 06:26 PM

OK, edited again :P

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on March 03, 2012
at 06:05 PM

I think bad is more condescending....Illogical was a perfect tint for the question, based on the manner in which the question is unraveled--Paleo works to emulate healthy cultures, modern scientific evidence is insufficient, therefore why the breach of logic through coffee consumption.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on March 03, 2012
at 06:03 PM

I immediately assumed that this was a trolling effort, Melissa. Perhaps it wasn't.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 03, 2012
at 05:55 PM

edited to make less condescending.

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on March 03, 2012
at 05:50 PM

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 03, 2012
at 05:48 PM

Hi, lenny! I don't think I'm illogical about coffee. I don't claim it's paleo, but I also don't think there's a consensus that drinking a couple mugs every morning is bad for me. I practice what I call modern nutrition--using what we know about paleo nutrition and recent research to select whole foods that will provide the best overall nutrition.

I do know individuals vary in their reaction to coffee. I find it soothing rather than stimulating, which I've read can happen with "excitable" people. It doesn't make me jittery and unlike many kinds of tea I don't have negative reactions to it. I wake up fully alert and ready to go so I don't start drinking my coffee until I've been up an hour or so.

The only potential issue I've found is that I don't drink full-strength black coffee on days of zero-calorie fasting--I dilute it to half-strength. On days when I add cream and a little honey I am just fine with full-strength.

So, I categorize coffee as a positive way to start my day because it's great for my serenity. I did switch from liquid CoffeeMate to heavy cream/honey. I don't make "paleo" desserts, I don't eat excess fruit (any more) and I'm going out of my way to include fish in my meat rotation--and that's as far as I'm willing to go. I respect whatever choices you decide are best for you.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on March 03, 2012
at 06:44 PM

So the actual roasting of a coffee bean begins when internal temp reaches 200 C. I don't know about you, but I eat potatoes because I know that when I boil them that's within the realm of traditional preparation. When a new food is introduced (i.e. coffee) I would expect the burden of proof, for the legitimacy of consumption, to be on the person introducing the food and saying it's agreeable with health. So far I've seen nothing supporting that--correlational studies don't count.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 03, 2012
at 07:02 PM

Consumption of both potatoes and coffee dates back to the Middle Ages. Again, I'm not claiming it's paleo or a health food. I'm saying I intend to continue drinking it.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on March 04, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Middle Ages...thats pretty Traditional...maybe not "Paleo", but hey now we're splitting hairs.

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on March 04, 2012
at 12:37 AM

Is coffee healthy or unhealthy? Both.

Pros

  • Protection against cancer
  • Improved insulin sensitivity
  • Reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
  • Reduced risk of heart disease
  • Reduced risk of gout
  • Reduced risk of gallstone disease
  • Reduced oxidative stress
  • Reduced inflammation
  • Better oral health
  • Better mental health
  • Better liver health
  • Before high-intensity exercise = boost in performance

Cons

  • Reduces body's ability to metabolize calcium
  • Bad for bone health
  • Higher risk of osteoporosis
  • Higher risk of birth defects
  • Psychologically unhealthy if coffee is a need
  • More than 4-5 cups/day = higher risk of unhealthful side effects
  • Coffee drunk after 5pm = higher risk of impairing ability to sleep

By: http://primalmd.tumblr.com/post/6397186790/evidence-based-practice-coffee

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on March 04, 2012
at 03:01 AM

Yet again, i doubt any of these studies have controlled for every other variable (i.e. not randomized control studies).

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on March 04, 2012
at 07:47 PM

Steven, there are very few food-based studies that are either able or willing to control to the level that you are asking for. It's just not practical with what amounts to a 'moving target' study pool. That's one reason that 99% of nutritional 'research' is bunk. It doesn't count if it's double-blind tested on some animal -- an animal isn't human... and it's virtually impossible to do long-term, controlled nutrition studies on healthy, normal humans in their own environment -- which is where these kinds of questions would -have- to be answered, because day-to-day life IS a confounding factor.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on March 03, 2012
at 07:55 PM

I don't know the answer to your question but I have many questions about coffee. I know it is a stimulant and I know many tribes use natural stimulants. I also know it helps people with low blood pressure and a certain amount of coffee per day protects you from Alzheimer's.

What I do not understand - why do we need it? Japanese (Okinawan) or some mountain people don't drink coffee and their longevity is well known.

What is it in coffee that made it so popular?

I have stopped drinking coffee about ten years ago - it started to bother my stomach. Now when I smell coffee, it almost makes me vomit.

I stopped drinking tea about seven years ago. Did not like the taste. Tried everything - black ( I grew up drinking black tea), green, white, oolong, herbal. Stopped liking the taste for no apparent reason.

I also do not understand people drinking coke or pepsi or the most disgusting thing on this planet - Dr. Pepper. Honestly, the only time I would drink coke if somebody would point a gun to my head. As for Dr. P - I would not even drink it with a gun to my head.

I actually was asking people what they liked about drinking coke and they all say different things. But I still could not understand. Does it make me not normal somehow?

I have tried macha green tea today (after watching Dr. Wahl's video). OMG - SO TASTY!!!! I love it. The taste reminds me of ground parsley for some reason.

I think there is a biological reason for getting addicted to this stuff. Maybe it is just like addiction to sugar, but better and healthier somehow.

Forgive me my scattered thoughts, just thinking out loud.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 03, 2012
at 09:09 PM

I started drinking coffee when my brother introduced me to the liquid CoffeeMate so I MAY have been addicted to that. I had to be off junk for a while before cream and honey became an acceptable substitute.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 04, 2012
at 06:06 AM

I think you are right. However, I see that people on this site are kind of food obsessed and health obsessed (and this is good for me since I am on a very strict diet and I am also sick). However, I do feel there is too much food obsession going on. I understand about health (if you don't feel good, you would do anything to get better) but food? I wish people would relax a little and forgot about omega 6 vs omega 3 and just enjoyed food for what it is - a tasty meal with good friends! :)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 03, 2012
at 09:06 PM

As always, YMMV. I never drank coffee until my late 40s (I drank Coke instead.) I stop every spring as it gets hot here in Nevada. I start up in the fall. We could have a friendly exchange about whether I am addicted and if so how much. :-))

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 03, 2012
at 09:26 PM

Nance, what is YMMV? I am addicted to one thing, but it is not a food item. I am addicted to watching Korean movies. I used to like coffee with cream so I know how you feel. But it was 99% cream (with sugar) and 1% coffee. So I was probably addicted to cream :)

03bb06ced2ae02a265909342d4cf3e75

(793)

on March 03, 2012
at 08:29 PM

I agree with you in not comprehending at all how people get addicted to certain things, and I say that as someone who routinely gets addicted to things. I used to be a smoker when I was a teenager, and I remember always loving the smell of smoke because I had fun visits with my aunts a lot as a kid, and they were chain smokers. So it was tough to start smoking, but I stuck with it because I loved the idea of being a smoker. Then the physiological addiction kicked in, and I was hooked. It's probably the same with coffee/soda/tea-you like the idea of it first, then you get chemically addicted.

03bb06ced2ae02a265909342d4cf3e75

(793)

on March 03, 2012
at 09:44 PM

YMMV is "your mileage may vary," which just means everyone is different. This whole discussion is making me want to do some more in-depth research on addiction. There's so many reasons to get addicted to things! I was addicted to snacking on crackers while cooking dinner right before I went strict paleo, and it was hell kicking that addiction. What makes us get addicted to certain things? And are all of us on this site just indulging hard-core addictions to diet hacking? Is everything we do an addiction?!?!

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on March 04, 2012
at 07:55 PM

My companion visited the back country of Peru, up in the Andes a couple of years ago, as a visiting homeopath. She was surprised to discover that they -do- drink a beverage made from ground coffee beans. They drink it a bit differently. She said that they crack/coarse-grind the beans and let it steep overnight, instead of the fine-grind we use. They don't sweeten it or put cream in it or anything, although if someone is sick, they'll use the cream from alpaca milk to make a 'broth' to nourish them. shrugs

I figure that it's a plant food, and probably won't hurt me, provided I choose well-grown beans, grind it myself, and put stuff in it that I already know is good for me. (And if I avoid drinking a whole pot -- which I haven't done since my paramedic days!).

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 04, 2012
at 08:57 PM

Yes, I recently read that some people "cold brew" coarsely ground beans overnight and it's supposed to taste great. Some day I'll probably try that out of sheer curiosity.

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on August 19, 2013
at 09:19 PM

There is a ton of evidence out there that coffee is actually pretty good for us in appropriate amounts. Although, appropriate amounts can differ from one person to the next. There is plenty of evidence that coffee consumption reduces the risk of multiple chronic medical conditions. I wanted to find out if there were any other benefits to coffee, and came across some studies showing benefits for our intestinal bacteria, as well as reducing system inflammation and protecting us against fatty liver disease! So I wrote a post about it:

http://www.thebarefootgolfer.com/2013/02/14/coffee-is-it-part-of-a-healthy-lifestyle-or-not/

Keep in mind when looking a scientific evidence that coffee is bad for us that there is a big difference to isolated caffeine consumption and whole food caffeine consumption in things like coffee and dark chocolate.

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on August 19, 2013
at 09:05 PM

Personally I prefer the one and only healthy coffee known as Organo Gold which contains the highly sought after Ganoderma Lucideum.

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on November 27, 2012
at 08:02 PM

Organo gold is exteremely healthy and is good for you http://mycapturepage.com/cp23.php?id=470

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on March 04, 2012
at 06:05 PM

I think coffee can be OK for a lot of people. It may have benefits but one can get those same benefits from other sources such as a good night's sleep or spending time outside with the sun.

I think that if you are unable to go without coffee for a week without serious withdrawal symptoms then its causing more harm then good. If you can easily drink one cup today, go a week without it and then drink another cup and then go several days again without it without any problem then awesome. It's probably not doing any harm.

Coffee can be ok but it can and is harmful for most who drink it.

Just get some sleep!

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on March 04, 2012
at 10:11 PM

A perfect example of a non scientific answer. No offense.

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on March 04, 2012
at 12:23 AM

YES, the best thing about coffee is is aint tea. Coffee is paelo and tea is...you know what!

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at 12:41 AM

And tea is....?

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