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I think coffee is hurting me.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 18, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Maybe it's not the coffee but I have been drinking one to two medium sized mugs of it in the morning. Not too long after came the belly cramps, stressful thinking, nausea, trouble using the bathroom, etc... (about a week later)

Does it sound like it could it be from the coffee? And if so why would it happen now? I was drinking green tea in the mornings and there was no problem.

Why would it do this to me when I drink only one to two cups a day? I drink losts of water and am active as well.

Edit: I will add some history so that people understand more why I am confused.

I have been drinking coffee for over 20 years with no problem. I quit drinking coffee for about a month maybe two and started drinking green tea. Just this past week I started with coffee again and have had an reaction. My question is more: Why is it happening now when it didn't before? This just started.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

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on September 30, 2011
at 02:52 PM

Thank you, Senneth. In the last few days the coffee I've been drinking just didn't taste good. I got coffee nerves, but no pleasure. I'm going to lay off from coffee entirely for awhile. I see no point in chasing after that elusive pleasure. Perhaps I just need to reset my taste buds for now.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on September 29, 2011
at 04:53 PM

Uggla, the same thing happened to me when I gave up Gluten. I used to eat toast everyday for decades, then after giving it up -any tiny amount causes major issues.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on September 29, 2011
at 04:51 PM

I would add a third choice based on Doris's comments: Experiment with a variety of coffee's, preparations, and add in options.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2011
at 12:27 PM

Maybe even Arginine.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2011
at 12:23 PM

Cocoa also has it and I don't see that people limit their black chocolate here ...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2011
at 07:41 AM

There are number of papers with different conclusions, especially for habitual users consuming more then 3 cups a day. Also, coffeine is not the same as coffee. Furthermore , I find sentences like 'coffee is not paleo' really meaningless as strict paleo diet has no potent scientific basis.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 20, 2011
at 02:09 PM

Look at the disease cholera. It increases cAMP production and essentially has the same effects as caffeine (although a bit more extreme). The pathway is the same, but cholera increases cAMP production while caffeine in an antagonist which inhibits its breakdown. There are quite a few downstream effectors of cAMP, but its regulation is pretty important and if decoupled can leads to some issues.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 20, 2011
at 07:49 AM

Wow, you really have a chip on your shoulder.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on June 19, 2011
at 07:43 PM

@Kamal - I know, I'm so sorry I didn't due my due diligence, though I tried.

8e3782b68e033763485472f414f507a5

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on June 19, 2011
at 06:52 PM

Like what? No epidemiology please.

425aa4bfb79556ed50ea693c3edd7e13

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:36 PM

The message is: think first.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 19, 2011
at 02:38 PM

The enzyme effects second message signal transduction and can effect people badly based upon the health of their gut to begin with. If coffee bugs you Its a sign to work out the gut issues in my mind. Xanthins, caffeine, theobromine and thyroid hormone are phosphodiesterase inhibitors (enhance lipolysis as inhibition of phosphodiesterase enzyme and thus no decomposition of cAMP which activate kinase enzyme which phosphorylate hormone-sensitive lipase and activate lipolysis)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 19, 2011
at 02:34 PM

Caffeine blocks the enzyme phospodiesterase. I did not realize I missed a space. Sorry.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 19, 2011
at 02:29 PM

Coffee has a number of good benefits for people who tolerate it. I will confess. I am dependent on food and water, just like everyone else in the Western and Eastern world, except for those lucky breatharians.

75051260ff90bccec44d6a6bbba97fd1

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on June 19, 2011
at 05:01 AM

This is not a stupid question. Why would coffee all of the sudden hurt her and in such small amounts if she has been drinking it for years? I really think Xyz if you want to add somthing to the forum disrespectfulness should not be what your adding. Totally uncool dude.

75051260ff90bccec44d6a6bbba97fd1

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:38 AM

Yes that is what I was thinking Uggla. You cleaned out your body eating paleo maybe now it is more sensitive to coffee.

75051260ff90bccec44d6a6bbba97fd1

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:37 AM

This is not a stupid question. Why would coffee all of the sudden hurt her, and in such small amounts if she has been drinking it for years?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:11 AM

This is the kind of answer I was looking for. It would make sense that after I detoxed that now I would have a reaction.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:09 AM

Thanks Meg! Great link and info. Very helpful.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:07 AM

Thank you Carnivorous Carly! Very good info.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:03 AM

The reason why I wrote this and I should have made it more clear (my bad) is that I had been drinking coffee for over 20 years with no problem and now all the sudden it gives me a problem? Thats why I am confused.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:02 AM

The reason why I wrote this and I should have made it more clear (my bad) is that I had been drinking coffee for over 20 years with no problem and now all the sudden it gives me a problem? Thats why I am confised.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:00 AM

I guess I should have stated I had been drinking coffee for over 20 years and NEVER had this reaction before, ever! I stopped drinking it and replaced it with green tea for about a month. I tried going back about a week ago. Yes, it's not so nice to just shoot me down. What my question is why is it happening now?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 19, 2011
at 03:57 AM

I guess I should have stated I drak coffee for years and NEVER had this reaction before, ever! Yes, it's not so nice. What my question is why now?

7cf45aaa9478fcef7dd16914088ce480

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on June 19, 2011
at 03:29 AM

XYZ, you have a valid point, but why shut Uggla down like that? Don't hate the playa, hate the game, SON! She is asking for advice and was rejected. What message are you trying to send to her or (potential) future members of this community? Let's keep the paleo dialogue going and leave the editing to the moderators. Ryan Wilder Keepin' on

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on June 19, 2011
at 12:11 AM

Quilt- not that you have to answer any certain way, but even a little explanation of the link between phosphodiesterase inhibitors and Uggla's symptoms would be beneficial.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on June 18, 2011
at 11:59 PM

Kent- "Blockshosphodiesterase and is the reason it hurts"...come on now, how can this be any more clear?? Do some due diligence, my man :)

B1859f696e88d25460a6b8a333412ea3

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on June 18, 2011
at 11:46 PM

Typo, I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphodiesterase

425aa4bfb79556ed50ea693c3edd7e13

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on June 18, 2011
at 11:43 PM

Diagnosis here is of zero value and this seems like an obvious one to simply try out. It will take a few days, max.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 18, 2011
at 11:28 PM

Because maybe she thinks it could be something else.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on June 18, 2011
at 11:23 PM

Wtf is blockshosphodiesterase? Google found ZERO documents with that word. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's a typo...

425aa4bfb79556ed50ea693c3edd7e13

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on June 18, 2011
at 11:09 PM

why would you even ask this question? Just try a few days without coffee and see.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on June 18, 2011
at 09:33 PM

That's fascinating. I recently took most of the caffeine out of my diet because it upsets my tummy (I can't say no to chocolate, though!) and my anxiety levels plummeted. I'm going to look into that further. Thanks for the info! :)

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on June 18, 2011
at 07:48 PM

No no, that's not stupid at all, it basically means that alot of people who react to gluten will also react in a similar way to coffee so it absolutely could be causing your gut symptoms, as I said before the best way is to cut it out and see if your symptoms improve! Then you will know for sure.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 18, 2011
at 07:24 PM

I knew that caffine aggravates anxiety, but what about the nausea and stomach issues on such small amounts? Sorry if I sound stupid but what is a "cross reactor with gluten"? How does that work?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 18, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I knew that caffine aggravates anxiety, but what about the nausea and stomach issues? How can it happen on such small amounts? Sorry if I sould stupid but what is a "cross reactor with gluten"? How does that work?

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417ac0e162dc468b8ca61a574e5cd3c0

on June 18, 2011
at 07:54 PM

There are a many factors to consider, but from what you say it sounds as if coffee is having a negative effect on you. There are many studies re. caffeine over the years, of course. Here is one old study that shows that coffee can have an significant interfering (jacking up) effect on the neuro-endocrine response to stress. http://aa-alpha.ccn.duke.edu/adcock_website/pdf/publications/Lane-Psychosomatic-1990.pdf You really can not separate the digestive system from the neuro-endocrine system...they are so intimately intertwined, plus modern-day coffee's acidity is substantial...that alone might mess with your GI flora, et al. One can't dispute that caffeine, delivered via coffee from roasted/domesticated/modern-day/non-organic/super-potent-beans is certainly "not Paleo". I drink one-two cups per day (with honey and a spritz of 1/2&1/2) but I do this knowing that it is not something that is required for optimal health and is very-likely having a net negative health benefit.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 19, 2011
at 04:11 AM

This is the kind of answer I was looking for. It would make sense that after I detoxed that now I would have a reaction.

75051260ff90bccec44d6a6bbba97fd1

(80)

on June 19, 2011
at 04:38 AM

Yes that is what I was thinking Uggla. You cleaned out your body eating paleo maybe now it is more sensitive to coffee.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 29, 2011
at 07:41 AM

There are number of papers with different conclusions, especially for habitual users consuming more then 3 cups a day. Also, coffeine is not the same as coffee. Furthermore , I find sentences like 'coffee is not paleo' really meaningless as strict paleo diet has no potent scientific basis.

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on June 18, 2011
at 07:19 PM

Coffee is a common cross reactor with gluten. I would cut it out for a while to see if your symptoms improve, it's the only way you'll know for sure. Caffeine ABSOLUTELY aggravates anxiety by the way which is precisely why I stick to decaff most of the time.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 19, 2011
at 04:07 AM

Thank you Carnivorous Carly! Very good info.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on June 18, 2011
at 07:48 PM

No no, that's not stupid at all, it basically means that alot of people who react to gluten will also react in a similar way to coffee so it absolutely could be causing your gut symptoms, as I said before the best way is to cut it out and see if your symptoms improve! Then you will know for sure.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 18, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I knew that caffine aggravates anxiety, but what about the nausea and stomach issues? How can it happen on such small amounts? Sorry if I sould stupid but what is a "cross reactor with gluten"? How does that work?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 18, 2011
at 07:24 PM

I knew that caffine aggravates anxiety, but what about the nausea and stomach issues on such small amounts? Sorry if I sound stupid but what is a "cross reactor with gluten"? How does that work?

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on June 18, 2011
at 09:33 PM

That's fascinating. I recently took most of the caffeine out of my diet because it upsets my tummy (I can't say no to chocolate, though!) and my anxiety levels plummeted. I'm going to look into that further. Thanks for the info! :)

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 18, 2011
at 11:31 PM

Owl-friend, are you taking it alone or are you eating it with something? You could stop drinking for a few days, then start drinking a small amount with cream (or eating something else). If you don't see any problems then, increase the amount (always drinking it with food).

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 19, 2011
at 04:03 AM

The reason why I wrote this and I should have made it more clear (my bad) is that I had been drinking coffee for over 20 years with no problem and now all the sudden it gives me a problem? Thats why I am confused.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 19, 2011
at 04:02 AM

The reason why I wrote this and I should have made it more clear (my bad) is that I had been drinking coffee for over 20 years with no problem and now all the sudden it gives me a problem? Thats why I am confised.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on September 29, 2011
at 04:53 PM

Uggla, the same thing happened to me when I gave up Gluten. I used to eat toast everyday for decades, then after giving it up -any tiny amount causes major issues.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 18, 2011
at 10:42 PM

Yeah....coffee is a killer for many. Blockshosphodiesterase and is the reason it hurts

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on June 18, 2011
at 11:59 PM

Kent- "Blockshosphodiesterase and is the reason it hurts"...come on now, how can this be any more clear?? Do some due diligence, my man :)

B1859f696e88d25460a6b8a333412ea3

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on June 18, 2011
at 11:46 PM

Typo, I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphodiesterase

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on June 18, 2011
at 11:23 PM

Wtf is blockshosphodiesterase? Google found ZERO documents with that word. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's a typo...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 19, 2011
at 02:34 PM

Caffeine blocks the enzyme phospodiesterase. I did not realize I missed a space. Sorry.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 19, 2011
at 12:11 AM

Quilt- not that you have to answer any certain way, but even a little explanation of the link between phosphodiesterase inhibitors and Uggla's symptoms would be beneficial.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on June 19, 2011
at 07:43 PM

@Kamal - I know, I'm so sorry I didn't due my due diligence, though I tried.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 19, 2011
at 02:38 PM

The enzyme effects second message signal transduction and can effect people badly based upon the health of their gut to begin with. If coffee bugs you Its a sign to work out the gut issues in my mind. Xanthins, caffeine, theobromine and thyroid hormone are phosphodiesterase inhibitors (enhance lipolysis as inhibition of phosphodiesterase enzyme and thus no decomposition of cAMP which activate kinase enzyme which phosphorylate hormone-sensitive lipase and activate lipolysis)

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 20, 2011
at 02:09 PM

Look at the disease cholera. It increases cAMP production and essentially has the same effects as caffeine (although a bit more extreme). The pathway is the same, but cholera increases cAMP production while caffeine in an antagonist which inhibits its breakdown. There are quite a few downstream effectors of cAMP, but its regulation is pretty important and if decoupled can leads to some issues.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 29, 2011
at 12:23 PM

Cocoa also has it and I don't see that people limit their black chocolate here ...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 29, 2011
at 12:27 PM

Maybe even Arginine.

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66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

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on June 18, 2011
at 10:13 PM

Caffeine is prob the issue. After being paleo for a few months my sensitivity to caffeine became almost extreme. Can't drink coffee at all, some herbal teas are ok. I know many people who had the same experience after cleaning up their diet. Perhaps a clean, healthy body just does not need a stimulant like caffeine.

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Df37dee1b45f564770863d8a74016cbe

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on June 18, 2011
at 07:45 PM

This is a very current issue for me, as I have just given it up as of 3 weeks ago. I was addicted to my 2 cups of coffee each day. Even going GAPS/Paleo I didn't and would not give up my coffee. But irritability, nausea, and some other digestive problems made me realize it just might be the coffee. So very very grudgingly I finally made the decision to limit my coffee to a single cup only once a week, on Sunday mornings. After 1 week I felt SOOOO much better!

Uggla, I think it might be the amount of coffee plus the individual person's ability to tolerate it. I definitely read a lot about how the problem can be the coffee, not just the caffeine. You could try drinking only ONE cup each day, not two. Does that make a difference? Here's a thread that gave me some insight on my coffee habit. You might find it helpful too: http://paleohacks.com/questions/43985/how-much-coffee-is-too-much#axzz1PaneOThy

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 19, 2011
at 04:09 AM

Thanks Meg! Great link and info. Very helpful.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2011
at 07:52 AM

I doubt its about coffee. Since you switched to green tea it still contains coffeine, 1/5 of the dose AFAIK of typical coffee.

Coffee is diuretic, it can't promote constipation.

Its probably something else, given your coffee history.

You might want to see what happens when you drink a lot more coffee per day.

For instance, here they say:

Acute intake of coffee or beverages containing caffeine can increase blood pressure, heart minute volumes, and cardiac index, as well as activate the sympathetic nervous system in nonhabitual coffee drinkers. Interestingly, this is not observed in habitual coffee drinkers.

or here

Acutely, coffee and caffeine induced comparable increases in MSA and BP in nonhabitual coffee drinkers, whereas habitual coffee drinkers exhibited lack of BP increase despite MSA activation to coffee. Because decaffeinated coffee also increases BP and MSA in nonhabitual drinkers, ingredients other than caffeine must be responsible for cardiovascular activation.

but there are many more...

That said, there are indeed people who can't tolerate coffee, but that doesn't prove its harmful in general.

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on June 19, 2011
at 11:20 AM

I've had the exact same experience.

Drank coffee for years with no issue at all.

Gave it up then all of a sudden, MEGA anxiety and bathroom issues for even a small amount of caffeine.

I seriously feel like my heart is going to explode with palpitations. I have to look in the bathroom mirror and talk myself down.

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on November 28, 2012
at 05:50 PM

It maybe the brand of coffee...i drink organo gold 6 times a day and i have no issues http://mycapturepage.com/cp23.php?id=470

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on June 19, 2011
at 12:15 PM

For many years I have been a tea drinker, darjeeling, earl grey, irish breakfast etc. However, I would yearn for coffee, but every time I drank it I would suffer the symptoms described by Uggla. Oddly I seemed to tolerate coffee when travelling abroad. After a recent trip I just continued drinking coffee because it is a fine cream transporting system. I have one large mug of half coffee and half cream in the morning. It helps keep me "regular" like nothing else. Recently I tried some coffee from Sumatra that I used to enjoy. It caused all the bad symptoms that Uggla had. It was quite acidic. Now I'm back to drinking a less acidic coffee and all is well. Two choices: either quit the coffee and see if symptoms go away or continue and see if they go away.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on September 29, 2011
at 04:51 PM

I would add a third choice based on Doris's comments: Experiment with a variety of coffee's, preparations, and add in options.

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on September 30, 2011
at 02:52 PM

Thank you, Senneth. In the last few days the coffee I've been drinking just didn't taste good. I got coffee nerves, but no pleasure. I'm going to lay off from coffee entirely for awhile. I see no point in chasing after that elusive pleasure. Perhaps I just need to reset my taste buds for now.

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on June 19, 2011
at 11:40 AM

Perhaps another way of looking at it is, why do you feel you need caffeine in the mornings? Just because virtually everyone else in the western world is dependent on it doesn't mean you have to be.

8e3782b68e033763485472f414f507a5

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on June 19, 2011
at 06:52 PM

Like what? No epidemiology please.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 19, 2011
at 02:29 PM

Coffee has a number of good benefits for people who tolerate it. I will confess. I am dependent on food and water, just like everyone else in the Western and Eastern world, except for those lucky breatharians.

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