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COFFEE - Please don't take it away

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Created July 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Hello All - I am a newbie, and would really love to make this Paleo thing work for I have already started feeling better and am inspired. With that I struggle with beverages.... I love my morning coffee, and sadly with my flavored creamer.. suggestions? Also, where do we all stand on alcohol?

81348acb7b886e2b32ca915d250268f3

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on July 18, 2012
at 08:17 PM

Well thats what I aim for, doesn't always go that well :)

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on July 18, 2012
at 02:14 PM

Only every second saturday night? Hmm. Coming from a non drinker, that sounds quite restrictive. but to each his/her own.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 18, 2012
at 02:13 PM

Drink your morning coffee, and maybe experiment with getting rid of the flavored creamer for some heavy cream. Its all the chemicals in the flavored creamer that makes it bad. Read the ingredient list. BUT....if thats your only cheat, then do it and enjoy it. Not evverything has to be paleo. You will see benefits from getting rid of other stuff.

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on July 18, 2012
at 01:06 PM

Yes! Bulletproof coffee...breakfast of champions. Well, at least breakfast of me.

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on July 18, 2012
at 01:03 PM

@Neal: Read the ingredient list on almond milk. The commercial ones I have found have a bunch of funky ingredients. You can make your own, but full-fat, canned (BPA free) coconut milk is divine in coffee. Just make sure you read the labels!!!

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:57 PM

Coffee is fine. Use heavy cream or coconut milk. Or try the bulletproof (butter and coconut oil and a blender). Alcohol is okay on a limited basis, but it depends on you and your goals.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:26 PM

Of course, even if we do have decent, whole food type sweetners, with other benefits or nutrients, its still moderation. Moderating sweet is hard for me still! Thankfully my urge for sweet is slowly dying, and my tastebuds are becoming more sensitive.

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:23 PM

I use glucose, which hey, is far from a whole food, but if I didnt have such digestive issues, id probably use whole unrefined dried sugar cane or more likely honey *shrugs* At least honey especially if its raw and comes from areas with the right plants has quite a few health benefits that arent just hype.

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:21 PM

Most sweetners are rougly similar to table sugar, apart from trace nutrients (50% ish glucose, 50% ish fructose). Honey has the slight added advantage of insulin like chemicals. HFCS and surprisingly even more so agave nectar are high fructose. Agave nectar is generally not made my some traditional method, thats marketing. Thats what I found in my research, basically, apart from HFCS and agave which ave higher fructose, sugar is still sugar, more or less.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:09 PM

Yeah agave is high in fructose: http://www.westonaprice.org/modern-foods/agave-nectar-worse-than-we-thought

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Exactly! Coffee beans are the seeds of the coffee tree fruit that have been roasted, so it's not a legume or grain. And, having originated in Ethiopia, it's not a New World plant species. What's not paleo about a fruit from Africa? As for the flavored creamer, that stuff is industrial, nasty-ass crap.

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:04 PM

You might want to search for bulletproof coffee :-)

81348acb7b886e2b32ca915d250268f3

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on July 18, 2012
at 11:49 AM

I've actually been told agave syrup isn't a bad alternative to sugar, but I haven't researched it enough to give an opinion. Stevia is quite a good alternative that I can vouch for. It does have a bit of a funny after taste, but it can work in some cases.

91f5be33a7ec9f59a5c528af3c75175d

on July 18, 2012
at 11:25 AM

I think that is a great way eat paleo with some additions ;)

91f5be33a7ec9f59a5c528af3c75175d

on July 18, 2012
at 11:24 AM

Ooo no thanks for the agave syrup heads up @jaime I'll defiantly have a read later about alternatives, it was just the first thing I thought of to sweeten coffee, what about almond milk or coconut milk for the cream aspect? But make sure no added crap in both :)

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on July 18, 2012
at 10:58 AM

I've started drinking my coffee black.

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on July 18, 2012
at 10:56 AM

agave syrup? Isnt that really high in fructose? I dont mean to judge, each to their own, but from my research into natural sugar alternatives, there should be some better options than agave syrup. (Like honey, or even some of the other syrups). Honey has insulin like comounds in it, as well as nutrients and phytochemicals. Just a thought, might be something to look into if your interested..

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on July 18, 2012
at 10:47 AM

Alcohol (even tequila) is essentially hyper-refined sugar, so there's nothing good about it :)

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Cf416725f639ffd1bb90764792ce7b8a

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on July 18, 2012
at 11:14 AM

Coffee good. Flavored cream bad.

Try some heavy cream, or look up bulletproof coffee (the concept, not the overpriced stuff for sale on the web).

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on July 18, 2012
at 01:06 PM

Yes! Bulletproof coffee...breakfast of champions. Well, at least breakfast of me.

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on July 18, 2012
at 11:50 AM

I've never understood why people claim coffee isn't paleo. There is evidence of Homo ergaster grinding herbs and steeping them in water -- That was over a million years ago. And more then that there is no scientific evidence that coffee causes any significant changes to insulin response. I believe that Coffee is fine. I would suggest replacing your flavored creamer with organic cream for a week, and then try without cream for a week. Once you get the taste for black coffee, you will realize that it's quite good on its own.

As for alcohol. All of the science shows us that alcohol should not be a significant part of your diet (no matter how you eat). Yes red wine has some good stuff in it, but nothing that you need or cannot get other ways. Alcohol is the first thing your body metabolizes, so if it's in your system you body will burn that before anything else. So no alcohol should be consumed as part of weight loss. If you are in maintenance, and you do not have problems limiting your consumption, then it's up to you. A few drinks a week are not going to damage you.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Exactly! Coffee beans are the seeds of the coffee tree fruit that have been roasted, so it's not a legume or grain. And, having originated in Ethiopia, it's not a New World plant species. What's not paleo about a fruit from Africa? As for the flavored creamer, that stuff is industrial, nasty-ass crap.

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81348acb7b886e2b32ca915d250268f3

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on July 18, 2012
at 10:44 AM

While coffee wouldn't be paleo, strictly speaking, I don't see a problem with it in moderation (under 3 cups a day some say is pretty much fine). While it doesn't provide any macro-nutritional benefit, it does contain a lot of antioxidants. I personally love coffee, and I'll take any reason to drink it, in fact even if it was considered harmful I wouldn't give it up, I'd probably just cut it back a bit. I think you can afford a few cheap foods, as long as you are doing well with getting plenty of the healthy stuff your body actually needs.
I enjoy my coffee with raw, unpasteurised/unhomogenised milk (which is also quite un-paleo, but I love it and milk has it's benefits as well) and a half teaspoon of rapidura (raw, ground sugar cane).

Alcohol should generally be avoided, but if you take all the fun out of life, whats the point, just drink responsibly, I think as long as you make strict rules for yourself, like only drink every second Saturday night, you'll be fine.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 18, 2012
at 02:14 PM

Only every second saturday night? Hmm. Coming from a non drinker, that sounds quite restrictive. but to each his/her own.

81348acb7b886e2b32ca915d250268f3

(1022)

on July 18, 2012
at 08:17 PM

Well thats what I aim for, doesn't always go that well :)

91f5be33a7ec9f59a5c528af3c75175d

on July 18, 2012
at 11:25 AM

I think that is a great way eat paleo with some additions ;)

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on July 18, 2012
at 11:52 AM

Check out bulletproofexec.com. The author of the site has a slightly modified version of paleo with coffee (and more specifically "bullet proof coffee") as a staple beverage in diet. A buddy of mine follows the bulletproof protocol and says that it treats him quite well!

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 18, 2012
at 10:50 AM

Neither of those are paleo (coffee or booze), but lots of people make exceptions for both.

Clear spirits are "more paleo", as far as alcohol is concerned, because theres less extra toxic, or unusual stuff in there. Purer = better, plus theres basically no sugar involved with drinking straight spirits.

Many paleo folks take their coffee black, unsweetened, or with coconut cream if they are no-dairy, or if they still do dairy, heavy cream or raw milk. I think perhaps the extra fat makes up for the lack of sugar :P

U could add some vanilla, or cinnamon, if u want some extra flavour. Spicing/herbing is an essential part of paleo food flavours IMO (though the foods taste great without spices, it just adds variety)

I personally do neither now. I do drink tea and herbal teas.

Dairy itself is a little complex, its not "paleo", but dairy is the most common exception, but like the first two, generally with certain limits.

Alot of folks (like myself) stick to fermented dairy, because its got less lactose etc (like aged cheese, kefir, greak full fat yogurt etc). Others use heavy cream, and raw milks etc. I beleive heavy cream maybe also has less lactose.

Dairy, even though its got some dodgies like casien, lactose, galactose, its also nutritionally alot like meat and paleo foods in other ways (fats and proteins and good nutrients). It depends alot on how it personally effects you.

The best way to decide whether your own position on dairy is to have a read of the materials about it, maybe trial going without it for a little bit if u want, and then make your own call.

Its worth mentioning that cheese (if u do dairy) and nuts are calorie dense and very palatable, and thus they are two foods u can get carried away with on paleo.

If u decide to include some specific forms of dairy, and even if u dont, moderation from the get go with these two, nuts and cheese (and perhaps fruit, especially high sugar fruit, some people seem to go nuts on that too) is advised.

Whatever you decide with dairy, if you have it, make it full fat ..

Basically if you make any exceptions for the above things, simply be selective about how you do that, and try and inform yourself whats in those things.

And also try to remember all the yummy things you now do get to eat more of, and less the things u may want to moderate or consider. If you can get yourself drooling over some paleo meal combinations, it will make the stuff your limiting alot easier.

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91f5be33a7ec9f59a5c528af3c75175d

on July 18, 2012
at 10:44 AM

I stay with coffee myself I know some are against it but I love it, just black tho with stevia or agave syrup. I try to get organic but if not I don't kill myself over it. I don't drink and I have not for 2.5 years and I'm 21. I hear tequila is ok but not to sure.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 18, 2012
at 12:09 PM

Yeah agave is high in fructose: http://www.westonaprice.org/modern-foods/agave-nectar-worse-than-we-thought

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 18, 2012
at 12:21 PM

Most sweetners are rougly similar to table sugar, apart from trace nutrients (50% ish glucose, 50% ish fructose). Honey has the slight added advantage of insulin like chemicals. HFCS and surprisingly even more so agave nectar are high fructose. Agave nectar is generally not made my some traditional method, thats marketing. Thats what I found in my research, basically, apart from HFCS and agave which ave higher fructose, sugar is still sugar, more or less.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 18, 2012
at 12:23 PM

I use glucose, which hey, is far from a whole food, but if I didnt have such digestive issues, id probably use whole unrefined dried sugar cane or more likely honey *shrugs* At least honey especially if its raw and comes from areas with the right plants has quite a few health benefits that arent just hype.

81348acb7b886e2b32ca915d250268f3

(1022)

on July 18, 2012
at 10:47 AM

Alcohol (even tequila) is essentially hyper-refined sugar, so there's nothing good about it :)

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on July 18, 2012
at 10:58 AM

I've started drinking my coffee black.

81348acb7b886e2b32ca915d250268f3

(1022)

on July 18, 2012
at 11:49 AM

I've actually been told agave syrup isn't a bad alternative to sugar, but I haven't researched it enough to give an opinion. Stevia is quite a good alternative that I can vouch for. It does have a bit of a funny after taste, but it can work in some cases.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on July 18, 2012
at 01:03 PM

@Neal: Read the ingredient list on almond milk. The commercial ones I have found have a bunch of funky ingredients. You can make your own, but full-fat, canned (BPA free) coconut milk is divine in coffee. Just make sure you read the labels!!!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 18, 2012
at 12:26 PM

Of course, even if we do have decent, whole food type sweetners, with other benefits or nutrients, its still moderation. Moderating sweet is hard for me still! Thankfully my urge for sweet is slowly dying, and my tastebuds are becoming more sensitive.

91f5be33a7ec9f59a5c528af3c75175d

on July 18, 2012
at 11:24 AM

Ooo no thanks for the agave syrup heads up @jaime I'll defiantly have a read later about alternatives, it was just the first thing I thought of to sweeten coffee, what about almond milk or coconut milk for the cream aspect? But make sure no added crap in both :)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 18, 2012
at 10:56 AM

agave syrup? Isnt that really high in fructose? I dont mean to judge, each to their own, but from my research into natural sugar alternatives, there should be some better options than agave syrup. (Like honey, or even some of the other syrups). Honey has insulin like comounds in it, as well as nutrients and phytochemicals. Just a thought, might be something to look into if your interested..

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on November 27, 2012
at 07:28 PM

ditch it all and use organo gold...very healthy http://mycapturepage.com/cp23.php?id=470

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