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Transdermal vitamins (cod liver oil) and keratosis pilaris

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 30, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Does anyone know if cod liver oil can be absorbed transdermally? My toddler has recently gone on a strong tasting food strike and he's getting the tell take keratosis pilaris bumps that plagued me Most of my life (until I discovered ascerola powder and fermented cod liver oil.)

Anyway, he didn't have this issue when he was taking it so I'm looking for an alternate solution. A few blogs and autism forums claims these oils and vitamins can be taken transdermally but I don't want to use that expensive stuff on his rear if it's just going to go to waste. Any insight? How about vitamin C? Is there a transdermal solution for that? He won't do th acerola tablets and he hates candy so the synthetic C gummies are out too. I'm still nursing him but even with my WAPF recommended doses for pregnant nursing mothers I'm not seeing a result. I know if I forget to take it for just a couple days the bumps start coming back so I'm probably just constantly Chasing after a deficiency. Thoughts? Insight?

(Edit) I guess my final question, then, is whether Vitamin A can be absorbed transdermally? Anyone know?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on October 17, 2012
at 03:42 PM

Thanks! He's not in preschool so If he's just hanging around the house, I don't care. :-D

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on September 18, 2012
at 08:59 AM

He throws meat balls on the floor... lol. he'll only eat ground beef if it's mixed with rice and veggies like a stir fry. That's how I normally get liver in him. I think it's a texture thing.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on August 31, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Glither, what was harsh? The fact that I pointed out that all three of his statements are incorrect or that I pity his patients?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on August 31, 2012
at 02:56 PM

Mine won't eat liver outright, so I mix it in with the ground beef when making meatballs or sliders. It's also how I get it into my hubby. Shhhhh...he'd throw a fit if he knew! =)

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on August 31, 2012
at 02:16 PM

Will your toddler eat any of the foods or does he have the same issues converting beta carotene?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on August 31, 2012
at 01:27 PM

I'm a poor vitamin A converter so beta carotene sorces don't work for me. Otherwise I'd be living it up with some carrots and sweet potatoes! Only the animal sources on that list work. and they dot seem to pack the punch that the fclo does. I wish it didn't taste so strong... I'd hide it in food otherwise.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on August 31, 2012
at 01:25 PM

@math he will sometimes eat some ground liver in white rice with ground beef but not every day. He only willingly eats it maybe once a week and at that, a few bites.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on August 31, 2012
at 01:24 PM

Hmmm my doc (who's strongly WAPF/naturopathic in practice) at my last checkup said my thyroid had improved tremendously since my first postnatal blood work. He didn't do a full panel, though. I've had the KP since I was preadolescent, though. It responds so dramatically to the cod liver oil. After I move and get settled I'll request a full thyroid panel, it's a good suggestion. Could a 20 month old have a whacked out thyroid already???

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on August 31, 2012
at 01:20 PM

(The fact that some vitamins get absorbed transdermally... I still haven found Anything on vitamin A. Haha)

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on August 31, 2012
at 01:19 PM

The WHO suggests nursing for at LEAST 2 years and even the lame-ass aap suggests no limit on nursing as long as it's mutually beneficial. Patrick requires anyone who claims to be a doctor on this site to prove it if they refer to their "credentials" in their answers, FYI. Vitamin D, already know absorbs through the skin. So does magnesium (on fact magnesium absorbs better transdermally than orally.) my actual question is if the vitamin A and k get absorbed. This is all easily looked up in any medical database or hell... Google scholar.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on August 31, 2012
at 01:13 PM

Lol. He's 20 months old... The WHO says he should be nursing for At LEAST 24. Who the heck are you? I thought accounts with "Doctor" in the name had to substantiate their MD claims on paleohacks. Flagged!

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on August 31, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Hahaha that's where I found the suggestion. I was just coming here to see if anyone could substantiate it. :-)

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on August 31, 2012
at 06:54 AM

There are terrific free, university level courses given free online on lots of subject. I started a fundamentals of pharmacology class https://www.coursera.org/#course/pharm101. They definitiely listed taking medication transdermally along with other, more common methods of taking drugs.

E3474e4efbcc6c1deab28e268ad6eb01

(341)

on August 31, 2012
at 06:39 AM

"Vitamins will not be absorbed or processed transdermally." This is absolutely ridiculous. Can you provide a source for this statement? A 30 second google search might have been a good idea...

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on August 31, 2012
at 06:32 AM

@mathgirl, while I agree with you that there is no reason nursing needs to be phased out at 12 - 15 months, I think your comment to MusclesGlasses' was a bit harsh. I have sadly heard sooo much worse from medical professionals, my favorite being, "the jury is still out on whether breastfeeding is better for babies" from a very high level nurse deciding policy. I'd like to have a doctor who reads Paleo Hacks.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on August 30, 2012
at 11:16 PM

There also appear to be transdermal vit C patches on the market.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on August 30, 2012
at 11:08 PM

I know cod liver oil has a strong flavor, but is there anything little bit will eat that has a stronger flavor that it could be mixed with? Will he eat fish or offal? I feel for you...my youngest is still a picky eater at 8.

Ffff513ac686cd18c840ee12c79357ed

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on August 30, 2012
at 10:01 PM

I'm up for a laugh, Dr. Glasses. Please tell us why nursing should be phased out after 12-15 months?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:58 PM

I pity your patients if you think that a toddler nursing should be "phased out." What kind of doctor are you?

66aa2c18606c628985a78c3e70092684

on August 30, 2012
at 09:57 PM

I would provide the reasons that breastfeeding should start to be phased out after 12-15m, but if you went to nearly 4yo my text would fall upon deaf ears (or eyes as it were)

66aa2c18606c628985a78c3e70092684

on August 30, 2012
at 09:55 PM

I'll let my patients know that, thanks MathFirl

Ffff513ac686cd18c840ee12c79357ed

(1183)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:53 PM

100% agreed. My son nursed until he was nearly 4 and it was him who led the "phase out".

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:51 PM

As long as mom is producing a healthy supply and toddler is interested, there are zero reasons to phase out nursing.

Ffff513ac686cd18c840ee12c79357ed

(1183)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:49 PM

Why phase out the nursing?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:48 PM

Wow...this is wrong on so many counts.

32123f4f25bdf6a7b70c9c2a719386ed

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on August 30, 2012
at 09:35 PM

How is your thyroid? I had those bumps forever until I was put on thyroid medication. I'm not suggesting that you need thyroid, but maybe some thyroid support would be in line. Thyroid problem frequently rear their ugly head after giving birth. It seemed that when my thyroid levels were low I couldn't use the vitamin A in my diet.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:21 PM

Few weeks = about 6 weeks

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on August 30, 2012
at 09:19 PM

Already tried taking it out for A few weeks. Even stopped myself to make sure it wasnt in my breastmilk. He eats more than yogurt. I was just using hyperbole to complain about toddler pickiness. That's not it.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on October 16, 2012
at 01:52 PM

I know vitamin D and K2 can get in through the skin, so it ought to have at least a partially good effect. I don't know about A. You might go check with the Peatarians on this one.

In order for it to absorb well, it needs to be put on areas where there's a lot of blood flow. I put K2 drops on my wrists. I suspect you could get some band aid that your toddler likes, put some cod liver oil on the band aid, and then let him run around with a band aid on his wrist until he gets tired of his hand smelling like rotten fish. Ankles or part of the foot might work- maybe the added layers of shoes and socks could help keep the smell contained.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on October 17, 2012
at 03:42 PM

Thanks! He's not in preschool so If he's just hanging around the house, I don't care. :-D

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on April 23, 2013
at 10:57 AM

Hi (sorry english is not my native thounge) My first studies in transcutan A-vitamin was in 1970 behind the ear (only one side of a Child whir ear infections) it worked only in that side, The morther was lacking A-vitamine Symptoms: 1) cold feet, 2)dry shinbone, 3) easy bruising, 4) constipation and 5) night blindness so the child was also i A-vitami deficiency. Ever since then i have used livertran in clinique on app 2.500 ear children especially from the skin side, since the children cant gargle and make the livertran stay as long as possible in the mouth. As i thought my pupils in my London sessions for Aromantics 1998-2005, A.vitamin & other fat solluble Vitamins can be delivered through the skin This goes not for the artificially Vitamins in the same quantity. If you want a skin thats alive please apply living food,only edible material avoid estrogenance Se also professor samuel Epsteins home page. He beat elylilly in their artificial estrogens Hope it works.. 23/4 2013 erling urt DK PS i dont know when you wrote since there are no date in your q:

se also some hints.. Traber MG: "Penetration tocopherol, tocotrienols applied on skin". Lipids 33 (1): 87???91.jan 1998 Rona C: The cosmetic treatment of wrinkles". J. Cosmetic Dermatology 3 (1): 26???34. (January 2004). Blank, I. H. and Scheuplein, R.J., Transport into and within the skin, Br. J. Dermatol. 81,4., 1969. Ikeda S Selective uptake Tocotrienols Dep.Nut. J Nutr Sci Vitam. Jun;46(3):141-3. 2000 Bos, J.D. & Meinardi, M.M. The 500 dalton rule for the skin penetration of chemical compounds and drugs. Exp. Dermatol. 9, 165???169 (2000). Williams, A.C. & Barry, B.W. Skin absorption enhancers. Crit. Rev. Ther. Drug Carrier Syst. 9, 305???353 (1992). Funke, A.P. et al. Transdermal delivery of highly lipophilic drugs: in vitro fluxes of antiestrogens, permeation enhancers and solvents from liquid formulations. Pharm. Res. 19, 661???668 (2002). Mitragotri, S. Modeling skin permeability to hydrophilic and hydrophobic solutes based on four permeation pathways. J. Control. Release 86, 69???92 (2003).

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on August 31, 2012
at 06:47 AM

Check out this post in the Healthy Home Economist on the topic http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/how-to-get-your-child-to-take-cod-liver-oil/

No scientific evidence there but still possibly helpful.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on August 31, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Hahaha that's where I found the suggestion. I was just coming here to see if anyone could substantiate it. :-)

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61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on August 30, 2012
at 11:15 PM

The vit D in cod liver oil can be absorbed transdermally, but I can't find anything about vit A transdermally. However, I did find this list of foods rich in A:

liver
sweet potatos
carrots
mangoes
spinach
cantaloupe
dried apricots
milk
egg yolks
mozzarella cheese 

Will little bit eat any of these foods?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 31, 2012
at 02:16 PM

Will your toddler eat any of the foods or does he have the same issues converting beta carotene?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 30, 2012
at 11:16 PM

There also appear to be transdermal vit C patches on the market.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on August 31, 2012
at 01:27 PM

I'm a poor vitamin A converter so beta carotene sorces don't work for me. Otherwise I'd be living it up with some carrots and sweet potatoes! Only the animal sources on that list work. and they dot seem to pack the punch that the fclo does. I wish it didn't taste so strong... I'd hide it in food otherwise.

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Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

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on August 30, 2012
at 10:07 PM

Taking the cod liver oil normally everyday should probably get rid of the rash in a few weeks. Might be able to absorb through the skin too. Try both.

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E7e57f3e3a156df4072ca85d463f8ed3

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on August 30, 2012
at 09:08 PM

Maybe it is the yogurt/dairy causing his keratosis pilaris

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:19 PM

Already tried taking it out for A few weeks. Even stopped myself to make sure it wasnt in my breastmilk. He eats more than yogurt. I was just using hyperbole to complain about toddler pickiness. That's not it.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:21 PM

Few weeks = about 6 weeks

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66aa2c18606c628985a78c3e70092684

on August 30, 2012
at 09:32 PM

Vitamins will not be absorbed or processed transdermally. The good thing about toddlers is once their body feel deficient in one thing or another, they will start eating. The nursing should probably be phased out soon as well.

66aa2c18606c628985a78c3e70092684

on August 30, 2012
at 09:57 PM

I would provide the reasons that breastfeeding should start to be phased out after 12-15m, but if you went to nearly 4yo my text would fall upon deaf ears (or eyes as it were)

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:51 PM

As long as mom is producing a healthy supply and toddler is interested, there are zero reasons to phase out nursing.

66aa2c18606c628985a78c3e70092684

on August 30, 2012
at 09:55 PM

I'll let my patients know that, thanks MathFirl

Ffff513ac686cd18c840ee12c79357ed

(1183)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:49 PM

Why phase out the nursing?

Ffff513ac686cd18c840ee12c79357ed

(1183)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:53 PM

100% agreed. My son nursed until he was nearly 4 and it was him who led the "phase out".

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:48 PM

Wow...this is wrong on so many counts.

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(3024)

on August 31, 2012
at 06:32 AM

@mathgirl, while I agree with you that there is no reason nursing needs to be phased out at 12 - 15 months, I think your comment to MusclesGlasses' was a bit harsh. I have sadly heard sooo much worse from medical professionals, my favorite being, "the jury is still out on whether breastfeeding is better for babies" from a very high level nurse deciding policy. I'd like to have a doctor who reads Paleo Hacks.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on August 31, 2012
at 01:13 PM

Lol. He's 20 months old... The WHO says he should be nursing for At LEAST 24. Who the heck are you? I thought accounts with "Doctor" in the name had to substantiate their MD claims on paleohacks. Flagged!

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 30, 2012
at 09:58 PM

I pity your patients if you think that a toddler nursing should be "phased out." What kind of doctor are you?

Ffff513ac686cd18c840ee12c79357ed

(1183)

on August 30, 2012
at 10:01 PM

I'm up for a laugh, Dr. Glasses. Please tell us why nursing should be phased out after 12-15 months?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on August 31, 2012
at 01:19 PM

The WHO suggests nursing for at LEAST 2 years and even the lame-ass aap suggests no limit on nursing as long as it's mutually beneficial. Patrick requires anyone who claims to be a doctor on this site to prove it if they refer to their "credentials" in their answers, FYI. Vitamin D, already know absorbs through the skin. So does magnesium (on fact magnesium absorbs better transdermally than orally.) my actual question is if the vitamin A and k get absorbed. This is all easily looked up in any medical database or hell... Google scholar.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 31, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Glither, what was harsh? The fact that I pointed out that all three of his statements are incorrect or that I pity his patients?

E3474e4efbcc6c1deab28e268ad6eb01

(341)

on August 31, 2012
at 06:39 AM

"Vitamins will not be absorbed or processed transdermally." This is absolutely ridiculous. Can you provide a source for this statement? A 30 second google search might have been a good idea...

Medium avatar

(3024)

on August 31, 2012
at 06:54 AM

There are terrific free, university level courses given free online on lots of subject. I started a fundamentals of pharmacology class https://www.coursera.org/#course/pharm101. They definitiely listed taking medication transdermally along with other, more common methods of taking drugs.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on August 31, 2012
at 01:20 PM

(The fact that some vitamins get absorbed transdermally... I still haven found Anything on vitamin A. Haha)

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